Iranian converts to Christianity

I wasn't meaning to make this about war. Jesus chose to submit to violence rather than rise up against it, so that's my bias. I still don't buy Islam, and don't find it rational. The "one man" is Muhammad, and if I'm not mistaken, a lot is riding on whether or not he told the truth, is that right?
 
^So? The same can be said about Jesus can't you? Your whole belief is based on his truthfulness in actually being God. Or more specifically, the accuracy of your scripture which claim he was.

And isn't Jesus the same God who ordered Moses to engage in war in the first place, by your beliefs? What different does it make that just because a few thousand year ago he changed his mind and now wants mankind to be peaceful and without war? Still the same God isn't it?

Submitting to violence has no place in Islam because we consider it cowardly and we recognise that the Islamic state has the duty of protecting its citizens.

What is the difference then? ^o)
 
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brenton said:
I wasn't meaning to make this about war. Jesus chose to submit to violence rather than rise up against it, so that's my bias. I still don't buy Islam, and don't find it rational. The "one man" is Muhammad, and if I'm not mistaken, a lot is riding on whether or not he told the truth, is that right?
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we believe Allah(swt) sent many Prophets(PBUT) and they all told the truth.

We believe Allah(swt) revealed his word to many people, usually through the Angels. We recognize all of the Prophets(PBUT) and none is greater than any other. Muhammad(sww) is unique because he is the last Prophet. The Qur'an is Allah(swt) final word. This is it, no more revelations, last call, wake up time.

He(swt) has sent his Word to all people through many Prophets(PBUT) we know the names of some, the rest we do not know. But, they spoke to all of the people in all of the lands. In the past his word has been ignored, lost, and changed. In his Mercy, as we approach the final days, Allah(swt) sent his word one last time and to all mankind through one final Prophet(PBUH)
 
Oh my goodness, not again.

I have found the equivilant of trigger happy american troops, it must be trigger happy muslims da'es.

Why is it as soon as a person makes a claim everyone jumps on it, is that the best way? Imagine you made a claim and everyone just jumped on you, would you even care to listen.

I don't know, I just urge anyone, muslim or not muslim not to write in a state of hyper activity.

Eesa.
 
i'm so glad people are converting to christianity!!!

it's amazing, because a lot of these people convert because they have dreams of christ.. clearly God is showing signs. :)
 
thirdwatch512 said:
it's amazing, because a lot of these people convert because they have dreams of christ.. clearly God is showing signs. :)
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Are you serious?:uuh:

Please tell me they don't take the dream as the ONLY reason to convert?
 
Malaikah said:
^So? The same can be said about Jesus can't you? Your whole belief is based on his truthfulness in actually being God. Or more specifically, the accuracy of your scripture which claim he was.

And isn't Jesus the same God who ordered Moses to engage in war in the first place, by your beliefs? What different does it make that just because a few thousand year ago he changed his mind and now wants mankind to be peaceful and without war? Still the same God isn't it?

Submitting to violence has no place in Islam because we consider it cowardly and we recognise that the Islamic state has the duty of protecting its citizens.

What is the difference then? ^o)
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I didn't want to make this polemical until someone went on about Christians and ooey gooey feelings versus Muslims and rationality. Yes, a lot rides on Jesus too. The difference:
First, the community experienced the last revelations in Christianity, so there are many to hold each other accountable; in Islam, only one person experienced the last revelations, so there is no one that can hold him accountable.
Second, I compare the character of the two, and that is where it all comes off for me.

I'm a university prof; what I do is look at religion critically. I just don't find Islam to be as rational as it says. That's all. It isn't about war (that was just mentioned as part of the "character" issue), or one issue at all. It just doesn't make sense.
 
Anyone who tries promoting their faith can do so elsewhere :) If it continues, warnings will be issued.


Regards.
 
Salaam/peace;

brenton said:
...... I compare the character of the two, and that is where it all comes off for me.
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---I don't understand this point. To Christians , Jesus (p) is God. So , how can u compare God to a human being ? Don't u think , u r degrading ur diety ?


If u want to compare Jesus (p) with anyone , it should be with his father or the holy Spirit , whom u think as co-equal of Jesus (p).



God can not be compared with His Creation .


It's strange that Christians claim that Jesus (p) is God & at the same time , they compare him with a
' false ' Prophet . May God show us all the right path , Ameen.
 
Fi_Sabilillah said:
Anyone who tries promoting their faith can do so elsewhere :) If it continues, warnings will be issued.


Regards.
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I presume this was me?
I wasn't trying to do this. Someone made a claim about Christianity (it is only emotional, not rational), and I responded to it.
 
brenton said:
I presume this was me?
I wasn't trying to do this. Someone made a claim about Christianity (it is only emotional, not rational), and I responded to it.
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No no, not you lol. Don't worry, sorry if it made you feel i was targeting you. I deleted the other post anyway. :)


Regards.
 

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