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I don't think they will go anywhere even if the occupation ends. The country is in chaos. Iraq is probably going to be like this for quite a while...
Iraq Prepares "Final" Battle with Al-Qaeda in Iraq
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I don't think they will go anywhere even if the occupation ends. The country is in chaos. Iraq is probably going to be like this for quite a while...
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I don't think they will go anywhere even if the occupation ends. The country is in chaos. Iraq is probably going to be like this for quite a while...
Give it time, I'm sure It'l be back to it's original status soon.
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Or will it end up a failed state like Somalia, or empoverished like Vietnam?
And how do we know that somebody in the region is not out there to gobble up this broken mess? Iran might feel like paying another visit...
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Or will it end up a failed state like Somalia, or empoverished like Vietnam?
And how do we know that somebody in the region is not out there to gobble up this broken mess? Iran might feel like paying another visit...
You forget silly, Iran are fundng the 'terrorism' there...
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something interesting i came across today - http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fakealqaeda.html
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Maybe the Iranians are funding terrorism not to kick out the Americans, but to make it hard for the Iraqi government to defend Iraq against an Iranian invasion?
Or is this going to conspiracy theory levels?
In fact they do not even recognize 9/11 as acts terrorism and they have never described 9/11 as acts of terrorism.
There is a reason for why Bin Laden sends his videos directly to Al-Jazeera instead of any other channel.
Maybe the Iranians are funding terrorism not to kick out the Americans, but to make it hard for the Iraqi government to defend Iraq against an Iranian invasion?
Or is this going to conspiracy theory levels?
Iran is shia, and the Iraqi government is a shia regime who wants a unity between Iran and Iraq, they want Iraq to be 100% shia and the only way Iraq is going to be that way, is if they become one with Iran.
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Maybe the Iranians are funding terrorism not to kick out the Americans, but to make it hard for the Iraqi government to defend Iraq against an Iranian invasion?
Or is this going to conspiracy theory levels?
You're way ahead dude!
I doubt they have such ideas. - They support Palestine, even though they are Sunnis. Lets leave the theories to dubya and his cronies.
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Yes...go to Google and type in "preposterous 9-11 conspiracies for those who cannot accept that 3000 people were murdered by killers who invoked Islam"
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keep believing tall tales. Even lets say if that is true, how does that justify 1 million MURDERED in Iraq who didn't even have anything to do with 9-11.
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Yes, keep believing in tall tales. You love any lie that justifies you hate. I had hoped the hajj would get you closer to god and further from hate. Those hopes faded really fast.
Your one million murdered is just your standard distortion to justify your hate.
But what ever the real number is, I find it totally unjustified.
The difference between you and me is that I'm not a bald faced lier who hates my country and every thing that does not suite my beliefs.
Al Qaeda or w/e the bloody name is killed thousands of civilians and that is wrong by human law and even greater the law of his majesty Allah SWT. The Prophet pbuh gave strict commands on who to fight if fighting was needed. forget killing civilians were no even allowed to pollute the water or cut trees. We only fight those who also choose to fight. the others are left in peace.
In islam you can fight in self-defence or in order to preach your religion. Bin Laden is fighting purely in self-defence, he isnt the ones constantly attacking and starting new conflicts and wars. The only officially confirmed attack by al-Qaida is the 9/11, but why do you considere those people who died for innocent civilians? Those same people who died were the people who payed their government millions of dollars, money that was later used to kill muslims.
I'm not saying that it justefies the attack, but I'm saying that those 3000 who died were in fact not innocent civilians! They chose to live in america, and therby chose to pay the forces that traumatize every muslims life, they could have simply left america but they chose not to!
They were not innocent civilians, they were the wheels holding and moving the car forward. A civilian is someone who do not support his governments actions in any way, those people clearly did!
The prophet talked at a age were you could chose who to kill and who not to! Today people dont fight with swords, you cant specifically chose who to kill and some times unarmed people will be killed. Now al-Qaida has no army what so ever, so how are they supposed to fight back otherwise?
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No actually its a confirmed number by the North-Iraqi (Kurdish) government, and sunnis claim very much the same. Only the shiits claim a bit less (600.000-880.000).
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That's soothing to read. :statisfie
I think certain things are said in the heat of the moment. (I should know look at my last few posts in the Sikh thread) At the end of the day, we all ned to keep our heads over such things. Such conflicts are not new, and sadly it won't be the last.
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Whoa brother!! Regardless of who is responsible for 911, Muslims, Al-Queda, or green leprechauns, to say these 3000 were NOT innocents in the eyes of Islam is TOTALLY WRONG!! There were babies on those planes, women, elderly and NON COMBATANTS! The same holds true for those inside the buildings and those below it. Islam does NOT permit the killing of innocents and non combatants even if they are ON the battlefield!! Remember the woman that was killed on the battlefield and what Prophet Muhammed, pbuh, said about that?
How can you even attempt to say these people were not innocents!!??!! Nowhere will you find it is ok to target civilians ANYWHERE in Islam!
How dare you try to alter the words of Prophet Muhammed, pbuh, by suggesting his words don't hold true today?? He was chosen and guided directly by God, His word stands the test of time, brother!!
If you want to believe this behavior is justified in Islam that's up to you, but stop twisting text to make it fit or suggesting the word of God does not stand the test of time. MAN does this, NOT God!!!
Astagfurillah
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You have no idea if children even were on those planes, nor have you got any idea if children were inside the two trading buildings.
Those people were unarmed but that doesnt mean that they were innocent civilians. Woman are not THAT holy in Islam! Condoleezza Rice, would you not kill her?
The people who died were not armed, but as I just mentioned; that does not mean that they were innocent.
1400 years ago on the battlefield, you had a sword and a army of men in front of you to kill. You had full controle of who you were going to stab with your sword, today you DONT! al-Qaida is not even capeable of fighting with weopens, they did the only thing they could! They couldn't chose who to kill and who not to kill, but the prophet and who ever lived in his age could chose!
How can you call the people who pay the forces that traumatize muslims, innocent civilians? YOU CANT!
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I do know there were babies on those planes. And every Muslim living in America paying taxes has contributed to those forces, so by your definition and logic, it's ok that Muslims are killed. UNARMED MEANS NON COMBATANTS!! THEY DID NOT TAKE UP ARMS NOR DID THEY SHOW AGGRESSION TOWARDS ANY ISLAMIC COUNTRY!!
No, I would not systematically kill Rice unless she was attacking me or my people in my land. PERIOD! And, my dear brother, I suggest you look at the status of women in Islam and learn why Prophet Muhammed did not permit the killing of innocent women, children and the elderly. It has nothing to do with them being Holy! The Qur'an was revealed 1400 years ago and still stands true today and to say different is putting you outside the folds of Islam!! Does it mean that I can eat pork now because it is properly raised in clean environments today? Can I, as a woman, be the head of my household because times have changed, according to Islam? Can I stand alone as a witness now that times have changed?
Brother, I will not argue about this with you. I told you what I feel is right and I strongly suggest you look into it deeper on your own.
I hope and pray, Allah, swt, will continue to guide us both. Ameen
Wasalam,
Hana
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