Iraqi Kids taunted in Facebook video

[shuraimfan4lyf]

Everyone please stop giving him attention, he likes it obviously and comes back with more ugly, sick, ill-minded posts.

 

[جوري]

Everyone please stop giving him attention, he likes it obviously and comes back with more ugly, sick, ill-minded posts.

maybe he is one of the bush twin out to exonerate the sins of 'its' father?

 

[Ramadhan]

That's your point of view, a pretty crappy one at that. If you believe that atheists have no morals, perhaps I should believe that all Muslims are terrorists, is that fair enough ?

Actually, judging by what you have been saying here (which is plain to see), many would agree that you have extremely low moral standards, and a skewed one at that.
Meanwhile, nothing at all would indicate that muslims in this forum are terrorists. So go ahead in saying all muslims are terrorists, because it would only expose how little braincells you have been using.

 

[Ramadhan]

They did enlist voluntarily, and most don't enlist because they want to kill, but because it offers good opportunities, most do it to get enough money in order to get a decent education. And once you're a soldier, you hardly have a choice where you're going to be posted.

So that means death is part of their job risks, right?
What you wrote above only strengthen my arguments, did you realize that?

"And as Muslims we must support our brothers in Iraq and hence we wish the soldiers death," I guess Islam isn't all that big on peace.

Islam is a peaceful religion, but Islam is also founded on justice.
Whenever a muslim is oppressed, they are obligated to fight the opression.

unlike other religions (including atheism) who talks bull about enlightments, love, give the enemy other cheek etc who in practice are much more violent, war mongering tyrants and unjust.

 

[AinEstonia]

Wait a minute, did you even think about what you typed? The soldier who is there invading the country is the same soldier who is there mocking the people, or in this case the kid. Does it really matter that he is making jokes? He is there invading the freaking country. He wasn't sent there on a mission to make jokes. That is enough of an excuse to hate him. Or does that make too much sense to you?

If you hate that soldier solely for invading your country, I'm all good with it, but if you hate the soldier solely for making a bad joke, I just find that stupid.

Everyone please stop giving him attention, he likes it obviously and comes back with more ugly, sick, ill-minded posts.

You don't like dissent ? Hard to believe that your definition of "ugly, sick, ill-minded" is when a person doesn't want a person harmed solely because that person made a rubbish joke.

maybe he is one of the bush twin out to exonerate the sins of 'its' father?

No, I'm not. And I don't think that the sins of your relative are your sins anyways.

Actually, judging by what you have been saying here (which is plain to see), many would agree that you have extremely low moral standards, and a skewed one at that.
Meanwhile, nothing at all would indicate that muslims in this forum are terrorists. So go ahead in saying all muslims are terrorists, because it would only expose how little braincells you have been using.

What have I said that you consider to be so immoral ?
And that's besides the point, you're generalizing again.
If you define all atheists as immoral, then wouldn't it be fair if everyone defined Muslims as terrorists ? It's the same thing, generalizing, and I would think that's bad and not reasonable.

So that means death is part of their job risks, right?
What you wrote above only strengthen my arguments, did you realize that?



Islam is a peaceful religion, but Islam is also founded on justice.
Whenever a muslim is oppressed, they are obligated to fight the opression.

unlike other religions (including atheism) who talks bull about enlightments, love, give the enemy other cheek etc who in practice are much more violent, war mongering tyrants and unjust.

Death is part of a soldier's job, and how does what I said strengthen your arguments ?
Kill as many soldiers as you want for invading a nation, but then just say that, don't say that it's reasonable to harm a person for making a bad joke.
And just so you would know, atheism isn't a religion. That reminds me of a quote:"If atheism is a religion, then bald is a hair color."

 

[Ramadhan]

What have I said that you consider to be so immoral ?
And that's besides the point, you're generalizing again.
If you define all atheists as immoral, then wouldn't it be fair if everyone defined Muslims as terrorists ? It's the same thing, generalizing, and I would think that's bad and not reasonable.

HUH?
where and when did I say you are immoral?
I think you have very poor reading comprehension, on top of difficulties in processing information.
Now, go back and read everything I wrote as responses to your posts, and this time do it s-l-o-w-l-y.

Anyway, please go ahead and call all muslims terrorists.

Death is part of a soldier's job, and how does what I said strengthen your arguments ?
Kill as many soldiers as you want for invading a nation, but then just say that, don't say that it's reasonable to harm a person for making a bad joke.

Again, do as I said in the above.
It seems you got lost somewhere in all these posts replies.

And just so you would know, atheism isn't a religion. That reminds me of a quote:"If atheism is a religion, then bald is a hair color."

fine, atheism is a belief, not a religion. Let amend the sentence:

unlike other beliefs (including atheism) who talks bull about enlightments, love, give the enemy other cheek etc who in practice are much more violent, war mongering tyrants and unjust.

 

[AinEstonia]

HUH?
where and when did I say you are immoral?
I think you have very poor reading comprehension, on top of difficulties in processing information.
Now, go back and read everything I wrote as responses to your posts, and this time do it s-l-o-w-l-y.

Anyway, please go ahead and call all muslims terrorists.



Again, do as I said in the above.
It seems you got lost somewhere in all these posts replies.



fine, atheism is a belief, not a religion. Let amend the sentence:

unlike other beliefs (including atheism) who talks bull about enlightments, love, give the enemy other cheek etc who in practice are much more violent, war mongering tyrants and unjust.

Okay, you consider me to have very "low moral standards", what have I said that makes you have that kind of a view ?
And if you call atheism a belief, then call not believing in Santa Claus a belief as well
And I'm not gonna call all Muslim terrorists, even if some are. I was just making an example, perhaps not the politest one, but an example nevertheless. I don't generalize, it's not reasonable.

 

[marwen]

Why do I have a feeling that in your eyes every person who disagrees with you is "convinced" by the media.

No I don't say every one who disagrees with me is convinced by the media. But when you repeat the same false scenario of some media, then you are convinced by it. If you don't agree with these media, why you repeat the same ideas.

And have I argued that US soldiers are in Iraq on a noble mission ? I do not say that the war in Iraq was justified.

Ok, good to hear that, because you seemed to have the opposite viewpoint.

So from your viewpoint, US wants to reduce the number of Muslims ?

Yes. That's not a viewpoint. That's a fact.

Sooner or later the bulk of US troops will leave Iraq, it's not like Americans want troops to be there, nor the soldiers.

If these troops leave, that's because they will have no more interests in Iraq. No brother, Americans want troops to be there to serve their greed and their projects. The soldiers are the tool of the american government, may be they hesitated before going to Iraq, but they are still guilty because they are doing something wrong and they know that.

How are they fueling violence ? I hope you're not gonna say: " By making these kind of jokes to little children," cause that would just be ridiculous.

Not exactly by making jokes, but for example : by bombing whole cities, by killing children and women, by emprisoning every man, by shooting every one who has a beard, by making the different iraqi movements agianst each other. That's what's going on in iraq man, and the US government is promoting these acts to extend its presence there.
Please try to see the truth just one single time.

 

[omar ibrahim]

Invaders are those who participate in an invasion and it obviously was an invasion, whether that invasion was justified or not, that's a different matter, most people tend to say "No", and I agree with that. Some soldiers are better than others, in the 2007 video where an US Apache opened fire on civilians, when the gunner heard he had wounded 2 kids, he responded by saying: " Well it's their fault for bringing kids into war," but there was a soldier on the ground who when seeing those wounded children rushed up to them and helped them, so obviously you shouldn't say that all soldiers are messed up.
A soldier making childish jokes isn't that bad, better that than shooting those kids.

get out of the country,people will live more peacefully without you.The proplem is that you think that is better than shotting the kids as it is something just bad.Dont mess up the soldier is making a joke over 1.3 b muslims in the world in an islamic country which we consider it to be invated,even though there are some good soldiers,our message to the good soldier simply is to leave any islamic country whether iraq or afganistan ...etc.

 

[omar ibrahim]

Okay, you consider me to have very "low moral standards", what have I said that makes you have that kind of a view ?
And if you call atheism a belief, then call not believing in Santa Claus a belief as well
And I'm not gonna call all Muslim terrorists, even if some are. I was just making an example, perhaps not the politest one, but an example nevertheless. I don't generalize, it's not reasonable.

and also the American soldiers are terrorists except for few because they are terrorizing people in ira.the brother considered atheism as a belief because atheists mostly put their trust on scientists and the theory of science.For example if you ask an atheist how this life came to exestance he or she mostly would tell you that their was a big bang and after that their was like a broton the small thing i am not sure about its name and the life start from the water and you know the evolution started this is in brief.What i am trying to say is that an atheist hold a very huge belief.

 

[AinEstonia]

No I don't say every one who disagrees with me is convinced by the media. But when you repeat the same false scenario of some media, then you are convinced by it. If you don't agree with these media, why you repeat the same ideas.

What ideas do I keep repeating that have been fueled by media ?

Yes. That's not a viewpoint. That's a fact.

So when US had a presence in Vietnam it was because US wanted to kill every Vietnamese ?
When US had a presence in Korea it was because US wanted to kill every Korean ?
Plus, if US wanted to kill every Muslim, why don't they have any gas chambers, it would be far more efficient than going around the street and shooting every nearby Muslim.

If these troops leave, that's because they will have no more interests in Iraq. No brother, Americans want troops to be there to serve their greed and their projects. The soldiers are the tool of the american government, may be they hesitated before going to Iraq, but they are still guilty because they are doing something wrong and they know that.

Are you saying that every single American supports the Iraq War ? What's with people and generalizing. Some Americans are greedy, others are not. Some Muslims are terrorists, others are not. Some people are bad, others are not.

Not exactly by making jokes, but for example : by bombing whole cities, by killing children and women, by emprisoning every man, by shooting every one who has a beard, by making the different iraqi movements agianst each other. That's what's going on in iraq man, and the US government is promoting these acts to extend its presence there.
Please try to see the truth just one single time.

When was the last time US bombed a major city in Iraq ? And since when has US official military policy in Iraq been to shoot civilians ?
And if US troops did kill every man with a beard, women and children, then there wouldn't be that many people left in Iraq. And I think that I read somewhere that violence in Iraq is now on the same level as it was before the invasion, could be wrong tho. So don't bite me in the ass with that statement if it's wrong.

get out of the country,people will live more peacefully without you.The proplem is that you think that is better than shotting the kids as it is something just bad.Dont mess up the soldier is making a joke over 1.3 b muslims in the world in an islamic country which we consider it to be invated,even though there are some good soldiers,our message to the good soldier simply is to leave any islamic country whether iraq or afganistan ...etc.

Me get out of what country ? Iraq ? I'm not in Iraq, neither is my nation, well besides a handful of advisors. I do think it's better to make fun of a kid than shoot a kid. And I think it's better to not make fun of a kid than it is to make fun of that kid.
Hopefully your wish of US leaving Iraq and Afghanistan will come true soon. The sooner the better, and the more peacefully the better.

and also the American soldiers are terrorists except for few because they are terrorizing people in ira.the brother considered atheism as a belief because atheists mostly put their trust on scientists and the theory of science.For example if you ask an atheist how this life came to exestance he or she mostly would tell you that their was a big bang and after that their was like a broton the small thing i am not sure about its name and the life start from the water and you know the evolution started this is in brief.What i am trying to say is that an atheist hold a very huge belief.

US soldiers do not specifically target civilians, that goes against the ROE. But I have a feeling you consider US troops to be terrorizing with their presence, as in creating fear and dislike, not specifically killing civilians tho, and you're probably right about that. No one would like to see a foreign nation's army on their soil.
Not all atheists have a good knowledge of science, but science certainly is a better tool for understanding than superstition or dogma. And I doubt that that many atheists would say with certainty the way the Universe started, simply because we do not know...yet.
Atheism itself isn't a belief, it's the opposite of a belief. I doubt that you would argue that not believing in Santa Clause is a belief as well.

 

[omar ibrahim]

Originally Posted by omar ibrahim
and also the American soldiers are terrorists except for few because they are terrorizing people in ira.the brother considered atheism as a belief because atheists mostly put their trust on scientists and the theory of science.For example if you ask an atheist how this life came to exestance he or she mostly would tell you that their was a big bang and after that their was like a broton the small thing i am not sure about its name and the life start from the water and you know the evolution started this is in brief.What i am trying to say is that an atheist hold a very huge belief.



US soldiers do not specifically target civilians, that goes against the ROE. But I have a feeling you consider US troops to be terrorizing with their presence, as in creating fear and dislike, not specifically killing civilians tho, and you're probably right about that. No one would like to see a foreign nation's army on their soil.
Not all atheists have a good knowledge of science, but science certainly is a better tool for understanding than superstition or dogma. And I doubt that that many atheists would say with certainty the way the Universe started, simply because we do not know...yet.
Atheism itself isn't a belief, it's the opposite of a belief. I doubt that you would argue that not believing in Santa Clause is a belief as well.

Atheism in my view is a belief and by the way i did not understand what you meant by saying santa clause is a belief because i am still learning English.However please do kindly visit this website you might find it interesting http://www.scienceislam.com/ ^^

 

[omar ibrahim]

Are you saying that every single American supports the Iraq War ? What's with people and generalizing. Some Americans are greedy, others are not. Some Muslims are terrorists, others are not. Some people are bad, others are not.
I strongly disagree with marwan you are right in this case you can not generlize,its against logic to say that every american is with the war of iraq and i dont think he ment that,he might mean the big headed of the united states and by the way the war in iraq is also serving ISRAIL do not forget,and you know how jewish are in the united states

 

[marwen]

What ideas do I keep repeating that have been fueled by media ?

I'm not to repeat all your posts here, but this is what you keep repeating :

You do realize that if there was a revival of insurgency in Iraq then US would stay there for far far longer, and I doubt that you want that. Feel free to pray for US troops leaving the Middle East, but praying for the death of US soldiers won't do anyone any good, not you, not me or the innocent Iraqis who get stuck on the line of fire.

the same media story : violence before is the same as after : WRONG.

Wouldn't it be better for you to pray that they leave Iraq as soon as possible. The violence in Iraq is now on the same level as it was before the invasion, and hopefully it will lower even more. I can't believe that instead of praying for peace in Iraq, you pray for the death of many many soldiers.

Violence Stops => troops out : WRONG.

But in most cases, when soldier kills a kid, it's not intentional. A soldier may get spooked by a sound and shoots at a target he/she doesn't clearly see, but then finds out the person he/she shot was a kid playing or something like that.
And it's not like US soldiers don't suffer, many US soldiers get PTSD ( post-traumatic stress disorder), and some of them commit suicide, to your delight, I guess.

Media stories : always the same excuses for killing civilians : WRONG.

So when US had a presence in Vietnam it was because US wanted to kill every Vietnamese ?
When US had a presence in Korea it was because US wanted to kill every Korean ?

No that's another irrelevant thing. What is the logic here ? :hmm: I don't know why US was in Vietnam (for some wrong reasons I'm sure) but does this change the fact that US is fighting muslims ?

Plus, if US wanted to kill every Muslim, why don't they have any gas chambers, it would be far more efficient than going around the street and shooting every nearby Muslim.

Another irrelevant argument. Is that the only way to kill people : gas chambers !?

Are you saying that every single American supports the Iraq War ? What's with people and generalizing. Some Americans are greedy, others are not. Some Muslims are terrorists, others are not. Some people are bad, others are not.

I'm not saying all the american people are supporting the war. I'm saying you're just generalizing the opposite : you say Americans don't want to be in Iraq, so where come the troops in iraq from ? are they aliens? They are Americans.

When was the last time US bombed a major city in Iraq ? And since when has US official military policy in Iraq been to shoot civilians ?
And if US troops did kill every man with a beard, women and children, then there wouldn't be that many people left in Iraq. And I think that I read somewhere that violence in Iraq is now on the same level as it was before the invasion, could be wrong tho.

Add this to the list above. The same wrong story : Violence before the war was the same. I know how Iraq looked like before the war, an this violence is just started after the presence of US troops in iraq.

 

[جوري]

Bottom line, who cares what this guy 'respects' or finds 'stupid' I can't believe you are justifying yourself for pages and pages to this turd who has made a complete 180 deflection from the original story, which is the disgusting, appalling and unethical behavior of these animals they sent to the very cradle of civilization, to rob the wealth of nations, destroy their monuments, rape the women, kill the men and pose them for pictures and dissolve the religion of God..

Just let him rot, when he bores of the computer he'll go back to his pork, beer and chalmydia infested wh ores!

 

[AinEstonia]

No that's another irrelevant thing. What is the logic here ? :hmm: I don't know why US was in Vietnam (for some wrong reasons I'm sure) but does this change the fact that US is fighting muslims ?

Yes, the people Americans are currently fighting with are Muslims, but that's not the reason why they're fighting them, if it was, then US should invade like Indonesia.
And my point with the Vietnam analogy was that just because US is at war with someone, does not mean they are to exterminate a group of people, at least not today.
And I like how you always presume US to be on the bad side .

Another irrelevant argument. Is that the only way to kill people : gas chambers !?

There are nearly an infinite amount of ways to kill people, my point was that if US is in Iraq and Afghanistan solely to kill Muslims, why wouldn't they have a more systematic way of doing so, there have been plenty of genocides to learn from.

I'm not saying all the american people are supporting the war. I'm saying you're just generalizing the opposite : you say Americans don't want to be in Iraq, so where come the troops in iraq from ? are they aliens? They are Americans.

I'm not generalizing the opposite, I'm not saying that there isn't a single American who supports the war in Iraq, I simply say that there are some Americans who support it, and there are those who don't. But polls do show that the war in Iraq isn't very popular.

Add this to the list above. The same wrong story : Violence before the war was the same. I know how Iraq looked like before the war, an this violence is just started after the presence of US troops in iraq.

Obviously an invasion is going to cause massive amounts of violence, that's granted.
All you can hope for is that US leaves ASAP, better that than to wish that every American soldier died.

Atheism in my view is a belief and by the way i did not understand what you meant by saying santa clause is a belief because i am still learning English.However please do kindly visit this website you might find it interesting http://www.scienceislam.com/ ^^

Why do you say that atheism is a belief ? And what I meant with the Santa Claus thing is that most people don't believe in Santa Claus, and you don't call not believing in Santa Claus a belief. Same thing with atheism, atheists don't believe in God, so it's kinda weird to call it a belief, but whatever rocks your boat.

 

[AinEstonia]

Bottom line, who cares what this guy 'respects' or finds 'stupid' I can't believe you are justifying yourself for pages and pages to this turd who has made a complete 180 deflection from the original story, which is the disgusting, appalling and unethical behavior of these animals they sent to the very cradle of civilization, to rob the wealth of nations, destroy their monuments, rape the women, kill the men and pose them for pictures and dissolve the religion of God..

Just let him rot, when he bores of the computer he'll go back to his pork, beer and chalmydia infested wh ores!

You're generalizing, just because some soldiers act in an "appalling" matter does not mean every soldier does, I bet there are plenty of soldiers in Iraq right now who haven't even gotten into a firefight.
Saying that Americans are in Iraq to "rob the wealth of the nation, destroy their monuments, rape the women, kill the men and pose them for pictures and dissolve the religion of God " is a massive over statement. And technically we're all animals

You said something insulting about me, so I'm gonna return a favor and say something insulting to you.

My prostitutes are your women :nervous:

 

[Ramadhan]

Okay, you consider me to have very "low moral standards", what have I said that makes you have that kind of a view ?

Can't you just scroll back or hit the "back" button to read again the previous conversation?

Here's from the previous posts:

Quote Originally Posted by AinEstonia View Post
Genocide is evil, a joke like this is not, just inappropriate.

And i replied:

The joke in itself is not evil (after all, they are jokes), BUT the action of the soldier is evil for a number of reasons:
- the joke victims are helpless children and they were manipulated to perform the joke for the perpretator's benefits at the expense of the children
- the action of the soldier is malicious and the nature of the joke is beyond appropriate for children
- The joke victims are citizens of the country which the soldiers invaded and occupied and whose citizens are killed, prisoned and tortured, and there is high possibility that family members of the victims killed, injured, lost their homes, etc because of the invasion that the soldier took part in.
- If the soldier is sane, there is no other way to interpret the action of the soldier other than that of trying to humiliate the children. Especially so when he put it up on the internet for the whole world to see.

The gist:
You consider the action of the soldier as only "inappropriate", in light of the full picture of the situation that I explained to you in my reply.
In my book (and I am 100% certain that all muslims share my views as well as most sane persons with good morals that the action of the soldier is at least disgusting and evil.
Hence, I was telling you the truth which you may not like: You have very low moral standards.

And if you call atheism a belief, then call not believing in Santa Claus a belief as well

You may want to call that a belief if you want.
However, just in case you forgot: Some beliefs are firmly founded on sound evidence and logic, some others are based on fantasy and delusions (like atheism for example).

And I'm not gonna call all Muslim terrorists, even if some are. I was just making an example, perhaps not the politest one, but an example nevertheless. I don't generalize, it's not reasonable.

Oh don't worry about people misinterpreting your "example". Your words in this thread alone have exposed you for who you are.

 

[omar ibrahim]

You're generalizing, just because some soldiers act in an "appalling" matter does not mean every soldier does, I bet there are plenty of soldiers in Iraq right now who haven't even gotten into a firefight.
Saying that Americans are in Iraq to "rob the wealth of the nation, destroy their monuments, rape the women, kill the men and pose them for pictures and dissolve the religion of God " is a massive over statement. And technically we're all animals well in the sight of God you are like an animal or more worse than this ^^

ان هم كالانعام بل هم اضل سبيلا

You said something insulting about me, so I'm gonna return a favor and say something insulting to you.

My prostitutes are your women :nervous:

...........................................................

 

[Ramadhan]

If one day such a thing happened, I wouldn't be that mad to a couple of soldiers make fun of some kids, I would be mad for them for invading, but that's totally different. I wouldn't want a soldier to be killed because he/she made a bad joke. Like I said previously, I can respect a person for despising soldiers for invading their nation, but I'm not gonna respect a person who despises a soldier solely because that soldier made a bad joke.

I'd like to call to attention here:
You have been trying to isolate the "joke" from the full reality that is happening in Iraq.
Do you know why many (and not just muslims, as evidently the US defense department is also investigating) are outraged from the soldier's "bad joke"?
They are mad not because it is a bad joke per se (as you have been trying to keep mouthing off here), but because it is the latest coward injustice done to the people already invaded, occupied, killed, tortured, prisoned, humiliated.

Evidently, you can only think in discrete manner. Is that why you became an atheist, because you cannot think in integral manner?
Either that, or you purposefully minimized the whole Iraq true situation from this incident because this destroys your perception about Iraq, which is spoon-fed by western media.

In another life, the soldier could have gone on holiday to estonia, and manipulated two estonians boys (probably your children) to do exactly the same things the iraqi boys have been duped to do, put the video clip on youtube, and no one will bat an eye. In fact, millions people will laugh with you.

And if one day Russia invaded Estonia and killed a million Estonians, then there wouldn't be that many Estonians around to say:"That was an inappropriate joke."

Actually, I did purposefully said "killed a million estonians", if you catch my drift.