Iran under the threat of war?

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If there is going to be military action against Iran it will be quick and decisive. Why? For the very reasons many point out as to why the U.S. is "overstretched". The U.S. doesn't have the time, patience, or manpower for another prolonged occupation. It will be quick, highly destructive, and highly unfortunate for Iran. Let us all pray it doesn't reach that point.

Yup, cause if that happens, then you will see another huge bomb landing in America, then back and forth and the world will end up having radiation and dust all over, which will lead to the destruction of us humans.
 
Get this general talking nonsense....

You go in, be ready to get a taste of your own medicine AGAIN! - Think 9/11 and how you were brought to your knees....

Brought to our knees? Been watching some good propoganda films huh?

There seems to be a bit of confusion on this forum about the difference between an occupation and a war. Any conflict with Iran will be unfortunate for everybody. This isn't a football game. Don't believe for a second that Iran is somehow anything near an equal to the United States militarily. This wouldn't be "fair" and it wouldn't be an occupation.
 
^^I dont know why even bother trying to tell anyone on this board what war would be like to Iran, almost everyone on this forum will side with Iran no matter what, that is why there isnt an argument about how the US would attack just what would hypothetically happen in response. The people responding on this thread obviously live in a box and have absolutely no idea. Personally, sometimes I wish we would go to war with Iran just to flex our military muscle a little bit. I think a lot of people percieve our country as weak now because we cant police the country of Iraq against people who dont care about morals or life. I would like to see another country give it a whirl, see how well they come out of the situation.

As far as all of this talk of the US wanting oil, we should just laugh as it is pure ignorance and shows the simplistic thinking of those who support who we do not. If we went to war with Iran, you might as well plan on starting the process of obtaining the oil over, which would be more trouble than it would be worth, especially since we already dont even get any oil from there and the American people are more than capable of paying for our own. Not to mention that within the next 30 years we wont even need it for vehicles anyways. My suggestion, sit back and enjoy the fireworks, enjoy the misery that Iran will surely bring on its people and government, it will be their own underestimations and arrogance that will lead to their demise.

Isnt it funny how each time we go to war with one of these countries the leaders run and hide in holes or mountains? (ie Saddam, Taliban, OBL) It just shows what real cowards they are, they get young people, brainwash them and have them do the dirty work but then when the sh** hits the fan they run and hide and send out messages through the internet. If their countries truly supported them and God is really on their side then why not call upon their armies and people to fight like a real military, oh yeah thats right, because their people typically dont support them and neither does God.:raging:
 
^^I dont know why even bother trying to tell anyone on this board what war would be like to Iran, almost everyone on this forum will side with Iran no matter what, that is why there isnt an argument about how the US would attack just what would hypothetically happen in response. The people responding on this thread obviously live in a box and have absolutely no idea. Personally, sometimes I wish we would go to war with Iran just to flex our military muscle a little bit. I think a lot of people percieve our country as weak now because we cant police the country of Iraq against people who dont care about morals or life. I would like to see another country give it a whirl, see how well they come out of the situation.

As far as all of this talk of the US wanting oil, we should just laugh as it is pure ignorance and shows the simplistic thinking of those who support who we do not. If we went to war with Iran, you might as well plan on starting the process of obtaining the oil over, which would be more trouble than it would be worth, especially since we already dont even get any oil from there and the American people are more than capable of paying for our own. Not to mention that within the next 30 years we wont even need it for vehicles anyways. My suggestion, sit back and enjoy the fireworks, enjoy the misery that Iran will surely bring on its people and government, it will be their own underestimations and arrogance that will lead to their demise.

Isnt it funny how each time we go to war with one of these countries the leaders run and hide in holes or mountains? (ie Saddam, Taliban, OBL) It just shows what real cowards they are, they get young people, brainwash them and have them do the dirty work but then when the sh** hits the fan they run and hide and send out messages through the internet. If their countries truly supported them and God is really on their side then why not call upon their armies and people to fight like a real military, oh yeah thats right, because their people typically dont support them and neither does God.:raging:

"one of these countries??" I'm telling you straight out bro, Iran is not "one of these countries." Saddam, Taliban, and those other countries have no real backing. More than half of Iraq hated Saddam and his evil Regime. Go to war against a country where they love their leader and you will not just see a war in Iran, but there would be bombs dropping into American military headquaters as well.

This will lead to a world war no doubt.

Don't ever wish again for a war to "stregthen your muscles"; cause as you flex your arm might just get cut off!!!

Kidman
 
"one of these countries??" I'm telling you straight out bro, Iran is not "one of these countries." Saddam, Taliban, and those other countries have no real backing. More than half of Iraq hated Saddam and his evil Regime. Go to war against a country where they love their leader and you will not just see a war in Iran, but there would be bombs dropping into American military headquaters as well.

This will lead to a world war no doubt.

Don't ever wish again for a war to "stregthen your muscles"; cause as you flex your arm might just get cut off!!!

Kidman


LOL :laugh:

Kidman you really are hilarious, I would love to see Iran make one military offensive against a US military base, without using a terrorist group as a conduit. They couldnt do it, a world war, ummmm perhaps, but it wouldnt be fought on US soil and the world wouldnt be against the US. I think you fail to realize that Iran is probably hated more than the US.

The US may very well stregthen it muscles through a war with Iran, just like Ahmadinjehad strengthens his mouth muscles. I would like to see a sword weilding Iranian cut the arm off a cruise missle. That is the difference there wouldnt be a US military serviceman in sight only fast planes equipped with faster missles. Good luck Iran, sorry for the people that didnt chant "Death to America", if that isnt a provocation for war I dont know what is
 
LOL :laugh:

Kidman you really are hilarious, I would love to see Iran make one military offensive against a US military base, without using a terrorist group as a conduit. They couldnt do it, a world war, ummmm perhaps, but it wouldnt be fought on US soil and the world wouldnt be against the US. I think you fail to realize that Iran is probably hated more than the US.

The US may very well stregthen it muscles through a war with Iran, just like Ahmadinjehad strengthens his mouth muscles. I would like to see a sword weilding Iranian cut the arm off a cruise missle. That is the difference there wouldnt be a US military serviceman in sight only fast planes equipped with faster missles. Good luck Iran, sorry for the people that didnt chant "Death to America", if that isnt a provocation for war I dont know what is

Thank you, i try :)

They will if needed make a military offensive against a U.S military base but only if they are attacked first. But ya, they might use a group, you say terrorist group but if Iran is attacked, then is america not the one who is terrorizing? How is America not considered a terrorist when they are the ones constantly attacking countries and having innocent people (not intentional of course) killed?

World war probably wouldn't be fought on U.S soil... but you think U.S will send troops to Iran?? (real question, not tryin to be smart here or anything). I think they would probalby just do what they did to Hiroshima and would rather drop a bomb and turn Iran into a huge crater. May God protect those innocent people... the millions of women and children that didn't have anything to do with a war but are taken out for the glory of the American dynasty.

Iran more hated than U.S?? Really, i didn't know that... did you get these statistics from an Israeli sensus?

"Death to America" isn't provocation for war, it is a symbol of how the Government of America acts unjustly, and against humanity and only for selfish purposes. If you realize that, then you would also realize that more than half of U.S citizens are against Bush and his way of governing, and if the chant didn't seem so bloody, they would be chanting also.

Iranians love americans, but hate the american government. If you ever cared, you can visit Iran and watch how wonderful their culture is, and how you are treated there. But since you are so influenced by what you hear, you are thinking "helllll no, they will kidnap and torture me, and hold me for ransom, and etc.....

Take care, and wish you the best of knowledge and hopefully you will be against any war and all about peace.

Kidman
 
Thank you, i try :)

They will if needed make a military offensive against a U.S military base but only if they are attacked first. But ya, they might use a group, you say terrorist group but if Iran is attacked, then is america not the one who is terrorizing? How is America not considered a terrorist when they are the ones constantly attacking countries and having innocent people (not intentional of course) killed?

World war probably wouldn't be fought on U.S soil... but you think U.S will send troops to Iran?? (real question, not tryin to be smart here or anything). I think they would probalby just do what they did to Hiroshima and would rather drop a bomb and turn Iran into a huge crater. May God protect those innocent people... the millions of women and children that didn't have anything to do with a war but are taken out for the glory of the American dynasty.

Iran more hated than U.S?? Really, i didn't know that... did you get these statistics from an Israeli sensus?

"Death to America" isn't provocation for war, it is a symbol of how the Government of America acts unjustly, and against humanity and only for selfish purposes. If you realize that, then you would also realize that more than half of U.S citizens are against Bush and his way of governing, and if the chant didn't seem so bloody, they would be chanting also.

Iranians love americans, but hate the american government. If you ever cared, you can visit Iran and watch how wonderful their culture is, and how you are treated there. But since you are so influenced by what you hear, you are thinking "helllll no, they will kidnap and torture me, and hold me for ransom, and etc.....

Take care, and wish you the best of knowledge and hopefully you will be against any war and all about peace.

Kidman


Kidman

First off, no I dont think the US is a terrorist group, I think that the US defends itself. The US's war in the mideast was not unprovoked, for every action there is an equal but opposite reaction. You kill 3000 of our people and bring down two of our buildings and we will retaliate, do not doubt that or mistake it for anything else. It is a military response to a threat against our nation, a military response to a miltary action. What would Iran do, or any other country for that matter do if the US threatened to destroy their country as Saddam threatened the US many times or if another country harbored the leader of the organization that just killed 3000 of your citizens? Something must be done or anyone will think they can attack the US. As far as innocent people being killed, I think maybe you would want to talk to your Muslim brothers and sisters before you come to the US about that, they seem to be the ones who kill indiscriminately, if this were the case for the US wouldnt occupy Iraq and would have been out of Iraq before you could say abra cadabra

Second.. No I dont think that the US would send in troops, that was the point I was making in my previous post, there wouldnt be an occupation or a troop to "cut the arm off" of. As far as the innocent people, they wont die because of America they will die because their government is sacrificing them for their own military agenda.

As for the comment regarding the question who where the stats come from on Iran or the US, ask the Saudis, Israel, Britain, the US, Russia, Japan and basically anyone else you would consider with the "west". Who doesnt like the US? Iran, Iraq, Afghan, Syria, Palestine Venezuela and Cuba, hardly anyone to worry about.

Death to America isnt a provocation for war huh? I suppose some cartoons are though right? I wonder how Iran would react if we began burning their flags and caricatures of their highest religious leaders and chanted Death to Iran. I wonder how that would go over.. If they want bush to die, then fine say death to Bush or even better, how about chanting "Cant wait for the 2008 elections" Rather than chanting the death for a country. As far as I am concerned that is just an excuse for their hate speeches and rallies.

Iranians love americans?! LOL This is news to me but really when I said the Iranians I was just talking about the Iranian government, you know how that is right? By the way it is hard not to be influenced by what you see in hear, especially when you dont write off everything that is pro US and listen to everything that is Pro mideast, there are two sides to everything.

You take care as well, I dont wish for war, but I dont wish to be constantly taunted indirectly and constantly told how my lifestyle and my countries lifestyle is wrong by people who dont even know what a lifestyle is because their country controls theirs. Again I will say Good Luck Iran
 
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Thank you, i try :)

They will if needed make a military offensive against a U.S military base but only if they are attacked first. But ya, they might use a group, you say terrorist group but if Iran is attacked, then is america not the one who is terrorizing? How is America not considered a terrorist when they are the ones constantly attacking countries and having innocent people (not intentional of course) killed?

World war probably wouldn't be fought on U.S soil... but you think U.S will send troops to Iran?? (real question, not tryin to be smart here or anything). I think they would probalby just do what they did to Hiroshima and would rather drop a bomb and turn Iran into a huge crater. May God protect those innocent people... the millions of women and children that didn't have anything to do with a war but are taken out for the glory of the American dynasty.

Iran more hated than U.S?? Really, i didn't know that... did you get these statistics from an Israeli sensus?

"Death to America" isn't provocation for war, it is a symbol of how the Government of America acts unjustly, and against humanity and only for selfish purposes. If you realize that, then you would also realize that more than half of U.S citizens are against Bush and his way of governing, and if the chant didn't seem so bloody, they would be chanting also.

Iranians love americans, but hate the american government. If you ever cared, you can visit Iran and watch how wonderful their culture is, and how you are treated there. But since you are so influenced by what you hear, you are thinking "helllll no, they will kidnap and torture me, and hold me for ransom, and etc.....

Take care, and wish you the best of knowledge and hopefully you will be against any war and all about peace.

Kidman

Yes Iran is a model of tolerance. For example the treatment of Ba Hai followers. And if Iran is such a great place to be, why is it that so
many Iranians come to the USA for education, and then try to stay here?
Claiming political persecution? I would really like the answer to that one.
 
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Iran has historical grievances against US hegemony. They are a peace loving people and grow quite delicious pistacchios. They also have really good caviar. Xerxes was misunderstood. The Ayatollah was really nice guy too, once you got to know him and he could do really good Carter imitations. Amadinajad is a genius. Everyone knows this.

The Iranian military is all powerful, in fact, they are darn near immortal. They have photon torpedoes and tractor beams. Everyone knows this.

The US is the new Rome. They are corrupt and effete. Everyone knows this. Bush stole the election and he gets messages from God to do things like invade helpless law-abiding nations to steal their oil. He also cheats on his taxes and doesn't floss. Everyone knows this too. So it goes.


Woohoo...9 1/2 hrs without getting a post deleted! I have discovered the formula. As they say...when in Rome.....
 
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Kidman

First off, no I dont think the US is a terrorist group, I think that the US defends itself. The US's war in the mideast was not unprovoked, for every action there is an equal but opposite reaction. You kill 3000 of our people and bring down two of our buildings and we will retaliate, do not doubt that or mistake it for anything else. It is a military response to a threat against our nation, a military response to a miltary action. What would Iran do, or any other country for that matter do if the US threatened to destroy their country as Saddam threatened the US many times or if another country harbored the leader of the organization that just killed 3000 of your citizens? Something must be done or anyone will think they can attack the US. As far as innocent people being killed, I think maybe you would want to talk to your Muslim brothers and sisters before you come to the US about that, they seem to be the ones who kill indiscriminately, if this were the case for the US wouldnt occupy Iraq and would have been out of Iraq before you could say abra cadabra

Hello MTAFFI,
I understand the want to retaliate when something horrible happens like the innocent lives that were taken. And yes, any country, even Iran, would retaliate as well. And when America sent troops looking for Al-Qieda and Osama, that was a reasonable reaction. Actually, Iran was one of the first countries to come out and express sympathy for the innocent lives that were taken in that attack, and to denounce whoever created the atrocity. But, when America used horrible sources to link Saddam with Osama Bin Laden and all of a sudden Saddam is a terrorist even when before America were the ones supporting his power in Iraq, and gave him weapons to go to war with Iran. Come on now, that is where some people got upset. Then you hear stories about what they do to the prisoners in Iraq, the rapings, etc... Is this they type of retaliation you take?? The soldiers who went on a rampage on innocent Iraqi civilians, even poor women and children, because their friend was blown up then should be looked upon as a good deed or retaliation in your eyes???
Quran "The killing of one innocent person is like killing all of humanity, and the saving of one person is like saving all of humanity"
According to that, do you believe REAL muslims support those who are killing innocent people in the name of Islam? Please don't associate us with those people, it's like us associating Christianity to the Preachers who molest little children, which we know is not true Christianity.

Second.. No I dont think that the US would send in troops, that was the point I was making in my previous post, there wouldnt be an occupation or a troop to "cut the arm off" of. As far as the innocent people, they wont die because of America they will die because their government is sacrificing them for their own military agenda.
so they are dying for the government of America's own military agenda right?

As for the comment regarding the question who where the stats come from on Iran or the US, ask the Saudis, Israel, Britain, the US, Russia, Japan and basically anyone else you would consider with the "west". Who doesnt like the US? Iran, Iraq, Afghan, Syria, Palestine Venezuela and Cuba, hardly anyone to worry about.
Ohhh, i see, you are talking about governments. Of course they side with america, cause America is good at making deals (with the government) that would benefit the country as long as they side with America... But, i believe if you ask the majority of people... and i've been to Saudi, and they really dislike America, lol, even to the point where i was kinda scared to say i was american... but the majority of PEOPLE would dislike america more than Iran.

Death to America isnt a provocation for war huh? I suppose some cartoons are though right? I wonder how Iran would react if we began burning their flags and caricatures of their highest religious leaders and chanted Death to Iran. I wonder how that would go over.. If they want bush to die, then fine say death to Bush or even better, how about chanting "Cant wait for the 2008 elections" Rather than chanting the death for a country. As far as I am concerned that is just an excuse for their hate speeches and rallies.

Burning the iranian flag, or pictures of Ahmadinejad wont be anything big, you might have some hardline iranian fundamentalist who will try something. But when you get to religious values (the Prophet), then you are basically talking bad about God. If Jesus were portrayed in that manner then you will also see muslims rallying against the perpetrators. And, we are also disappointed in a way that America, which is mainly Christians, would let people portray Jesus in such a manner. Your so-called freedom of expression is the cause of so many youths with less and less religious values and who now are saying "it's ok to sin, as long as you believe Jesus is God then you are going to heaven" and now a lot are even turning to athiesm. It's dissappointing to me when i drive by and see a church being taken down, little kids cursing, little 12 yr olds wearing basically no clothes and so much make-up. Sorry, i'm going off subject. Ok, i agree they should be saying something more like "can't wait till 2008 elections" or something, and that would be looked at in a better way.

Iranians love americans?! LOL This is news to me but really when I said the Iranians I was just talking about the Iranian government, you know how that is right? By the way it is hard not to be influenced by what you see in hear, especially when you dont write off everything that is pro US and listen to everything that is Pro mideast, there are two sides to everything.

The iranian government is the same way, they don't have problems with people, as long as you are respectful to their culture and values. Ahmadinejad and Khomenai both like having conversations with people... and both have been to america.

You take care as well, I dont wish for war, but I dont wish to be constantly taunted indirectly and constantly told how my lifestyle and my countries lifestyle is wrong by people who dont even know what a lifestyle is because their country controls theirs. Again I will say Good Luck Iran

See, now this kinda sounds like a big bully. Saying you don't like getting taunted so you are going to beat up whoever is taunting you. If people talk, let them talk, their words are not doing anything to your pocket or your physicals, why worry if what they say is not true? That is a bad idiology, where you would rather have people die instead of 'being taunted'.

Anyways, lets not argue over stupid matters, takes tooo much time and will be useless in the end. We both agree that war is bad and terrible, so lets try to keep that option as far away as possible.

Kidman
 
Yes Iran is a model of tolerance. For example the treatment of Ba Hai followers. And if Iran is such a great place to be, why is it that so
many Iranians come to the USA for education, and then try to stay here?
Claiming political persecution? I would really like the answer to that one.

I have a lot of Bahai friends, and i know that they were treated very badly. In a way, the government in the past try to get rid of the bahai movement but were unsuccessful. Now, the people still torment the bahai's, not the government, but the government is kinda turning their face saying "we didn't see anything". That is wrong, and I believe it is better than the past, and the future for bahai's in iran are only getting better. I'm not saying Iran is perfect, because yes, the are still far from it... but they are not bad like a lot of people say. Especially the iranians here in america will usually talk really bad about iran or a bad experience they had way back in the day, it did get a lot better and is continuing to develop.
Sorry if you were looking for more of a debate... I know what people say and understand what it was, but also am looking at the future of Iran and what it will be (inshallah).

Kidman
 
Please don't associate us with those people, it's like us associating Christianity to the Preachers who molest little children, which we know is not true Christianity.
I am sorry for seemingly associating all Muslims to those people, my point to the comment was that the Americans are not the terrorist you should be looking for, if it were not those commiting the atrocites against their fellow Muslim in Iraq the US wouldnt even still be there

so they are dying for the government of America's own military agenda right?
No they will die before Americans would, should America sit idle while Iran whose government openly taunts and indirectly already threatens our security, creates a nuclear weapon. All they would have to do is stop what they are doing, let inspectors do their thing, have a little dialogue and they could have their nuclear power (peaceful)

Ohhh, i see, you are talking about governments. Of course they side with america, cause America is good at making deals (with the government) that would benefit the country as long as they side with America... But, i believe if you ask the majority of people... and i've been to Saudi, and they really dislike America, lol, even to the point where i was kinda scared to say i was american... but the majority of PEOPLE would dislike america more than Iran.
I think most of the people in these countries would either like america or at least like them more than Iran, as for the Saudis, did you ask them how they felt about Iranians? I can tell you that you may have recieved an even fouler response.

But when you get to religious values (the Prophet), then you are basically talking bad about God.
That is how catholics feel about the pope but that didnt stop anyone from burning caricatures of him
If Jesus were portrayed in that manner then you will also see muslims rallying against the perpetrators. And, we are also disappointed in a way that America, which is mainly Christians, would let people portray Jesus in such a manner. Your so-called freedom of expression is the cause of so many youths with less and less religious values and who now are saying "it's ok to sin, as long as you believe Jesus is God then you are going to heaven" and now a lot are even turning to athiesm. It's dissappointing to me when i drive by and see a church being taken down, little kids cursing, little 12 yr olds wearing basically no clothes and so much make-up. Sorry, i'm going off subject. Ok, i agree they should be saying something more like "can't wait till 2008 elections" or something, and that would be looked at in a better way.
Agreed, except for the freedom of expression part, the loss of values is because of the loss of parenting in my opinion. I have a daughter and I can gaurantee you that she will have plenty of moral and religious values.

The iranian government is the same way, they don't have problems with people, as long as you are respectful to their culture and values. Ahmadinejad and Khomenai both like having conversations with people... and both have been to america.
Perhaps, I wouldnt say they are always respectful of others cultures and values though and to get respect you must give it (I am speaking of the government)

See, now this kinda sounds like a big bully. Saying you don't like getting taunted so you are going to beat up whoever is taunting you. If people talk, let them talk, their words are not doing anything to your pocket or your physicals, why worry if what they say is not true? That is a bad idiology, where you would rather have people die instead of 'being taunted'.
There was a lot of taunting from OBL prior to 9/11, and that was the mentality prior to 9/11 but because of the actions taken after their taunting, one must be cautious of what he/she accepts as mere talk or as a warning of what might come. I would rather ensure my security rather than wait on my security to be breached, especially when it comes to a country like Iran obtaining WMD's

Anyways, lets not argue over stupid matters, takes tooo much time and will be useless in the end. We both agree that war is bad and terrible, so lets try to keep that option as far away as possible.
Kidman

I agree, that is why I like to think of this as a constructive discussion. War is bad and I hope it doesnt happen, but all iran has to do is let the inspectors, have some discussions and they could have their peaceful technology. However if they wish to continue on their path at some point someone will have to step in and say stop it or we will stop it. When it comes to my security, my families security and the security of my country, I have to agree with Bush, ALL options must be on the table
 
I am sorry for seemingly associating all Muslims to those people, my point to the comment was that the Americans are not the terrorist you should be looking for, if it were not those commiting the atrocites against their fellow Muslim in Iraq the US wouldnt even still be there
Hello MTAFFI,

In my point of view, America does terrorize people and supports terrorism also, and in that case are terrorist by their own definition. You can agree or not, but then we would have to discuss each event, so lets not go further then that unless we hang out or something, lol.

No they will die before Americans would, should America sit idle while Iran whose government openly taunts and indirectly already threatens our security, creates a nuclear weapon. All they would have to do is stop what they are doing, let inspectors do their thing, have a little dialogue and they could have their nuclear power (peaceful)
In Iran's eyes, America is taunting Iran... not by words but by actions. Critisizing every move the President makes, having so-called experts talk about Iran every second, then, when the President of Iran wanted to come to the U.N to explain their position, U.S holds back on giving them visa's was like a way of saying "ha, you can't move unless i tell you to." Iran wanted negociations, but America said "no, unless you stop everything right now, we will not even consider talking to you." So, based on this, who is at fault for not dialoging? Also, before 1979 when the Shah was in power (U.S's little puppet), Iran was allowed to enrich uranium and create nuclear power, but now that America cannot benefit from the new government, they automatically say they are using it to create a nuclear weapon.

Now, what will Iran gain from Attacking America? America has nothing to give Iran, Iran has a lot that America can benefit from. Would Iran attack a country, knowing they will not gain anything (except for maybe a title of standing up to the west), and knowing that doing such a war would have loss of life in Iran inadvertly? Of course not, the only reason they are pushing, is cause U.S pushed first and are basically telling Iran to follow their rules... and Iran is not one to submit.

I think most of the people in these countries would either like america or at least like them more than Iran, as for the Saudis, did you ask them how they felt about Iranians? I can tell you that you may have recieved an even fouler response.
They didn't really care too much about Iran. But, they might have been really fired up at the time against america because of the Iraq thing, i went a year and a half ago or so.

That is how catholics feel about the pope but that didnt stop anyone from burning caricatures of him
The pope is like the religious leader, like i said, Khomenai in Iran is like the same status, or the Grand Ayatolla Sistani in Iraq has millions of followers, but will never be on the same level as a Prophet or God.

Agreed, except for the freedom of expression part, the loss of values is because of the loss of parenting in my opinion. I have a daughter and I can gaurantee you that she will have plenty of moral and religious values.

Yes, loss of parenting is also it. But when your Government see's this, like the 12 year old, and doesn't say anything and stays silent... well, i don't know. You get what i'm saying. I'm glad you are raising your daughter with such values, but it is hard for a lot of people to raise a daughter with good values in this society. Example, my next door neighbors, raised two girls very good. LIke took them to church and everything, and they are really good parents from what i saw. Right when one of the girls turned 18 she ran away from home, just like that, with this guy or something without even telling her parents, and the cops were looking for her and when they found her they couldn't do anything... I don't know the full story and don't want to jump to anything. But the other girl turned out to be really good and i'm very happy that she's friends with my sister and stuff, cause they are really good girls. Anyways, not to scare you or anything, from talking to you i'm sure you will be a great parent and dad.

Perhaps, I wouldnt say they are always respectful of others cultures and values though and to get respect you must give it (I am speaking of the government)

Not as much as they should be, but they are getting there. The Prophet used to live with Christians and Jews, and used to get along great because they all respected each others religion. Even the time that he was leader of the area, he made all the Muslims to respect their religion, and let them build their own churches and places for worshipping God. Iran is almost the same way, but like if a Iranian beats up on a Jew just because he is a Jew, the government doesn't punish the Iranian as much as it should, and this is wrong.

There was a lot of taunting from OBL prior to 9/11, and that was the mentality prior to 9/11 but because of the actions taken after their taunting, one must be cautious of what he/she accepts as mere talk or as a warning of what might come. I would rather ensure my security rather than wait on my security to be breached, especially when it comes to a country like Iran obtaining WMD's
I can see that, but Iran never said they will attack. I explained this above. Iran has nothing to gain from attacking, and is very much against the killing of innocent people. Also, they do not at all like OBL, and they too believe he is unjust and a terrorist, and believe that he will go to hell for his actions. By trying to bully Iran, you will get nowhere. Why not have the discussions without trying to push Iran to stop what it is currently doing and putting a stop to its advancement in their society? To Iran, it seems like America is trying to keep Iran down. Do you see what i mean?

I agree, that is why I like to think of this as a constructive discussion. War is bad and I hope it doesnt happen, but all iran has to do is let the inspectors, have some discussions and they could have their peaceful technology. However if they wish to continue on their path at some point someone will have to step in and say stop it or we will stop it. When it comes to my security, my families security and the security of my country, I have to agree with Bush, ALL options must be on the table

But you can't just stop a person on it's way up in advancement. Its like, two competing business... one is of course bigger than the other. The smaller business is making some big moves, similar to what the bigger company did as well, the bigger company see this and 'feels threatened' and tells the smaller company to stop it's business until they are satisfied and they have their talks and discussions. The smaller business, like anyone, would be like "who are you to tell me to stop???" That is not fair. The smaller business is willing to talk, but they do not want to freeze their business to do so.

Again, Iran has nothing to gain but everything to lose if they fight with america, it is in their own interest to keep to themselves and that is what they want, but America comes and is telling them to stop what they are doing and etc... and Iran says that they are willing to have talks but they are not going to stop developing their country. Do you agree or understand why Iran is mad at U.S for trying to stop them in obtaining nuclear energy for the development of their country?

Anyways, i will be out this weekend visiting friends in Arizona. I'll be back next week. It has been very educational dialoging with you, hope you are in the best of health and that God is happy with all your deeds.

Kidman
Kidman
 
About a month ago, Iran succesfully launched missles to space. This means they can hit anywhere in the world correct me if I'm wrong.

The game has changed about a month ago, which is why Iran is announcing it's nuclear capabalities now.

US bet too much on Iraq, and there sources are extended to far, and from now on, like Nasrallah (ha) said, there will be nothing but victories after victories.

May God hasten the appearance of Imam Mahdi (as) and continue to help his (as) helpers and representives.

ws
 
Hello MTAFFI,

In my point of view, America does terrorize people and supports terrorism also, and in that case are terrorist by their own definition. You can agree or not, but then we would have to discuss each event, so lets not go further then that unless we hang out or something, lol.
Hey Kidman
Well until then we can just agree to disagree! and that is alright by me, everyone is entitled to their own opinion :D

In Iran's eyes, America is taunting Iran... not by words but by actions. Critisizing every move the President makes, having so-called experts talk about Iran every second, then, when the President of Iran wanted to come to the U.N to explain their position, U.S holds back on giving them visa's was like a way of saying "ha, you can't move unless i tell you to." Iran wanted negociations, but America said "no, unless you stop everything right now, we will not even consider talking to you." So, based on this, who is at fault for not dialoging? Also, before 1979 when the Shah was in power (U.S's little puppet), Iran was allowed to enrich uranium and create nuclear power, but now that America cannot benefit from the new government, they automatically say they are using it to create a nuclear weapon.
The US is no doubt taunting Iran right now, it is in response to the Iranian taunting, it sounds so childish doesnt it? My problem with Iran is the not stopping the enrichment, if it werent for their aggressive rhetoric in regards to Israel and their meetings with political figures from NK and being caught with plans for nuclear weapons and their military being very secretive about their involvement, I dont think the US would take such a tough stance with them. So the US isnt "automatically" saying they are using the technology for a nuclear weapon, there is very very good reason to believe that is precisely what they are doing.
Now, what will Iran gain from Attacking America? America has nothing to give Iran, Iran has a lot that America can benefit from. Would Iran attack a country, knowing they will not gain anything (except for maybe a title of standing up to the west), and knowing that doing such a war would have loss of life in Iran inadvertly? Of course not, the only reason they are pushing, is cause U.S pushed first and are basically telling Iran to follow their rules... and Iran is not one to submit.
I dont think the US is as worried about itself as it is Israel

from talking to you i'm sure you will be a great parent and dad.
Thank you very much I appreciate your vote of confidence

Not as much as they should be, but they are getting there. The Prophet used to live with Christians and Jews, and used to get along great because they all respected each others religion. Even the time that he was leader of the area, he made all the Muslims to respect their religion, and let them build their own churches and places for worshipping God. Iran is almost the same way, but like if a Iranian beats up on a Jew just because he is a Jew, the government doesn't punish the Iranian as much as it should, and this is wrong.
Agreed

I can see that, but Iran never said they will attack. I explained this above. Iran has nothing to gain from attacking, and is very much against the killing of innocent people. Also, they do not at all like OBL, and they too believe he is unjust and a terrorist, and believe that he will go to hell for his actions. By trying to bully Iran, you will get nowhere. Why not have the discussions without trying to push Iran to stop what it is currently doing and putting a stop to its advancement in their society? To Iran, it seems like America is trying to keep Iran down. Do you see what i mean?
I dont think it is to stop advancement in their society, I think that the US and the EU and the UN all just want to ensure their security, I can understand though how it may seem to Iran that the US is trying to keep them down with all that is going on in the world right now.

Again, Iran has nothing to gain but everything to lose if they fight with america, it is in their own interest to keep to themselves and that is what they want, but America comes and is telling them to stop what they are doing and etc... and Iran says that they are willing to have talks but they are not going to stop developing their country. Do you agree or understand why Iran is mad at U.S for trying to stop them in obtaining nuclear energy for the development of their country?
I could understand if there wasnt as much evidence to support that Iran is not only out to obtain energy. I think that in this issue Iran is covering up and telling people one thing and doing the exact opposite. Also it isnt just the US trying to get them to stop enrichment, if they would just show a little cooperation with the rest of the world, I am sure that they would greatly benefit.
Anyways, i will be out this weekend visiting friends in Arizona. I'll be back next week. It has been very educational dialoging with you, hope you are in the best of health and that God is happy with all your deeds.

Kidman
Kidman

Well have a great trip and I hope your travels are quick and safe. The dialoge has been very beneficial, I wish the best for you

PEACE
 
About a month ago, Iran succesfully launched missles to space. This means they can hit anywhere in the world correct me if I'm wrong.

The game has changed about a month ago, which is why Iran is announcing it's nuclear capabalities now.

US bet too much on Iraq, and there sources are extended to far, and from now on, like Nasrallah (ha) said, there will be nothing but victories after victories.

May God hasten the appearance of Imam Mahdi (as) and continue to help his (as) helpers and representives.

ws

launching a missle into space and launching a missle carrying a nuclear payload are two totally different things. The US is not extended as far as you may think, Irans nuclear capabilities are still in the infant stage and at the rate they are going I suspect they will not mature.
 
It wasn't any type of missle, if you want to make yourself feel better about Iran's millitary and nuclear capabalities by denying what they have already accompished, then go ahead, whatever helps you sleep at night.
 
It wasn't any type of missle, if you want to make yourself feel better about Iran's millitary and nuclear capabalities by denying what they have already accompished, then go ahead, whatever helps you sleep at night.

I really dont think you know what you are talking about, I was just trying to help you sound a little more intelligent, but if you want to be ignorant or one sided then that is your perogative,:blind: Iran has a missle that could carry a small nuke as far as central Europe, but no further, they could not hit anywhere in the world, you are quite simply wrong. As far as their nuclear capabilities, they havent even acheived 3000 centrifuges, which is by no means industrial, that is just Ahmadinjhad and is big bark. But hey as you said "whatever helps you sleep at night":D
 
Mtaffi, go against a country that isn't weak. Then we'll see how far your muscles can be flexed. Why only go for the oil wealthy countries? Korea would have bombed you to Kingdom come, but you were all stiff scared. So went to talks with them.

I only side with Iran, because of the anger I have for the invasion of Iraq for nothing more than oil. You kill civillains and then pay them a few hundred dollars (which has just been leaked out) compensation. I'd like to see the same happen in the US. See how you like it. You've destroyed a country, and you're not liberators of any sort. Just power hungry cretins. Iran is wrong too at times, but the only reason i side with them is, the defaince they show bushy wushy, whom I LOATHE!! - He's a white hitler, and as soon as he gets a bullet in his head, the sooner the world will be a better place.
 
Mtaffi, go against a country that isn't weak. Then we'll see how far your muscles can be flexed. Why only go for the oil wealthy countries? Korea would have bombed you to Kingdom come, but you were all stiff scared. So went to talks with them.

Avar
I have always regarded you on this site as a funny yet intelligent person who offers a different perspective, but after this little speech, I am not sure if you are just having a bad day, I am not sure what to think of you. I suppose I will start with you thinking that Korea could "boom the US to kingdom come". First off that is simply not true, Korea doesnt even have a missle that could reach the US, and even if they did do you think it would ever have reach US airspace? You would be stupid to think such a thing, they were and are on constant surveilance, the missle wouldnt have left the ground before exploding on their own soil. As far as fighting a bigger nation to flex muscle, I would have picked Russia or China to do that, but since we get along with them ok and Russia already lost to the US once I dont see that happening.

I only side with Iran, because of the anger I have for the invasion of Iraq for nothing more than oil. You kill civillains and then pay them a few hundred dollars (which has just been leaked out) compensation. I'd like to see the same happen in the US. See how you like it. You've destroyed a country, and you're not liberators of any sort. Just power hungry cretins. Iran is wrong too at times, but the only reason i side with them is, the defaince they show bushy wushy, whom I LOATHE!! - He's a white hitler, and as soon as he gets a bullet in his head, the sooner the world will be a better place.

Do tell, what oil has the US recieved from Iraq? Has any been taken? Do we even get our oil from Iraq? NO NO and NO, that is pure ignorance flowing from your mouth.

Please provide a link for the "compensation" and please show how it is a bad thing, to compensate people whose family may have accidentally become a casualty.

If you want to show Iran support then go for it, I am not opposing that, what I do oppose is Iran obtaining WMD, and I think that the vast majority of the rest of the world agrees that WMD's should vanish and no more countries need to develop them. I am not saying that the US should have them either, but I dont see the US developing any new ones either, and why should we have to destroy what we put so much money into, what we invented and developed.

As far as being power hungry cretins and people who do not liberate, we will see just what the US's real role in Iraq is when 2008 rolls around and the democrats take control and remove the troops from Iraq. You will see who is truly power hungry when the groups in Iraq escalate the violence and kill each other in mass numbers without any presence to stop the different factions from direct confrontation. See who is really after the oil then

I would suggest you actually take time to think before your respond so that you dont come off a such a one sided, ignorant hatemonger
 

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