Iran sends Satellite into space, USA complains

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Iran is marginalized because of the mullahs not because of some collective paranoia on the part of the US and Western Europe. Their economy is in the toilet despite tremendous oil reserves not because Carter and Reagan and Bush 41 and Clinton and Bush 43 and Obama have been mean to them but because running an economy from a couple of offices in Teheran does not work.


Does anyone here think the gulf Arab states want Iran to have nukes?
 
fairandbalanced said:
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Does anyone here think the gulf Arab states want Iran to have nukes?
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I don't think they actually care. They don't seem to give a monkey's when a fellow muslim country is being attacked (palestine, afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon, Kosovo etc) and almost never interfere in anyone else's problems (save for hezbollah in the palestinian conflict).

Maybe some of the citizens of those countries do not want Iran to have nukes (as much as say you or I wouldn't want any country having nukes), but as far as governments go, I really don't think they have an opinion on it - more worried about their own back yard.
 
aamirsaab said:
I don't think they actually care. They don't seem to give a monkey's when a fellow muslim country is being attacked (palestine, afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon, Kosovo etc) and almost never interfere in anyone else's problems (save for hezbollah in the palestinian conflict).

Maybe some of the citizens of those countries do not want Iran to have nukes (as much as say you or I wouldn't want any country having nukes), but as far as governments go, I really don't think they have an opinion on it - more worried about their own back yard.
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I agree...they are worried only about themselves (and their money)..but Iran is just across the Persian Gulf and the same rocket than can lift a payload into space can theoretically carry a weapon across the Persian Gulf.

BTW...this notion advanced by officials in Iran that Iran is investing in rockets to launch communication satellites is absurd. They could pay the French or Russians or the Chinese to do it at a small fraction of the cost. The first satellite was put in orbit over 50 years ago. It is no longer "rocket science" so the national prestige argument doesn't even seem to wash. They want a heavy lift rokcet of their own for one reason and one reason alone.
 
fairandbalanced said:
I agree...they are worried only about themselves (and their money)..but Iran is just across the Persian Gulf and the same rocket than can lift a payload into space can theoretically carry a weapon across the Persian Gulf.

BTW...this notion advanced by officials in Iran that Iran is investing in rockets to launch communication satellites is absurd. They could pay the French or Russians or the Chinese to do it at a small fraction of the cost. The first satellite was put in orbit over 50 years ago. It is no longer "rocket science" so the national prestige argument doesn't even seem to wash. They want a heavy lift rokcet of their own for one reason and one reason alone.
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something wrong with developing your own tech? however late, they can't guarantee the others will be doing it for them, especially not with the current prevailing attitude.
nuclear weapons aren't as much as they're made out to be, other non-conventional systems such as chemical/biological could 'do the trick' with much less cost involved. it's the delivery systems that matter really, and the only country that possesses nukes in the region is whom?
if Iran develops them, the Gulf countries certainly will too, thus decreasing the importance of nukes even more, and the Iranians aren't demented, contrary to common propaganda, badmouthing Israel is a way to get votes/support, nothing more, the Iranians could care less about the whole issue otherwise.
 
alcurad said:
something wrong with developing your own tech? however late, they can't guarantee the others will be doing it for them, especially not with the current prevailing attitude.
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Absolutely correct. They could probably not talk the Russians into launching a warhed into Tel Aviv. :)


nuclear weapons aren't as much as they're made out to be, other non-conventional systems such as chemical/biological could 'do the trick' with much less cost involved. it's the delivery systems that matter really, and the only country that possesses nukes in the region is whom?
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Perhaps on the chemicals...but they aren't as macho...which seems to be what Iran is looking for. As for nuke powers in the region there is Israel of course...and Russia which shares a border with Iran....and Turkey is part of NATO even though she has no nukes of her own...and there is the US Navy which has nukes aboard ships in the area....possibly also the Royal Navy. Sounds kind of dangerous to me.

if Iran develops them, the Gulf countries certainly will too, thus decreasing the importance of nukes even more, and the Iranians aren't demented, contrary to common propaganda, badmouthing Israel is a way to get votes/support, nothing more, the Iranians could care less about the whole issue otherwise.
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I tend to agree with you in the case of Imadinnerjacket but there seem to be quite a few nutbars in the Revolutionary Guards.
 
lets hope no one ever does use them, I'm reminded of Hiroshima and Nagasaki though, the murderer who was president back then didn't need to use them either, and it was the leader of the 'free world' too.
I don't think Iran is developing nukes btw, after all Iraq never had the WMD's..if they do develop them though, it won't be too bad for the region-excluding the Israelis of course-, depending on how the Arabs/pakis play it out.
 
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As much as i don't approve of the use of nukes(remember who is the only country to use them?) due to the impossibility to distinguish between combatant and civilians, i would support Iran IF it wanted to acquire them. But i doubt it is, since it would be rather out of character for Iran. Iran chooses its deterrent capabilities with more tact. Although it would be rather, interesting, if it did develop them.
 
Troubled Soul said:
How intolerant of you to say such a stupid comment

I support Iran for acquiring Nukes. Why not?

The terrorist nazi israelis have them so why cant iran?
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I am guessing you don't like Jews very much but do you realize how historically ignorant it sounds to be calling Israelis "nazis"?

As to Iran and nukes, Iran is a signatory to the Non-Proliferation Treaty. They knew this, of course, so they embarked on a secret enrichment program and lied to the IAEA. They got caught. That doesn't help their credibility. BTW, Israel is not a signatory.

NPT aside, does Iran have a "right" to develop nukes? Sure.

Is it a good idea for them? Perhaps... if they did not get caught until they wer ready. But they did get caught. Now they are paying a price in terms of international isolation..not to mention the risk of an Israeli first strike (conventional).

You seem to view as some kind of "social justice" issue among nations. It doesnt' work that way.
 
Aaron85 said:
Yes, country who supports Hesbullah and Hamas, gets nuclear weapon. SO exciting and interesting. :D
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As much as one that supports Israel...

Personally, I'd much rather noone has nukes, but if the US is not willing to disarm, every other country should have that right. Why? the US is currently the only ones to have used them - I'm more afraid of the US using a nuke than Iran or Iraq. If only one country is allowed nukes, that country poses a threat. If all countries have nukes, less threat since noone is going to fire.

It's a balance of power game.

p.s; why does noone build nuclear-protective shields!
 
aamirsaab said:
As much as one that supports Israel...

Personally, I'd much rather noone has nukes, but if the US is not willing to disarm, every other country should have that right. Why? the US is currently the only ones to have used them - I'm more afraid of the US using a nuke than Iran or Iraq. If only one country is allowed nukes, that country poses a threat. If all countries have nukes, less threat since noone is going to fire.

It's a balance of power game.

p.s; why does noone build nuclear-protective shields!
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Yes USA did use nuclear bomb once, they dropped it at two Japanese cities, killing hundred of thousands. Sounds cruels. But few people are aware that without the a bomb, if the war with Japan goes on, it would cost even 5 millions of lives (as some history searchers claim).
Have You heard about the dirty bomb? Its a bomb which includes nuclear elements, which can kill thousands of people in a big city. Iranian goverment is in hands of fundamentalistic messianists, and what would stop them before sharing with the nuclear weapon with some fighting radical groups for example like Talebans or Al Queada.
 
Aaron85 said:
Yes USA did use nuclear bomb once, they dropped it at two Japanese cities, killing hundred of thousands. Sounds cruels. But few people are aware that without the a bomb, if the war with Japan goes on, it would cost even 5 millions of lives (as some history searchers claim).
Have You heard about the dirty bomb? Its a bomb which includes nuclear elements, which can kill thousands of people in a big city. Iranian goverment is in hands of fundamentalistic messianists, and what would stop them before sharing with the nuclear weapon with some fighting radical groups for example like Talebans or Al Queada.
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okay then, so when Iran nukes Israel its the only way to end the war, :). whats wrong with that? if it was ok to end the war back in the day, then it can be done now, or oh wait i get it, no no, Iran is Muslim so no they have no right to dare attack Israel the supposed holy ******* child of your god right?

as for al-qaeda and taliban, , Iran and the taliban are enemies, it seems you forgot that the taliban killed 12 Iranian diplomats and Iran were on the verge of going to war with them until the international community agreed to work against the taliban. Iran would never give bomb to al-qaeda and the taliban, i mean its not even practical, al-qaeda and the taliban are not even equiped to deal with such weapons, as much as your goverments may say ohhhh al-qaeda is so sophisticaed with underground lab's bla bla.
 
Sadly most of the world's nations fail to see the lesson taught by the 50 year idiotic nuclear arms race between the USA and Russia.

Each of us spent more money annually, then what would have been lost if having been defeated by the other.

The trillions of dollars wasted could have been used to help end the reasons for war, but no, it was used to assure threat of war would stay as a way of life.

Only maniacs, madmen or fools would desire for their country to have Nukes and ICBMs.

The egotistical attitude of the world leaders is rediculous, and sadly very dangerous.

Missles and Nukes are harmful to children and all innocent creatures.
 
The_Prince said:
okay then, so when Iran nukes Israel its the only way to end the war, :). whats wrong with that? if it was ok to end the war back in the day, then it can be done now, or oh wait i get it, no no, Iran is Muslim so no they have no right to dare attack Israel the supposed holy ******* child of your god right?

as for al-qaeda and taliban, , Iran and the taliban are enemies, it seems you forgot that the taliban killed 12 Iranian diplomats and Iran were on the verge of going to war with them until the international community agreed to work against the taliban. Iran would never give bomb to al-qaeda and the taliban, i mean its not even practical, al-qaeda and the taliban are not even equiped to deal with such weapons, as much as your goverments may say ohhhh al-qaeda is so sophisticaed with underground lab's bla bla.
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Never gonna happen!

do you know what is in common between the Moshiach and 12th shiite Imaam?
do you know what is in common between 12th shiite Imaam and the Muslim version of dajjal the Anti-Christ?
 
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Aaron85 said:
Yes, country who supports Hesbullah and Hamas, gets nuclear weapon. SO exciting and interesting. :D
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Well lets see.
Russia- i am not even going to start with its Human rights record
USA- actually used them
China- the list is longer than even Russia
France- speak to the algerians
Israel- history of ethnic cleansing and wars of aggression

Anyways the thing about nukes is that their only use is for deterrent.(aka MAD)
No one is really going to use them. And giving them to non state actors is... well its not gona happen, if thats what your referring to.
 
I think that its absurd to think that allowing every nation to have an atomic bomb is going to stop the wars and bring peace. The third war would be the last one then.
 
Aaron85 said:
I think that its absurd to think that allowing every nation to have an atomic bomb is going to stop the wars and bring peace. The third war would be the last one then.
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It stopped Rus and USa from going to a (hot) war for 50 years, so i wouldn't say they got no peace making use.

Anyways It should be noted that Iran actually abandoned its nuke program in 79 because the shia scholars said it was not halal. Perhaps people should meditate a bit on that.
 

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