Is Bin Laden Muslim/Islamic?

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^yeah i agree - this thread is down 2 personal opinion, so i suppose there's no point arguing.
 
I have been advised by a brother that i should learn to Cool down.

And seeing as i have failed to do so in this thread,..

..to anyone that i have offended,i apoligise.

Wa'salaam.

-Zubair
 
SirZubair said:
I dont have the answers to your questions
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Bush does.and many others.only they dont tell us th truth...and any1 who tries to bring out th truth is labelled an extremist or a terrorist. but dont worry. th truth always comes out in th end. no matter how much ppl try to hide it

did u know tht many ppl wernt allowed to talk about 9/11 after it happened.
and america calls itself democratic, a country tht allows freedom of speech. wer did th freedom go then ?

or was bush afraid and didnt want ppl to research and find out th facts about wat really happened?

SirZubair said:
But please,dont start with those idiotic conspiracy theories.
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the idiotic theories come from th media im afraid. th same media tht is controled by those ppl in power who have vested interests to tell lies.the same ppl who hav failed to back up their words with factual solid evidence ever since they blamed bin laden on th morning of 9/11. we shud think twice before believing them.


SirZubair said:
I've heard them all.[\QUOTE]

really? which ones have u heard ?
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Re: What is a Muslim?

we have been given rules as mentioned above as who is muslima nd who isnt however the final decision on judgement day is according to Allah. and a question for you GEORGE BUSH ISNT A CHRISTIAN RIGHT?
peace
 
Re: What is a Muslim?

nimrod said:
It seems to me, that at least a good bit of the time, that when someone states what was done “In the name of Islam”.
If it was a good thing, then all the better, if it was bad, then the “They” weren’t really Muslims.
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The actions of adherents can be linked with the religion if and only if it can objectively be shown that such actions are endorsed by the religion itself. This is a very simple principle. When someone does something 'bad' we say it was unislamic because Islam does not teach such things. But when someone does something good they are acting in accordance with Islamic teachings. See this thread on some of the basic prophetic teachings:
http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/23821-words-prophet.html
What actions, makes a person Muslim or not a Muslim?
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A Muslim commiting an unislamic act or an act of kufr (disbelief) does not necessarily take them outside the fold of Islam. In Islam, actions are just according to their intentions as stated in the famous hadith of the Prophet Muhammad pbuh. So ignorance, compulsion, desperation...a complex variety of factors may be involved and Muslims are not allowed to simply rush to declare other Muslims to be disbelievers. If a person commits a sin, they are not automatically a disbeliever, they are simply a sinner and they are to repent for that. People who commit unislamic violent actions are sinning, but we cannot automatically declare them outside the fold of Islam.
Pay attention. This will show up on the test later.
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Somehow that doesn't strike me as the attitude of someone who is sincerely interested in learning the religion.
 
Re: What is a Muslim?

Folks, what I am having trouble with is statements like these:
No Muslim has ever started an un-just war.
Muslims don't do those things.
In order to be Muslim a person must be a Muslim. To be a Muslim means to act as a Muslim.
Islam wasn't spread by the sword because Muslims don't do such things.
Muslims didn't abuse slave women, because Muslims don't do such things.

A Muslim didn't kill Van Gogh, because Muslims don't do such things.
The Twin Towers weren't distroyed by Muslims, because Muslims don't do such things.

Yet......

When the country that aides and harbors Bin Laden is attacked, then it is full of Muslims.

So what I am asking is:

When does a Muslim quit being a Muslim?

Can you be a pious Muslim all your life, and then kill Van Gogh and get killed by the police and yet still be a Muslim the whole time?

If not, then where is the line?

To be a bit more plain spoken, at times it seems to me that, the excuse of "Well they weren't Muslims, because Muslims don't do such things" gets well used around here.

I know that sounds insulting, I don't intend for it to though.

What would go a long in restoring my hopes for Islam and Christians in finding common ground is to start seeing some threads like:

"It is about time we protested in the streets, like we did against those cartoons, in protest to those who kill in the name of Islam in non Islamic countries" and such.

There is so much ill-will and, dare I say hate directed toward the western world on this forum, when it seems to me that some folks will do back flips in order to excuse Bin Ladin and somehow convince themselves that Bush and Blair brought down the towers.

I hope I haven't offended anyone with my post, it is just something that has been on my mind.

Thanks
Nimrod
 
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Folks the question that comes to my mind is this:

If Bin Ladin isn't Muslim/Islamic, then why didn't the "real" Islam take him out already?

If he is Muslim/Islamic then what has been said about some Muslims is true and the old saw about "Muslims don't do such things" rings a little hollow.

Thanks
Nimrod
 
Folks, I work all day and then come home and try to get things done. I am re-modeling my kitchen and adding onto it, I am installing log-siding on the house. I have a number of other projects going on right now in addition to working 10 hours a day.

I am staying up extra late tonight in order to have a little on-line time.

You think the thread should be closed?????

Why not leave it open and give folks like me a chance to comment and learn and respond???????

Surely Islame is strong enough for a simple discussion like this one.

Thanks
Nimrod
 
Re: What is a Muslim?

nimrod said:
Folks, what I am having trouble with is statements like these:
No Muslim has ever started an un-just war.
Muslims don't do those things.
In order to be Muslim a person must be a Muslim. To be a Muslim means to act as a Muslim.
Islam wasn't spread by the sword because Muslims don't do such things.
Muslims didn't abuse slave women, because Muslims don't do such things.
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It is possible for someone to do such unislamic acts, but since they are condemned and rejected by Islam, it is futile to identify such an individual with their religion. Though they may be a Muslim, their actions are against Islamic teachings.
Can you be a pious Muslim all your life, and then kill Van Gogh and get killed by the police and yet still be a Muslim the whole time?
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You may be a Muslim but not a pious one since such actions are unislamic.
"It is about time we protested in the streets, like we did against those cartoons, in protest to those who kill in the name of Islam in non Islamic countries" and such.
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Alas, the protests and condemnations of mainstream Muslims continue to fall on deaf ears, since they don't come through in the media.
http://www.islamicboard.com/370756-post5.html
http://www.islamicboard.com/177527-post41.html
http://www.islamicboard.com/176386-post34.html
There is so much ill-will and, dare I say hate directed toward the western world on this forum
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To avoid repetition of ideas, see this thread:
http://www.islamicboard.com/world-affairs/23810-can-we-coexist.html

Regards
 
Asalama Alaikum.........
:heated: I am totally lost......i mean can't we call the bombing and all the stuff Bin laden is doin is kinda JIHAD:? ....
I don't know....:? I am not sure why.......but I never thought of Bin Laden as a bad muslim..:grumbling
 
A'isha said:
why did the twin towers collapse soooo quickly ?
im just curious thts all.....and i want to kno th answers :sister:
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I heard an interview with an architect.

He asked "why did the towers stand up for so long?"

In theory they should have collapsed much faster
 
Re: What is a Muslim?

Ansar Al-'Adl said:
It is possible for someone to do such unislamic but....it is futile to identify such an individual with their religion
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The individual identified himself with Islam. It was not the news papers that did so.
 
SirZubair said:
Next you will be telling me that George Bush (JR) Planned the 9/11 bombing.

Go ahead,make my day. :rollseyes
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After Bin Laden issue we will mooov onto another issue "Is Goerge Bush true christian or not..... he is responsible for the deaths of US soldiers as well as several muslims":uhwhat
 
Taqiyah, if you don't mind me asking:

How old are you and how long have you been a Muslim?

Was/is your family also Islamic?

Thanks
Nimrod

p.s. if you don't feel comfortable giving out any personal information, I do understand.
 
nimrod said:
Taqiyah, if you don't mind me asking:

How old are you and how long have you been a Muslim?

Was/is your family also Islamic?

Thanks
Nimrod

p.s. if you don't feel comfortable giving out any personal information, I do understand.
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It is OK.....I don't mind...:rollseyes
I am 15 years old and I have been a Muslim my whole life.:statisfie But not all my family are Muslims.:heated:
 
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SirZubair said:
Insha'allah.

I hope so.

That is if he isnt responsible for all those deaths.

If he is,then i pray that allah has mercy on him,and at the same time,punishs him for his evil deeds.

Like i said,..IF.

Wa'salaam
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I do agree with this statement
 
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