Indian preacher Zakir Naik is banned from UK

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I think he's taken quite a few of context. From memory, he takes quotes of Jesus out of context quite a lot, such as when he says Jesus promoted violence.
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and does jesus in the bible not promote violence?
 
I wonder if they realize that this might actually inspire people, who would never have thought about him, to look him up and watch his lectures.

الحمد لله

I don't think they though of that.
 
Life_Is_Short said:
If you have nothing constructive to say, don't say anything at all.

They can ban all they want. This is not going to stop anything. The truth is great, and will always prevail.
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who are you to judge what is constructive and what is not? Do you believe whatever you say is constructive and what others say is not? Last time I checked, Islam did not preach one to be arrogant.
 
This is a terrible injustice. I have tickets to see his talk in Birmingham and now I won't be able to. Except I can easily do it on Peace TV! So the government actions cannot stop us getting his message. I see on Facebook there are lots of groups set up "Overturn the ban on Zakir Naik". But I think this is stupid because:

a) since when did a Facebook group influence government policy? Even if 1 million people join that group it won't change anything.

b) the government will not change it's mind anyway, otherwise the papers will accuse them of a U-turn and of "cowardice" and letting in "hate preachers"

Even so, we should register our disgust about this. Not because it will change anything for the current situation. But because the government will think twice before doing it again if they get some serious negative response from the Muslims. The only way to do this it to write a letter, send an email, phone them up. Be polite but firm in your expression of disgust. Here is a good template letter you can use along with the postal address, email address and phone number:

http://www.muslimpolitics.com/secti...uk-supporters-urge-protest-by-british-muslims

The best thing about this will be that many non-Muslim will be attracted to Peace TV because of the controversy. Hopefully many will embrace Islam once they see the truth instead of the lies the media says about us.
 
aamirsaab said:
So they ban Zakir Naik but allow Geet Wilders?
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No. 'They' (although it was the previous Home Secretary, not the current one) DID ban Geet Wilders. The ban was overturned on appeal, and that decision criticized by the Labour government. The same appeal process is open to Zakir Naik now, although obviously this won't happen in time for the planned lectures.
 
mad_scientist said:
who are you to judge what is constructive and what is not? Do you believe whatever you say is constructive and what others say is not? Last time I checked, Islam did not preach one to be arrogant.
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Bearing in mind the thread title "Indian preacher Zakir Naik is banned from UK" in what way is this post constructive?

mad_scientist said:
Do you know that your country happily embraces British culture due to their slavery to them? Right hand driving? constitution? Political system? British schools? You should not be against the British.
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Supreme said:
Amongst other oddities regarding other religions and science, I think by far the strongest contender for silliest comment is in thes video, where Naik compares the prohibition of the building of places of worship to, of all things, a maths question.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plyS8sIUjmQ

I think the reason he conjured up such an inane analogy was that he was put on the spot so to speak, but it doesn't make it any less silly
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Ooooooookay! Now I got it! HAHA! …and I thought you were going to come up with a real challenge but I’m disappointed…still saves my time here and I’m quite happy too. :D

Now about the analogy, I think it is 100% wooho! Superb! A brilliant one! You think it silly but I don’t! This analogy fits the whole example and gives us a better understanding.

I totally agree with Dr. Zakir, that if a person already knows something to be 100% correct, then he can’t allow other people in to spread wrong knowledge or to mislead people. Totally logical and calling it “silly” actually makes YOU look like one.


Supreme said:
I think he's taken quite a few of context. From memory, he takes quotes of Jesus out of context quite a lot, such as when he says Jesus promoted violence.
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No. You must realize that Dr. Zakir respects Jesus (pbuh) as much as he respects Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w). What he says is that people accuse Muslims only of fighting and war but they only have half the knowledge. There are more verses of fighting in Hindu Scriptures (in Maha Bharat, the whole book is full of war) than there are in Quran. Even in BIBLE, there are verses of fighting. Jesus in one verse says to his disciples to pick up the sword and fight. So it is wrong of people to pass out biased comments.

This is what he says! Not that “Jesus promoted violence!” And do you even realize that this time it is YOU who has quoted Dr. Zaklir out of context???

What’s wrong with you? Now you too are going to use the same flop and deceitful method of quoting people out of context?!

What a shame! imsad
 
Now about the analogy, I think it is 100% wooho! Superb! A brilliant one! You think it silly but I don’t! This analogy fits the whole example and gives us a better understanding.
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I kinda guessed you would. Zakir Naik's arguments and analogies are far more convincing to Muslims and his fans than to non-Muslims. To me, his arguments aren't all that convincing, but I creased when he gave that analogy. I mean, a maths question!!!! It sounded ridiculous when I first heard it, and still does.

No. You must realize that Dr. Zakir respects Jesus (pbuh) as much as he respects Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w). What he says is that people accuse Muslims only of fighting and war but they only have half the knowledge. There are more verses of fighting in Hindu Scriptures (in Maha Bharat, the whole book is full of war) than there are in Quran. Even in BIBLE, there are verses of fighting. Jesus in one verse says to his disciples to pick up the sword and fight. So it is wrong of people to pass out biased comments.
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I understand that he respects Prophet Isa. But Prophet Isa and Jesus Christ are two, very different beings. Jesus never told His followers to go and fight. Never.
 
I understand that he respects Prophet Isa. But Prophet Isa and Jesus Christ are two, very different beings. Jesus never told His followers to go and fight. Never.
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Wait you do believe Jesus is God right? because if thats the case then according to you hes the same God of the OT - where theres enough commands of violence in context.
 
Supreme said:
I understand that he respects Prophet Isa. But Prophet Isa and Jesus Christ are two, very different beings. Jesus never told His followers to go and fight. Never.
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Jesus (pbuh)did preach Jihaad like Islaam does and No its not unjust killing
But according to the bible it is unjust as far my knowledge goes of the bible:

“When you approach a city to fight against it, you shall offer it terms of peace. If it agrees to make peace with you and opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall become your forced labor and shall serve you. However, if it does not make peace with you, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it. When the LORD your God gives it into your hand, you shall strike all the men in it with the edge of the sword. Only the women and the children and the animals and all that is in the city, all its spoil, you shall take as booty for yourself; and you shall use the spoil of your enemies which the LORD your God has given you. Only in the cities of these peoples that the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, you shall not leave alive anything that breathes” (Deuteronomy 20:10-17]

Is that not from your bible? and there`s plenty more i can post.
 
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Supreme said:
I kinda guessed you would. Zakir Naik's arguments and analogies are far more convincing to Muslims and his fans than to non-Muslims.
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And your totally wrong! Because I myself have heard many non-Muslims saying to Dr. Zakir in "question and answer session" that they feel very obliged in talking to him face to face; and one Hindu brother even said that he LOVES dr. Zakir because he is a man of truth!

Supreme said:
To me, his arguments aren't all that convincing,
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And nobody cares! :) Believe me!

Supreme said:
I understand that he respects Prophet Isa. But Prophet Isa and Jesus Christ are two, very different beings. Jesus never told His followers to go and fight. Never.
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This point my brothers and sisters have already answered. Plus don't try to turn the discussion to something totally new now.
 
Let's try to stick to the topic of this thread Insha'Allaah. Whether certain individuals find Dr. Zakir's arguments convincing or not is irrelevant.
 
Isn't his son also speaking at the conference? Is he still going inshallah
 
as-salamu `alaykum !

It's unbelievable !!
They are afraid of the truth. Dr Zakir is a man who knows a lot of things about religions and many people became muslims because of him !
It's the reason of his ban !

Yuriduna an yutfi'u nuraLlahi waLlahu mutimmu nurihi wa law kariha l-kafirun !!!!!!
 
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