interpretating the quran

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

A separate, but related question: Do you think the Sunnis were right to bomb the Sufi shrine?

No it was not right, the teachings of Islam do not encourage this. In all Islam does not associate itself with such acts, as posted by sister Bluebell ..It mentions in the verse how those who cause division do not associate themselves with Allaah and his messenger (SAW).

Indeed, those who have divided their religion and become sects – you, [O Muhammad], are not [associated] with them in anything. Their affair is only to Allah; then He will inform them about what they used to do.

My Question to you, What has it got to do with Islam, with us or anything at all? Or this thread in this case?

 

[Iconodule]

My answer to this.

No it was not right, the teachings of Islam do not encourage this. In all Islam does not associate itself with such acts

When I mentioned it as an example of strife between Sunnis, BlueBell said the Sufis are not real Sunnis (she didn't say anything about the bombers). What do you think? Who is a real Sunni in this case? The bombers, the Sufis, both, neither?

My Question to you, What has it got to do with Islam, with us or anything at all? Or this thread in this case?

Bluebell initially brought up the question of sects among Christians; I was simply pointing out that Muslims have a similar problem (they divide into sects too). Would you agree?

 

[جوري]

Likewise, they don't consider you to be the TRUE Muslims. So I guess, to borrow a phrase, that renders your previous assertion moot.

A separate, but related question: Do you think the Sunnis were right to bomb the Sufi shrine?

like I state it is the privilege of a diminutive percentage to think as they please!

best,

 

[Iconodule]

like I state it is the privilege of a diminutive percentage to think as they please!

best,

And how does it please you to think (about the bombing, that is)?

 

[جوري]

And how does it please you to think (about the bombing, that is)?

how does the Rwandan Genocide please you? you desire to go off on all sorts of tangents then open a separate thread and have your catharsis there..

best

 

[جوري]

My Question to you, What has it got to do with Islam, with us or anything at all? Or this thread in this case?

I quoted the Quran to showcase that sectarianism and sects aren't part of Islam..

 

[Salahudeen]

Thanks Salahudeen for the answers. Sometimes I see Muslims debating over the meaning of a particular verse and so by this ayat they shouldn't do this? This ayat is very telling considering a lot of people are interpreting things for their own benefit.
An example if I may take would be that verse in relation to women and covering their hair in surah Al Nur which I seem to notice a lot of Muslims debating it's meaning. Now as far as I know it doesn't explicitly say hair or head (and like you said arabic plays a role) but if going by the method you have given the next step they should take is looking to the sunnah. As far as I know I came across a hadith in which Muhammad said to a young girl who was wearing little clothing that when a girl reaches maturity she should cover her body except two places and he pointed to her face and feet I think. I can't locate the hadith right now but you probably know it. So why do Muslims still debate over some meanings of the quran if the answer is in the sunnah?

Also that book uloom al Quran is it available online?

Abz thanks for the video as well.

There are some people who deny the hadith and don't recognise them, by doing that they can give interpretations to the Qur'an that fits in with their desires and what they see as modern. They reject the hadith.

 

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

Greetings of peace

When I mentioned it as an example of strife between Sunnis, BlueBell said the Sufis are not real Sunnis (she didn't say anything about the bombers). What do you think? Who is a real Sunni in this case? The bombers, the Sufis, both, neither?

I think my post makes it clear. Anyone can go bomb someone and claim they're from a certain faith, if Islam doesn't encourage this either way, what does that say to you?

Bluebell initially brought up the question of sects among Christians; I was simply pointing out that Muslims have a similar problem (they divide into sects too). Would you agree?

Yes, division has been caused, but what the sis is saying that the Qur'aan and the prophet (SAW) does NOT encourage any of this division. As is why I quoted her post of the verse from the Qur'aan.

The prophet (saw) said that his nation will be divided upon 73 groups, and there one amongst those groups which is correct, he (SAW) was asked which group it will be, he (SAW) mentioned the one who follows the Qur'aan and his sunnah.

I quoted the Quran to showcase that sectarianism and sects aren't part of Islam..

I edited my post, inshaa'Allaah it makes sense now..

 

[Iconodule]

BlueBell made this point:

Sunnis don't break into cliques?

Nope

I think it's clear by now that the answer is "Yes."

 

[جوري]

I think it's clear by now that the answer is "Yes."

In your army of one I suppose..

best,

 

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

@ Iconodule

Please see this thread -->> Thread <<--

 

[Ramadhan]

Certainly they are God's representatives but they don't always represent him well.

so Holy ghost doesn't do his/her job or what?

No more than all your tafsirs, fiqh, hadith collections, madhhabs, prove that you keep changing the Quran.

This is an ignorance that doesn't deserve even a laugh, but only pity.

Give me two qur'ans that are not the same, if you are truthful with what you are saying.

In the the meantime, I will give you literally thousands of different bible versions.

protestant bible is different from roman cahtolics, which is different from eastern orthodox, which is different from ethiopian orthodox.
new world translation bible is different from new international version, which is different from KJV/ Latin vulgate bible is different from codex sinaiticus.
And codex sinaiticus does not even contain records of jesus' real sayings and actions.

 

[Salahudeen]

Thanks Salahudeen for the answers. Sometimes I see Muslims debating over the meaning of a particular verse and so by this ayat they shouldn't do this? This ayat is very telling considering a lot of people are interpreting things for their own benefit.
An example if I may take would be that verse in relation to women and covering their hair in surah Al Nur which I seem to notice a lot of Muslims debating it's meaning. Now as far as I know it doesn't explicitly say hair or head (and like you said arabic plays a role) but if going by the method you have given the next step they should take is looking to the sunnah. As far as I know I came across a hadith in which Muhammad said to a young girl who was wearing little clothing that when a girl reaches maturity she should cover her body except two places and he pointed to her face and feet I think. I can't locate the hadith right now but you probably know it. So why do Muslims still debate over some meanings of the quran if the answer is in the sunnah?

Also that book uloom al Quran is it available online?

Abz thanks for the video as well.

Sorry I forgot to mention, Uloom al Qur'an isn't a book, it means "sciences of Qur'an" it's a whole subject basically. The book by Yasir Qadhi, "introduction to the sciences of the Qur'an" is good, shall I find a PDF version for you? You're right in what you said, the sunnah is examples of the law in practice.

 

[Crystal]

This ayat is very telling considering a lot of people are interpreting things for their own benefit.
An example if I may take would be that verse in relation to women and covering their hair in surah Al Nur which I seem to notice a lot of Muslims debating it's meaning. Now as far as I know it doesn't explicitly say hair or head (and like you said arabic plays a role) but if going by the method you have given the next step they should take is looking to the sunnah. As far as I know I came across a hadith in which Muhammad said to a young girl who was wearing little clothing that when a girl reaches maturity she should cover her body except two places and he pointed to her face and feet I think. I can't locate the hadith right now but you probably know it. So why do Muslims still debate over some meanings of the quran if the answer is in the sunnah?

I was away for a while so just getting back to this however a lot of the posts have nothing to do with my original question! So basically my main question like above is Why do Muslims debate over meanings if there are certain steps to interpretation : follow quran, sunnah,...yet even after this some Muslims still debate about the meaning of a verse?

 

[M.I.A.]

the quran is a reinforcement of belief, a lot of people do not understand the arabic but recite anyway. they are not any less worthy in stature or iman in not understanding.
if you do pursue a path of trying to understand the quran then you will be constantly learning and mostly in error, but that is the whole point is it not? and if you remove your errors in understanding then that is truth.. not the speaking of verses again and again but in trying to convey the truth.

its a case of reading about the blind leading the blind and how they are doomed and then reading op's post and realising the same can be said about those that wanted sight.

my question would be why any person would want to understand the quran, for what purpose?
if it is to get closer to god then those with opinions about the quran and its interpretation should try and explain what they have found out about god.

the truth is an imam can talk for half an hour about the hardness of peoples hearts and by the end of prayer men will still be shouting about the crying toddler at the back. its a joke in itself..

no matter how plainly you speak it some people will not understand.

in closing there is only one god, he can guide those without sight and let stray those with clear sight. the quran makes it very clear the distinction between those that will be saved and those that will not is not understanding but sincere belief and action.
so if you look inside yourself whenever you post maybe one day you might see the intentions that drive you at heart.

 

[Crystal]

introduction to the sciences of the Qur'an" is good, shall I find a PDF version for you?

I would appreciate that

 

[Crystal]

my question would be why any person would want to understand the quran, for what purpose?

Thanks for your reply. I do believe though it is important to understand the quran because if I decide to be a Muslim then it is the quran that is going to tell me how to live my life.

 

[Ghazalah]

^It will be like a instructions manual to your life, well that's the way I see it :hmm: so many ayahs talk about the need to understand the Quran, it's the biggest miracle of all time, it's the words of Allah swt.

 

[Salahudeen]

I would appreciate that

Here's the video series for you, the link for the book is at the bottom of the post,

http://www.islamicsearchcenter.com/library/quran/Introduction-Sciences-of-the-Quran-Yasir-Qadhi.pdf



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