Iran sends Satellite into space, USA complains

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Aaron85 said:
Yes USA did use nuclear bomb once, they dropped it at two Japanese cities, killing hundred of thousands. Sounds cruels. But few people are aware that without the a bomb, if the war with Japan goes on, it would cost even 5 millions of lives (as some history searchers claim).
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that's actually quite wrong, the Japanese had sent messages of surrender, several times through more than one channel, the only condition was the emperor stays emperor, the U.S refused and nuked them instead..
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1459018/posts
 
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Woodrow said:
Sadly most of the world's nations fail to see the lesson taught by the 50 year idiotic nuclear arms race between the USA and Russia.

Each of us spent more money annually, then what would have been lost if having been defeated by the other.

The trillions of dollars wasted could have been used to help end the reasons for war, but no, it was used to assure threat of war would stay as a way of life.

Only maniacs, madmen or fools would desire for their country to have Nukes and ICBMs.

The egotistical attitude of the world leaders is rediculous, and sadly very dangerous.

Missles and Nukes are harmful to children and all innocent creatures.
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Many people think that but it is absolutely not true. The US spent much more
on the development and manufacture of the B-29 (the plane that dropped the bomb on Japan) than they spent on the entire Manhattan project. Once the infrastructure was in place and the research done it was realtivley cheap to make nukes. 10 nukes might then have the stopping power of an entire divison of tanks (400-500 tanks and 20,000 men). Nuclear weapons prevented a war between the US and USSR (directly at least).

Aaron is right. 2 nukes dropped on Japan ended the war. An invasion of the Japanese main islands might have killed 1,000,000 +...a good number of them American Marines and soldiers.

The invasion of Okinawa, a realitively small island off Japan and comparatively lightly defended, cost the lives of 12,000 Americans with 50,000 injured, 100,000 Japanese militray personnel killed and >200,000 Okinwan civilians killed, wounded or comitted suicide (1/4 of the civilian population).

As for trusting the US with nukes...they have been an option for 63 years..they have not been used since '45.
 
alcurad said:
that's actually quite wrong, the Japanese had sent messages of surrender, several times through more than one channel, the only condition was the emperor stays emperor, the U.S refused and nuked them instead..
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1459018/posts
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That was absolutely not the only condition. They offered to withdraw to Japan, retain the existing military forces and existing government and sign an armistice. ;D Given the extent of suffering that had gone before the idea was absolutely preposterous. No Allied power was prepared to accept that.


Did you even read the reference you cited? The author you cited refutes the claim you make in the third paragraph and he properly labesl such foolishness "revisionism".

Googling is dangerous, eh?
 
fairandbalanced said:
That was absolutely not the only condition. They offered to withdraw to Japan, retain the existing military forces and existing government and sign an armistice. ;D Given the extent of suffering that had gone before the idea was absolutely preposterous. No Allied power was prepared to accept that.


Did you even read the reference you cited? The author you cited refutes the claim you make in the third paragraph and he properly labesl such foolishness "revisionism".

Googling is dangerous, eh?
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I've studied the actual sources and if the yanks would just allow the monarchy to stay, those things would of been able to be negotiated.

The nukes were only dropped because of USSR, yanks wanted the whole island to themselves and didn't want to share with the rus like in Germany. (aka the cold war started)
 
revisionism is not 'bad', and I'm not overly concerned about the source disagreeing in the third paragraph, he sort of presented both views, and his disagreements were mostly along the line it was estimated this, estimated that, which is not very good evidence/backing.
 
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Back to the actual topic, the primary issue for the U.S. and others is the obvious danger of nuclear proliferation by the Iranian regime. We don't worry about France, the U.K., etc proliferating nuclear technology to rogue states. That can't be said for Iran. Their secrecy and denials regarding their program just adds fuel to that fire.
 
the Israeli secrecy and denial cause much concern to Iran, as do their threats of attacking Iran, it goes both ways, the US couldv'e dealt with this very easily without saber rattling, but I think it's their goal to confront and weaken Iran from day one, which was several decades ago..
the Iranians have much more incentive to develop militias & bio/chemical weapons rather than waste their meager resources-the result of a manily bad economy- on expensive useless pursuits, although it does appear they are only seeking nuclear power plants until now. and they do need to produce it themselves, all the packages offered as compensation if they stop mean zilch in the end, all are meant to tie and constarin the Iranians rather than helping them.
 
Keltoi said:
Back to the actual topic, the primary issue for the U.S. and others is the obvious danger of nuclear proliferation by the Iranian regime. We don't worry about France, the U.K., etc proliferating nuclear technology to rogue states. That can't be said for Iran. Their secrecy and denials regarding their program just adds fuel to that fire.
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again with this DENIAL thing, that sounds so STUPID. name me ONE country that has ever been OPEN about their nuclear program? seriously why do some ppl say such stupid things , getting nuclear weapons is not something u go advertizing, and thats assuming THEY EVEN HAVE A PROGRAM, LOL LOL u sound like bush now, OHHHH THERES NO EVIDENCE BECAUSE THEIR SECRETSSS THATS WHAT WE EXPECT!

LOL man this is so SAD i must say, there is no proof that Iran is even making nukes, and since theres no proof u have guys like this comming up saying OH ITS BECAUSE THEIR HIDINGGGGGGGG IT!

i for one as an Iranian hope that one day Iran has nukes, and also being half Arab i hope it will send the Arabs into an arms race to get nukes as well, then i can smile and say all my countries have nukes, USA, Arabia, and Iran. muahahahaha.
 
The_Prince said:
again with this DENIAL thing, that sounds so STUPID. name me ONE country that has ever been OPEN about their nuclear program? seriously why do some ppl say such stupid things , getting nuclear weapons is not something u go advertizing, and thats assuming THEY EVEN HAVE A PROGRAM, LOL LOL u sound like bush now, OHHHH THERES NO EVIDENCE BECAUSE THEIR SECRETSSS THATS WHAT WE EXPECT!
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When you sign a non-proliferation treaty, among others, it is expected that you will be transparent when it comes to nuclear technology. If you simply want nuclear power for civilian purposes it would be very easy to prove that. The process is quite different. Iran has repeatedly stonewalled the IAEA.

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LOL man this is so SAD i must say, there is no proof that Iran is even making nukes, and since theres no proof u have guys like this comming up saying OH ITS BECAUSE THEIR HIDINGGGGGGGG IT!

i for one as an Iranian hope that one day Iran has nukes, and also being half Arab i hope it will send the Arabs into an arms race to get nukes as well, then i can smile and say all my countries have nukes, USA, Arabia, and Iran. muahahahaha.
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Iran should be worrying about why a refrigerator costs 45% more than it did last year.
 
Seems like the economic crisis has rescued Israel, as the dramatic fall of the oil prizes made it unable for Iran to mobilize Hezbullah in Lebanon in order to attack Israel.
 
Aaron85 said:
From what I know Sabra and Shatila massacres were commited by the lebanon christian militias with the lack of reaction of the standing nearby israeli forces.
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I am sorry for trying to take the dis-credit away from your co-religionists for I am far too confused and only Remember (and I am covinced) that all the Sunni Palestinians were killed in Lebanon by the collaboration between Israel, Christians and the Shiites of Syria and Lebanon (I could be suffering from selective amnesia?)!
 
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doorster said:
I am sorry for trying to take the dis-credit away from your co-religionists for I am far to confused and only Remember all the Sunni Palestinians killed in Lebanon by the collaboration between Israel, Christians and the Shiites of Syria and Lebanon (I could be suffering from selective amnesia?)!
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Let us not forget the Damour massacre, in which hundreds of Christians were murdered by Syrian backed Palestinians. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damour_massacre
 
Herewegoagain said:
Let us not forget the Damour massacre, in which hundreds of Christians were murdered by Syrian backed Palestinians. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damour_massacre
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you made a new account just to tell me something about Syria (a country that I already despise)?

wow! what a clever and brave litttle Christian knight! and on top of that quoting from wiki of all places (where any moron can play historian).
 
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doorster said:
wa iyak

okay, just change that bit with whatever you are
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I still do not understand how you think my post talks about the country of Syria.... The Palestenian fighters are merely Syrian backed...they obtain their weapons/funds from Syria...that is really all.

Good day to you! :)
 
doorster said:
I am sorry for trying to take the dis-credit away from your co-religionists for I am far to confused and only Remember and I am covinced that all the Sunni Palestinians were killed in Lebanon by the collaboration between Israel, Christians and the Shiites of Syria and Lebanon (I could be suffering from selective amnesia?)!
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You think Doorster that there is some connection between the shiite Mahdi and jewish Messiah? Might they be the same person according to your knowledge?
 

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