Independent Kurdistan...

[KAding]

I voted 'yes'. I think any people have a fundamental right of self-determination, so that includes the Kurds.

 

[Dawud_uk]

I WILL TELL YOU 1 THING:

KURDISTAN WILL NEVER EXIST!!!


TURKIYE! www.turkey.com !

TURKEY 4 EVER!!!


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The dream of Kurdistan will NEVER BE REALITY! DONT FORGET THIS!

I WILL FIGHT FOR TURKEY when i go to the turkish army!

assalaamu alaykum,

sentiments like the above will generate sympathy for an independent kurdistan but one set of evil secular nationalism as shown by some turks is not an excuse for another set of evil secular nationalism as shown by the kurds.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

 

[north_malaysian]

another set of evil secular nationalism as shown by the kurds.

how do you know that the kurds are evil secular nationalists?

 

[Dawud_uk]

how do you know that the kurds are evil secular nationalists?

Assalaamu Alaykum,

Look at their actions; they are as busy ethnically cleansing Arabs, Turkmen’s and others from what will probably be their state of Kurdistan in north Iraq as Saddam also did to them.

Not only that they are secularist to the core and that is evil as it is ruling by other than Allah has revealed which is a major act of disblief. There are two main parties in north Iraq, one communist, one socialist, both at almost at state of war with each other over the past decade and also vigorously trying to kill off practicing Muslims in fear they are members of the Islamic parties there such as Ansar Al Islam.

Assalaamu Alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

 

[Akil]

All I know is that the Kurds in Iraq have a functioning infrastructure, domestic police to suppress crime and an organized, trained and uniformed Armed Force to maintain their boarder. There is little violence and little terrorism. It is the Iraq that the United States originally set out to create, now to convince the Sunni and the Shia areas of Iraq to become similar >.<

 

[Count DeSheep]

Are you Kurd? How do you know they'll discriminate others

It's segregation. Segregation breeds intolerance and hatred. Not everyone will hate the Kurds and not all Kurds will hate everyone else, that much is obvious, but in giving them their own homeland, does that not promote discrimination? The creation of Israel was bad enough; it will be hard to fix that problem. Creating a similar problem will only make things worse.

 

[snakelegs]

i didn't vote because i don't know enough, but i think it could only be at the expense of a lot of bloodshed.
but the map rav posted is interesting - there is an isolated kurdish enclave off to the east (bordering turmenistan). wonder what the history is there?

 

[Grace Seeker]

All I know is that the Kurds in Iraq have a functioning infrastructure, domestic police to suppress crime and an organized, trained and uniformed Armed Force to maintain their boarder. There is little violence and little terrorism. It is the Iraq that the United States originally set out to create, now to convince the Sunni and the Shia areas of Iraq to become similar >.<

That is true in one area occupied by Kurds, not in all areas. If one checks out the Kurdish towns in eastern Turkey, one sees something completely different. One sees violence and destruction.

The Turks I know do not understand why the USA will support Israel against the PLO and Hammas, but not Turkey against the PKK. I agree with them. I think there is a double standard being used.



I am against the concept of an independent Kurdistan. And though I do believe that the PKK are terrorists, it has nothing to do with them.

The rationale that I see presented for a Kurdish homeland is that as ethnically different people from Turks they need their own country. Living in the USA, a country composed of people from many different ethnic backgrounds who for the most part are able to live amicably side-by-side with one another (even if not always in perfect harmony), I reject the idea that every ethnic group needs their own personal homeland. I think that there has been too much of that already in the world. If we set that as the standard, then we are going to have to carve every country up into tiny pieces. Just look at the map of Iran provided earlier in this thread, should we divide it into 10-12 different countries for each ethnic group? This makes no sense to me.

Rather, I think the opposite makes more sense. We need to be eliminating borders, not creating new ones.

 

[Count DeSheep]

We need to be eliminating borders, not creating new ones.

Wooh! You're awesome in the head! =D

 

[north_malaysian]

There are two main parties in north Iraq, one communist, one socialist

Kurdish Islamic political parties (source: wikipedia)

IRAQ(Seats won in Iraqi Council of Representatives)
1) Islamic Fayli Grouping in Iraq (0 seats)
2) Kurdistan Islamic Union (5 seats)
3) Islamic Kurdish Society (2 seats)

TURKEY
1) Turkish Hizbullah (illegalized)
2) Islamic Party of Kurdistan (illegalized)
3) Kurdish Islamic Movement (illegalized)

 

[Dawud_uk]

It's segregation. Segregation breeds intolerance and hatred. Not everyone will hate the Kurds and not all Kurds will hate everyone else, that much is obvious, but in giving them their own homeland, does that not promote discrimination? The creation of Israel was bad enough; it will be hard to fix that problem. Creating a similar problem will only make things worse.

absolutely true, the 3rd biggest group amongst the kurds is ansar al islam, now known as ansar al sunnah and is one of the biggest mujahadeen groups in iraq, open to all not just kurds.

Abu Abdullah

 

[Darkseid]

The only reason I don’t support an independent Kurdistan is because a war with Turkey would be a foregone conclusion and it would probably destroy everything the Kurds in Iraq have worked for.

I would seriously doubt that the Turkish government could seriously take on the Kurds by themselves. If the Turks go to war with the Kurds, then the Kurds could gain many allies that happen to severely hate the Turks, like the Greeks for instance.

sentiments like the above will generate sympathy for an independent kurdistan but one set of evil secular nationalism as shown by some turks is not an excuse for another set of evil secular nationalism as shown by the kurds.

I don't what you are talking about. Kurdistan is not an evil secular nationalist movement. Kurdistan is a movement to establish a state for a group of people that have always been under the oppression of another government.

Look at their actions; they are as busy ethnically cleansing Arabs, Turkmen’s and others from what will probably be their state of Kurdistan in north Iraq as Saddam also did to them.

You do know that Arabs occupy and own like twenty different countries. So it shouldn't be such a big deal.

And besides the President of Iraq, Jalal Talabani, said that the "Kurds are working on a plan to give Iraqi Turkmen autonomy in areas where they are a majority in the new constitution they're drafting for the Kurdistan Region of Iraq."

Not only that they are secularist to the core and that is evil as it is ruling by other than Allah has revealed which is a major act of disblief.

Oh can it, there are Kurdish muslims. So they believe in the words of Muhammad as much as you do.

There are two main parties in north Iraq, one communist, one socialist, both at almost at state of war with each other over the past decade and also vigorously trying to kill off practicing Muslims in fear they are members of the Islamic parties there such as Ansar Al Islam.

WRONG!

Communism is has never existed except in religious societies that placed no value to currency.

Socialism is actually pretty good for of government, since it allows society to take care of it self. Go to Sweden and learn just how good Socialism can be, especially for people that are trying to have a family.

It's segregation.

No segregation is when you have different facilities in the same society that are made for diverse groups of people. This is diverse societies that are made seperate of one another with diverse groups of people.

Segregation breeds intolerance and hatred.

Isn't taxing Jews and Christians a form of segregation?

Not everyone will hate the Kurds and not all Kurds will hate everyone else, that much is obvious, but in giving them their own homeland, does that not promote discrimination?

Well surely wouldn't the opposite encourage discrimination towards those that desire to no longer be oppressed by other people?

Do you honestly want the Kurds to be oppressed by Iraqi Arabs?

The creation of Israel was bad enough.

No it wasn't. The creation of Israel was an act that Allah allow to occur. And there is a reason why he allowed such a state to exist.

Think about it. If you are a muslim, a holy and sacred follower of Allah, then don't you think Allah would have sent a meteor to wipe out Israel? But did he? Why did he not come to protect you like he did to Noah or Moses?

Think about it. There is a reason to why things are progressing the way they are and you shouldn't act so quickly without considering the reality.

It will be hard to fix that problem. Creating a similar problem will only make things worse.

I'd like you to try and present actual evidence in your next argument.

The rationale that I see presented for a Kurdish homeland is that as ethnically different people from Turks they need their own country. Living in the USA, a country composed of people from many different ethnic backgrounds who for the most part are able to live amicably side-by-side with one another (even if not always in perfect harmony), I reject the idea that every ethnic group needs their own personal homeland.

The United States was constructed out of the independence of British Colonist from the Kingdom of Britain. Although it does have have a large variety of people (mainly because the original inhabitants were slaughtered in a frenzy out of intolerance and prejudism. But every ethnic group does deserve their own homeland or none of them deserve their own homeland.

Just look at the map of Iran provided earlier in this thread, should we divide it into 10-12 different countries for each ethnic group? This makes no sense to me.

There are 12 different ethnic groups in Iraq?

With Iran it is a little different.

The Arab people of Iran could easily join Iraq or Oman or some other Arab country.

The Baloch people could join Pakistan, since Balochs are a major ethnic group of Pakistan.

But since the Baloch's are an Iranian people, you could simply just add in the Baloch part of Pakistan into Iran, instead. The Talysh people are an Iranian people, so they could simply remain as a part of Iran. The Gileki people are an Iranian people, so they could simply remain as a part of Iran. The Qashqai are a Turkish people, so they could establish their own state. The Lur are an Iranian people, so they could simply remain as a part of Iran. The Azeris could join Azerbaijan. The Mazandarani are an Iranian people, so they could simply remain as a part of Iran.

As you can see it isn't the ethinic group policy that you are thinking about. It is the distinctively large ethnic variations of people that have nothing in common.

Rather, I think the opposite makes more sense. We need to be eliminating borders, not creating new ones.

True, but you are thinking too ahead of the current times. Humanity can never and will never get along with increasing establishment joint-unitary states.

Are you proposing a federation of Middle-Eastern States? If that's the case, it will not work either. In this current time, people in the Middle East can never get along with their difference, even if they follow the same prophet.

We already know this. So your idea is a likely to succeed as Communism.

absolutely true, the 3rd biggest group amongst the kurds is ansar al islam, now known as ansar al sunnah and is one of the biggest mujahadeen groups in iraq, open to all not just kurds.

The Kurds are anything except segregatists.

 

[Grace Seeker]

The Arab people of Iran could easily join Iraq or Oman or some other Arab country.

The Baloch people could join Pakistan, since Balochs are a major ethnic group of Pakistan.

But since the Baloch's are an Iranian people, you could simply just add in the Baloch part of Pakistan into Iran, instead. The Talysh people are an Iranian people, so they could simply remain as a part of Iran. The Gileki people are an Iranian people, so they could simply remain as a part of Iran. The Qashqai are a Turkish people, so they could establish their own state. The Lur are an Iranian people, so they could simply remain as a part of Iran. The Azeris could join Azerbaijan. The Mazandarani are an Iranian people, so they could simply remain as a part of Iran.

You can't do this in Iran alone, already we are talking about Iraq, Turkey, and Iran, plus all of their neighboring countries. Maybe Kurdistan should have been formed instead of the countries that were, but that is now history. I don't propose going back to correct it. Do it here with Kurdistan, and you will have to do it again, and again, and again until every ethnic group has their own homeland, and once done then different types of Kurds will want their own autonomous part of Kurdistand and the process will continue to repeat itself until everyone is a country unto themselves.

Yes, that is riduculous. And given that it is, let's stop the riduculousness where we are right now, before we create a Kurdistan.

 

[Mezier]

I voted Yes. Im a muslim. I was born in Iraq. Im a kurd (one of the few on this board).

I am in full support of Kurdistan run under Shariah law.
The main reason I support Kurdistan is for self-identity. Just recently in Northern Iraq (Kurdistan) schools were finally teaching students in the Kurdish language rather than Arabic (which is now the 2nd language taught). Over the past decades the Kurds in Iraq, Turkey, Iran and Syria have been assimilated. Im from Iraq, and even the Kurdish I speak today is riddled with arabic words. Just as the Kurds in Turkey use have Turkish words in their vocabulary. Its has become so bad that I can no longer understand a Kurd that has been raised in a different country.

A little note. I WOULD fight for my people. Not because I'm a Nationalist, but because I know that anyone who starts a war with the Kurds will only be doing it for their self-interest (ex: Turkey).

 

[north_malaysian]

I voted Yes. Im a muslim. I was born in Iraq. Im a kurd (one of the few on this board).

I am in full support of Kurdistan run under Shariah law.
The main reason I support Kurdistan is for self-identity. Just recently in Northern Iraq (Kurdistan) schools were finally teaching students in the Kurdish language rather than Arabic (which is now the 2nd language taught). Over the past decades the Kurds in Iraq, Turkey, Iran and Syria have been assimilated. Im from Iraq, and even the Kurdish I speak today is riddled with arabic words. Just as the Kurds in Turkey use have Turkish words in their vocabulary. Its has become so bad that I can no longer understand a Kurd that has been raised in a different country.

A little note. I WOULD fight for my people. Not because I'm a Nationalist, but because I know that anyone who starts a war with the Kurds will only be doing it for their self-interest (ex: Turkey).

wow.. i dont know that we have a kurd here....

As the poll shows : Out of 13 muslims vote, only 5 supported, and 3 abstained ..... can you convince the 5 who opposed, and 3 abstainances to believe that you deserved a nation?

I voted yes..... even I live far away from Mid-East...

 

[Count DeSheep]

Kurdistan is not an evil secular nationalist movement.

All nationalist movements are evil.

No segregation is when you have different facilities in the same society that are made for diverse groups of people. This is diverse societies that are made seperate of one another with diverse groups of people.

Main Entry: seg·re·ga·tion
Skipping all the boring stuff again...
And now, the definition taken from M-W.com:
The separation for special treatment or observation of individuals or items from a larger group.

Israel and Kurdistan are the same thing: Giant facilities of segregation.

Isn't taxing Jews and Christians a form of segregation?

Taxing? As in, income tax, estate tax, etc.?

Well surely wouldn't the opposite encourage discrimination towards those that desire to no longer be oppressed by other people?

Do you honestly want the Kurds to be oppressed by Iraqi Arabs?

No, I do not. I want there to be a society of understanding, where people of all kinds live together peacefully. As I said in my first post, if there is no other option, if there is much ignorance in the rest of the Middle East that the Kurds are totally oppressed, then yes, there should be an independent Kurdistan. But I believe that there are existing places that Kurds can go where they can live in peace and not be oppressed.

No it wasn't. The creation of Israel was an act that Allah allow to occur. And there is a reason why he allowed such a state to exist.

Think about it. If you are a muslim, a holy and sacred follower of Allah, then don't you think Allah would have sent a meteor to wipe out Israel? But did he? Why did he not come to protect you like he did to Noah or Moses?

Think about it. There is a reason to why things are progressing the way they are and you shouldn't act so quickly without considering the reality.

Genocide is an act that Allah allows to happen. The Tutsis, the Native Americans, the Jews, and so on. They were all mercilessly slaughtered. Just because it was happening didn't mean that Allah did not will it to be stopped. If it is truly Allah's will that something happens, then there will be absolutely no way to undo it. But there is a way to undo Israel. I'm not saying we should kill the Jews, so don't go jumping all over that, I'm saying that there should NOT be a Jewish state. There should not be a Kurdish state, or a Christian state, or whatever.

But every ethnic group does deserve their own homeland or none of them deserve their own homeland.

I'll answer that with your own words:

I'd like you to try and present actual evidence in your next argument.

 

[Count DeSheep]

I am in full support of Kurdistan run under Shariah law.
The main reason I support Kurdistan is for self-identity. Just recently in Northern Iraq (Kurdistan) schools were finally teaching students in the Kurdish language rather than Arabic (which is now the 2nd language taught). Over the past decades the Kurds in Iraq, Turkey, Iran and Syria have been assimilated. Im from Iraq, and even the Kurdish I speak today is riddled with arabic words. Just as the Kurds in Turkey use have Turkish words in their vocabulary. Its has become so bad that I can no longer understand a Kurd that has been raised in a different country.

Isn't it that way with EVERY group? My first language is English. And yet if a person that was born and raised in England talks to me, I can't understand them too well. Even within America, the English language differs from region to region. Just think of Germany, England, France, and all those other evil nations that invaded the rest of the world. German, English, and French are all spoken differently in every previously-occupied region of the world.

 

[Mezier]

Isn't it that way with EVERY group? My first language is English. And yet if a person that was born and raised in England talks to me, I can't understand them too well. Even within America, the English language differs from region to region. Just think of Germany, England, France, and all those other evil nations that invaded the rest of the world. German, English, and French are all spoken differently in every previously-occupied region of the world.

Now mix that in with cultural assimilation and poof...no more Kurds. Yes I do agree. This has happened a lot. But does that make it a good enough reason for it to happen again? Don't you think it is wrong? Just because 1000's of women have been raped before, is this valid justification to permit another women to be raped? Dont think so. The English tried to assimilate the Native Americans. Then they tried to assimilate the French Canadians during the early days of Canada. This was an immoral act.


[49:13] O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).


Yet it seems most of our NEIGHBOURS in the Middle East are doing exactly the opposite. And some people actually support it. :?

 

[Grace Seeker]

Now mix that in with cultural assimilation and poof...no more Kurds.

Why would the Kurds be anymore likely to disappear anymore than the Native American Indian? Certainly their land has been taken from them. Another form of government and language has become the dominant of the land they live in, and they are free to assimilate, many of them having chosen to do so. And yet, they still exist as a separate ethnic group within the larger culture. Many maintainin their old ways, not just in language and culture, but in their entire lifestyle. If this can happen living in the middle of a culture that seems to be taking over the whole world, why could Kurds living in Iraq, Turkey and other places still maintain their own identity? One does not need a country to maintain one's identity. Just look at the Jews. Though they have their "own" country today (and I don't choose to go back 60 years to debate whether that was a good or bad idea) they survived for 1900 years without a country, and despite the evil intentions of Hitler and Stalin, I am convinced would have continued to have survived even without the creation of a homeland.

Just because 1000's of women have been raped before, is this valid justification to permit another women to be raped?

No. But I do not understand how this applies to the topic being discussed. Are you suggesting that without a homeland that 1000s of Kurdish women will be raped? Are 1000s of Kurdish women being raped presently?

 

[Darkseid]

You can't do this in Iran alone, already we are talking about Iraq, Turkey, and Iran, plus all of their neighboring countries.

It isn't as much of a big deal as you think it is.

Maybe Kurdistan should have been formed instead of the countries that were, but that is now history.

Actually it isn't a matter of history, it is a matter of what god had told me.

I don't propose going back to correct it.

If we don't correct it, we'll all die in the future, because of it.

Do it here with Kurdistan, and you will have to do it again, and again, and again until every ethnic group has their own homeland, and once done then different types of Kurds will want their own autonomous part of Kurdistand and the process will continue to repeat itself until everyone is a country unto themselves.

You are being ridiculous. People just want to not be oppressed by other people. And why are you being so eager to demonize the Kurds? The Kurds are decendents of Noah, right? Like the Arabs right? They are your cousins, they have same ancestor as you. So stop treating them and everyone like vermin.

Yes, that is riduculous. And given that it is, let's stop the riduculousness where we are right now, before we create a Kurdistan.

Why don't you just stop being so racist about it?

Kurdistan will come to reality and there is nothing you can do to stop it.

Accept it and grow up.

The Kurds are not trying to take over the world. Individual clans are not trying to seperate into smaller clans.

You are paranoid to the max and need something to calm your nerves. Maybe reading a civil rights book might do you some good.

There is more harm in not allowing the Kurds to establish their independence than there is oppressing them against their will into a super Arab state that controls everything and everyone. Where the Arabic language is the language of the world, which is no more advance than Persian, English, Chinese, Spanish, Russian, and all those other simpleminded languages (expressed vaguely as though created by created, but in reality by man).

The same can be said if we had the Jews or Americans controlling the world, where you have Hebrew or English dominated how we should speak rather allowing ourselves to live in a society that we ourselves can live peacefully and harmonistically.

All nationalist movements are evil.

No they aren't. Expansionism is evil, Nationalism is not.

Main Entry: seg·re·ga·tion

You don't have to act paranoid. I already know you have no idea as to what pacificism and oppression are about.

Skipping all the boring stuff again...

Well there goes your evidence. Nice to know that was just so easily thrown out of the window.

And now, the definition taken from M-W.com:
The separation for special treatment or observation of individuals or items from a larger group.

And that's evil because?

Israel and Kurdistan are the same thing: Giant facilities of segregation.

Was Kurdistan founded by Jews or Muslims? Are there Kurdish muslims? Does it say in the Koran that segregation is evil?

Israel isn't evil. Zionism is evil, but Israel isn't. It was justifiable territorial adjustment made by the British Government which at the time owned almost the whole globe. They had the right since Allah gave them the globe to do what they want to the Arabs in that area. Otherwise, don't you think Allah would have done something about it? Unless he was angry enough at the Arabs to not care about them?

By the way, segregation does not involve the establishment of

No, I do not.

Then why do you encourage the opposite?

I want there to be a society of understanding, where people of all kinds live together peacefully.

And you think overcrowding a city with immigrants would make that city more peaceful? Or mixing a society with communist Chinese and anti-communsity Jordans would make that society everlasting?

I know you don't many harm. But aren't at the level we need to be to work towards a United Earth Republic or a United Middle East Republic or whatever.

As I said in my first post, if there is no other option, if there is much ignorance in the rest of the Middle East that the Kurds are totally oppressed, then yes, there should be an independent Kurdistan.

Well that is how it is throughout the entire middle-east and has been for over four thousand years. The Kurds were oppressed by virtually everyone, regardless if they were Arab, Turk, Sumerian, Babylonian, Assyrian, Persian, Iranian (most of which are Persians), Greek, Roman, Akkadian, British, or even Hittite. All they want is to no longer be oppressed and to have a small era of self-independence.

You see my idea is to have a two-hundred year time of self-independence where people could work out their own problems and then join into a Global Union that would then tolerate each other and live peacefully.

But I believe that there are existing places that Kurds can go where they can live in peace and not be oppressed.

Well they could go to Antartica, but they would all die from the freezing cold.

Genocide is an act that Allah allows to happen.

The great flood of Noah is a terrific contradiction of that.

Allah has in the past kill off entire civilizations or allow them to be killed off, which is basically the same thing. But the reason why doesn't is because of a greater good that he represents that is bounded to the survival of the human species. That is something you have to understand if you really want humanity to exist in a liberalized community or a community where everyone lives in the same country.

The Tutsis, the Native Americans, the Jews, and so on.

The Native Americans were mercilessly killed off by diseases as much as they were by guns if not more so.

The Jews weren't as badly killed off by the holocaust as they make it out to be. We keep forgetting that slavs, gypsies, and other individuals were also targets of Nazism. And before then, virtually everyone became a target of slaughter if they looked different from everyone else.

Just because it was happening didn't mean that Allah did not will it to be stopped.

You are ignoring the bigger picture here. The truth of the matter is Allah could have made it stopped, but then what would happen? He would have to force it to stop again? And again. And again.

Allah would rather have us learn from our mistakes than to be our protector. Plus there could have been greater endangerments that could have arisen if he did got involved.

Like if he just threw a meteor into the atlantic and just a small one to scare away Columbus, then perhaps in the future Hitler manages to conquer all of Europe and then the rest of the world and the Natives were virtually killed off entirely rather than being reduced to a few hundred thousand.

So you have to remember the greater good and the reality to why things are progresses as they are under Allah's eyes.

But there is a way to undo Israel.

No there wasn't. The state of Israel was base on prophecy given several times by Allah to different individuals. It is cited in the Torah and in the Bible and is a clue to signal a period of time prior to the apocalypse. So it is suppose to exist. There is purpose for it as one of the many battle grounds between Isa's reincarnation and the false prophet.

I'm saying that there should NOT be a Jewish state.

And why is that?

There should not be a Kurdish state, or a Christian state, or whatever.

But there is a French State, a German state, a Russian state, a Chinese Communist state, a North Korean Communist State, a Vietnamese state, the Saudi Arabs have their own state, the Egyptians have their own state, and so on. So why can't the Kurds have their own state if these people have their own?

And by the way the Kurds are not Christains, most of them are muslims.

I'll answer that with your own words.

But already have with my previous arguments. Therfore, why should I bother?

Just think of Germany, England, France, and all those other evil nations that invaded the rest of the world.

Nations are never evil. And calling them evil is an act of racism, because you are calling their people evil by calling the nation that are a part of evil. The reason why I say this is because not everyone within the same country supports the same ideas. A lot of the time there are great disagreements, some which lead directly into a civil war.

Yet it seems most of our NEIGHBOURS in the Middle East are doing exactly the opposite. And some people actually support it.

I know. But they have to realize that we are suppose to have differences, otherwise we would be boring. It would be so boring to have a world full of Nazis.

Why would the Kurds be anymore likely to disappear anymore than the Native American Indian?

The Native Americans are not Indians. They are more closer related to the Tibetans.

One does not need a country to maintain one's identity.

True, but of a group of people want to create their country then aren't they entitled to do so? It is their land, their lives, their children, their people, and all they want is to take care of themselves.

Are 1000s of Kurdish women being raped presently?

Doesn't have to be presently. Simply having 10,000 Kurdish women raped anually should be enough to consider how bad things are and I bet they happen to be much worse than that in Turkey.