Iran's Power stations

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Keltoi said:
Hmmm, they fund every conflict on the planet...I suppose you have proof of this? Oh wait..I forgot, it is up to me to prove that your claim isn't true. :enough!:
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You know it's true, yet you only believe what your narrow mind allows you to.:omg:
 
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Keltoi said:
The danger with any nation developing nuclear weapons is proliferation. Iran hasn't shown itself to be a responsible party when the proliferation of weapons comes up.
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Even the US stole its scientists and technology for nuclear program from Germany.

So really its back to basics, what makes the west so superior? Dont all humans have the same right?

So I say every nation on this Earth has the right to develop any thing they want to develop.
 
akulion said:
Even the US stole its scientists and technology for nuclear program from Germany.

So really its back to basics, what makes the west so superior? Dont all humans have the same right?

So I say every nation on this Earth has the right to develop any thing they want to develop.
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So should every nation then be allowed to use what they develop however they want?
 
akulion said:
Even the US stole its scientists and technology for nuclear program from Germany.

So really its back to basics, what makes the west so superior? Dont all humans have the same right?

So I say every nation on this Earth has the right to develop any thing they want to develop.
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The difficulty is that the era of nations is coming to an end. Clear defined physical boundaries are not longer the limits of what a country does. The impact of every development no longer affects just what is done within a countries walls. True if we develop things that will not extend beyond our own borders there is no reason for anybody to curtail it. However, now anything anybody does is going to reason of concern to every other person on earth.

I'm opposed to nuclear energy for all nations so my concern about Iran's powers stations is very biased. But, I feel that if the world has agreed that some nations can have it, then it should be that all can. However, I also believe that all nations should be subject to tight controls as to how they use it and that there needs to be international inspection of all nuclear countries to verify that it is being used properly. Of course I have no idea as to how that could be effectively done.
 
In my limited way of thinking, ;D I think every country with nuclear missiles should aim it into space and blast it off. Our galaxy is large and we wouldn't have to deal with the aftermath :X
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
US have. so nit pick there.
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So should we also be able to use it without restriction however we want? Should there not be any rules regarding the disposal of the after product? If you cant afford to feed your own people or at the very least create a stable economy and healthy living enviroment for even 95% of your people, then should you at the same time be allowed to produce an energy so powerful it could destroy the entire earth?
 
MTAFFI said:
So should we also be able to use it without restriction however we want? Should there not be any rules regarding the disposal of the after product? If you cant afford to feed your own people or at the very least create a stable economy and healthy living enviroment for even 95% of your people, then should you at the same time be allowed to produce an energy so powerful it could destroy the entire earth?
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Well the earth weill be destroyed just as it was created but that will be Gods doing not ours.

Yes they should, BUT look at UK and US, how much do we spend on arms etc? Yet poverty is still not eradicated just look at Orleans. So what you say has a point to an extent. But pracitice what you preach comes to mind.

Iran should not be made to do anything by other countries. And you may notice the west all think they are right, yet all others are wrong. Israel/US/UK are all powers trying to bully others into their way of thinking. It won't be tolerated.
 
Keltoi said:
Hmmm, they fund every conflict on the planet...I suppose you have proof of this? Oh wait..I forgot, it is up to me to prove that your claim isn't true. :enough!:
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Which country was the only in the World to use WMDS To this day. USA! Like they say, USA is always number 1!
 
I think we should sell nukes on ebay. That way everyone could have one. :?
 
Yeah but who has the will to use one. Dont say Osama bin laden, remember he is a Religious Extremist and follows the Extremist ways of Islam. Therefore if he is so hardcore with the religion, he will follow its basic principals by not murdering Mass Amounts of innocent civilians, this OPINION of mine is provided the fact that there is no HARD Evidence linking him to 9/11.
 
wilberhum said:
I think we should sell nukes on ebay. That way everyone could have one. :?
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It would be one way the US could get rid of the stock pile it has no idea of how to dispose of. They are harder to get rid of than a visiting Mother-in-Law.

Sometimes I think we should just give a few hundred to every country that thinks they want them. Let them waste their budget for the maintenance of them.
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
Well the earth weill be destroyed just as it was created but that will be Gods doing not ours.
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Perhaps that is how it should be, but that doesnt mean that if someone wanted to they couldnt blow the world up, I mean if Bush got on this site and read the things said about him and then took another look at the public opinion polls, who knows he might just do it...lol... j/k

AvarAllahNoor said:
Yes they should, BUT look at UK and US, how much do we spend on arms etc? Yet poverty is still not eradicated just look at Orleans. So what you say has a point to an extent. But pracitice what you preach comes to mind.
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The US can afford to spend money on arms its economy and people are better off than most if not all of the rest of the world. New Orleans was a tragedy, but do not forget the majority of those people were living in government housing, so really they didnt lose anything, the government lost everything down there. Also most of those people have new homes and lives now, think if that happened in Iran, or many other countries. Also keep in mind, poverty will never be eradicated, there will always be people who simply dont want to work, or work low level jobs, the problem Iran has is there is to many low paying jobs whereas the average US income is around $30,000.00 right now I think. (feel free to ream me if I am wrong)
AvarAllahNoor said:
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Iran should not be made to do anything by other countries. And you may notice the west all think they are right, yet all others are wrong. Israel/US/UK are all powers trying to bully others into their way of thinking. It won't be tolerated.
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The west in this case is right, I admit in many cases the West has been wrong but no country or person is perfect. Iran with nuclear weapons is a huge problem, and would inevitably lead to serious conflict and possibly nuclear war. Rather than worrying about who is being "bullied" I worry about what the world will be like for my children when they grow up.

Personally I think Iran has every right to produce nuclear power, however their actions, talk, refusal to allow cameras in key places, refusals to inspectors, etc lead myself and many others to believe there endeavor is not peaceful in nature. If they cant be responsible for such a thing then they should be prevented from obtaining it, not because the west says so or because they are Muslim, or because anyone wants to prevent them from technological advances, but because everyone has to live on Earth and they should not be allowed the means of destroying it or any part of it.
 
MTAFFI said:
Personally I think Iran has every right to produce nuclear power, however their actions, talk, refusal to allow cameras in key places, refusals to inspectors, etc lead myself and many others to believe there endeavor is not peaceful in nature. If they cant be responsible for such a thing then they should be prevented from obtaining it, not because the west says so or because they are Muslim, or because anyone wants to prevent them from technological advances, but because everyone has to live on Earth and they should not be allowed the means of destroying it or any part of it.
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I agree with this.

What is the solutiom in your view?
 
MTAFFI said:
Personally I think Iran has every right to produce nuclear power, however their actions, talk, refusal to allow cameras in key places, refusals to inspectors, etc lead myself and many others to believe there endeavor is not peaceful in nature.
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Agreed, also. The simple fact, which the Iranians choose to ignore, is that there is no problem whatsoever in operating nuclear power stations if the country (having previously signed the non-proliferation treaty) concerned agrees to and co-operates with the inspections that ensure the facilities are not used to produce weapons. Brazil is a good example. As I understand it Malaysia was also proceeding in that fashion until the discovery of new oil reserves made a nuclear program unnecessary (no doubt any Malaysians will correct me if I'm wrong.) Bangladesh, Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco and Indonesia are all building research reactors with the ultimate aim of producing electricity. All muslim nations, yet no talk of sanctions there! Spot the difference! You got it. They don't want bombs, and agreed to inspections.

If Iran, as it claims, has no intention of constructing nuclear weapons there is no reason whatsoever not to agree to IAEA inspections. A continued refusal can indicate only one possible conclusion, which, amazingly, is the one everybody on the Security Council has come to, hence the sanctions. They want nuclear weapons. There may, or may not be, reasons and a valid debate as to whether they should have them or not, but nobody should fool themselves as regard to Iranian intent. The case is closed.

The solution, of course, is obvious. NOBODY should have nuclear weapons, the US, UK, China, Israel, Iran, Al Qaeda, anybody. The only constructive contributions to the nuclear debate are geared towards that objective, and that objective only. The rest achieve nothing. If they exist in the world, sooner or later somebody will use them.
 
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AvarAllahNoor said:
I agree with this.

What is the solutiom in your view?
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I was going to answer but it seems trumble summed it up pretty well, I think the only solution would be for Iran to stop enrichment and allow inspectors in, allow cameras wherever necessary, gain the trust of the world and then pursue nuclear powered electricity. They can continue on the track they are on however I think Ahmadinejad said it best right now they are a runaway train without brakes, this will inevitably lead to a conflict. Let just hope they wise up and do the right thing, if they arent pursuing nuclear weapons it shouldnt even be an issue.
 
MTAFFI said:
I was going to answer but it seems trumble summed it up pretty well, I think the only solution would be for Iran to stop enrichment and allow inspectors in, allow cameras wherever necessary, gain the trust of the world and then pursue nuclear powered electricity. They can continue on the track they are on however I think Ahmadinejad said it best right now they are a runaway train without brakes, this will inevitably lead to a conflict. Let just hope they wise up and do the right thing, if they arent pursuing nuclear weapons it shouldnt even be an issue.
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I think they are. But why should it all come to halt because we say so? It's their perogative. They are being secretive because we're telling them to stop because we don't like it. Only solution is, US/UK stop demanding and let them continue. And making sure they all work together rather than against. :statisfie
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
I think they are. But why should it all come to halt because we say so? It's their perogative. They are being secretive because we're telling them to stop because we don't like it. Only solution is, US/UK stop demanding and let them continue. And making sure they all work together rather than against. :statisfie
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US/UK stop demanding? How about the UN? Oh I forgot the US/UK own the UN. How about France and the others? Or is it just a case all your hate is aimed at the US/UK?
 
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