Is Bin Laden Muslim/Islamic?
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By killing innocents? Not in my life!!!! It's never be a jihad!
Why do I get the feeling this thread is just gonna lead to backbiting?
Uh-huh. Agreed. :thumbs_up
Muzammil,
I think that is a very good question & I have got severe doubts as to where he (Bush) really stands.
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Bush is a Christian, but not Christianic.
Re: Is Bush a Christian
I hope this isn't off topic, maybe there should be a thread devoted to Bush...
north_malaysian I don't know what you mean by "Christianic" Pardon my ignorance :X
I'm speaking from a Fundamentalist Bible believeing Christian view point & I understand Bush to supposedly come from that angle too. What makes me suspicious about his true standing is that I know as a Fundamentalist you can not have any other secret beliefs or "Gods" aside from the God of the Bible. It's common knowledge that GWB is a member of a secret society (Yales Skull & Bones). Now this should be an obvious GLAREING warning to Fundamentialists Christians that something isn't right here! On top of that it is also known that he has been involved in ceremonies involving the mock sacrifices of children to the god of Molech... Go figure! But Jesus often spoke of "wolves in sheeps clothing" which in my mind is a more fitting description.
I don't mean to offend anyone here (sorry George) but he openly admits to been a part of Skull & Bones.
I hope this isn't off topic, maybe there should be a thread devoted to Bush...
north_malaysian I don't know what you mean by "Christianic" Pardon my ignorance :X
I'm speaking from a Fundamentalist Bible believeing Christian view point & I understand Bush to supposedly come from that angle too. What makes me suspicious about his true standing is that I know as a Fundamentalist you can not have any other secret beliefs or "Gods" aside from the God of the Bible. It's common knowledge that GWB is a member of a secret society (Yales Skull & Bones). Now this should be an obvious GLAREING warning to Fundamentialists Christians that something isn't right here! On top of that it is also known that he has been involved in ceremonies involving the mock sacrifices of children to the god of Molech... Go figure! But Jesus often spoke of "wolves in sheeps clothing" which in my mind is a more fitting description.
I don't mean to offend anyone here (sorry George) but he openly admits to been a part of Skull & Bones.
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How can anyone reject these?:brother:
Several Suicide Hijackers get up from their grave, Alive in the Middle East
Of the 19 alleged hijackers identified by the FBI, at least six turned up alive after the attack. The FBI's identifications included names, photographs, and, in several cases, other personal details -- all of which matched the six persons who surfaced after the attack to proclaim their innocence.
Abdulaziz Alomari
Abdulaziz Alomari was identified by the FBI as the hijacker who accompanied Mohamed Atta from the connecting flight from Portland and helped him hijack and pilot Flight 11 into the North Tower. Abdulaziz told the London-based Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper: "The name [listed by the FBI] is my name and the birth date is the same as mine, but I am not the one who bombed the World Trade Center in New York." 1 Saudi Embassy officials in Washington defended the innocence of Alomari, saying that his passport was stolen in 1996 and that he had reported the theft to the police.
Saeed Alghamdi
Saeed Alghamdi, a Saudi Airlines pilot, was identified by the FBI of being a hijacker of Flight 93, which crashed in Pennsylvania. Alghamdi was "shocked and furious" to learn this three days after the attack, noting that his name, place of residence, date of birth, and occupation matched those described by the FBI. "You cannot imagine what it is like to be described as a terrorist - and a dead man - when you are innocent and alive," said Alghamdi, who considered legal action against the FBI.
Salem Al-Hamzi
Al-Hamzi was identified by the FBI as one of the hijackers of Flight 77, thought to have crashed into the Pentagon. Al-Hamzi said: "I have never been to the United States and have not been out of Saudi Arabia in the past two years." 4
Ahmed Al-Nami
Al-Nami was identified by the FBI as one of the hijackers of Flight 93. Al-Nami said: "I'm still alive, as you can see. I was shocked to see my name mentioned by the American Justice Department. I had never even heard of Pennsylvania where the plane I was supposed to have hijacked."
Waleed Alshehri
Waleed Alshehri, a Saudi Arabian pilot, was identified by the FBI as one of the hijackers of Flight 11. Alshehri turned up in Morocco after the attack where he contacted both the Saudi and American authorities to tell them he was not involved in the attack.
Abdulrahman al-Omari
Abdulrahman al-Omari, a Saudi Airlines pilot, was identified by the FBI as one of the hijackers of Flight 11. After learning this, he visited the US consulate in Jeddah to demand an explanation.
Ameer and Adnan Bukhari
Ameer and Adnan Bukhari were named by CNN as suspected hijackers of Flight 175, the jetliner which crashed into the South Tower, in an article dated 9/13/01. In a correction, CNN stated that Ameer Bukhari died in a small plane crash in Florida, and that Adnan was still alive in Florida, having passed a polygraph test to confirm his innocence
How can anyone reject these?:brother:
Several Suicide Hijackers get up from their grave, Alive in the Middle East
Of the 19 alleged hijackers identified by the FBI, at least six turned up alive after the attack. The FBI's identifications included names, photographs, and, in several cases, other personal details -- all of which matched the six persons who surfaced after the attack to proclaim their innocence.
Abdulaziz Alomari
Abdulaziz Alomari was identified by the FBI as the hijacker who accompanied Mohamed Atta from the connecting flight from Portland and helped him hijack and pilot Flight 11 into the North Tower. Abdulaziz told the London-based Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper: "The name [listed by the FBI] is my name and the birth date is the same as mine, but I am not the one who bombed the World Trade Center in New York." 1 Saudi Embassy officials in Washington defended the innocence of Alomari, saying that his passport was stolen in 1996 and that he had reported the theft to the police.
Saeed Alghamdi
Saeed Alghamdi, a Saudi Airlines pilot, was identified by the FBI of being a hijacker of Flight 93, which crashed in Pennsylvania. Alghamdi was "shocked and furious" to learn this three days after the attack, noting that his name, place of residence, date of birth, and occupation matched those described by the FBI. "You cannot imagine what it is like to be described as a terrorist - and a dead man - when you are innocent and alive," said Alghamdi, who considered legal action against the FBI.
Salem Al-Hamzi
Al-Hamzi was identified by the FBI as one of the hijackers of Flight 77, thought to have crashed into the Pentagon. Al-Hamzi said: "I have never been to the United States and have not been out of Saudi Arabia in the past two years." 4
Ahmed Al-Nami
Al-Nami was identified by the FBI as one of the hijackers of Flight 93. Al-Nami said: "I'm still alive, as you can see. I was shocked to see my name mentioned by the American Justice Department. I had never even heard of Pennsylvania where the plane I was supposed to have hijacked."
Waleed Alshehri
Waleed Alshehri, a Saudi Arabian pilot, was identified by the FBI as one of the hijackers of Flight 11. Alshehri turned up in Morocco after the attack where he contacted both the Saudi and American authorities to tell them he was not involved in the attack.
Abdulrahman al-Omari
Abdulrahman al-Omari, a Saudi Airlines pilot, was identified by the FBI as one of the hijackers of Flight 11. After learning this, he visited the US consulate in Jeddah to demand an explanation.
Ameer and Adnan Bukhari
Ameer and Adnan Bukhari were named by CNN as suspected hijackers of Flight 175, the jetliner which crashed into the South Tower, in an article dated 9/13/01. In a correction, CNN stated that Ameer Bukhari died in a small plane crash in Florida, and that Adnan was still alive in Florida, having passed a polygraph test to confirm his innocence
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I think we have to debate first what some western countries have done to some eastern countries.
It stared when they realize
they
Could not understand the power of Islam,
Could not buy it by any cost
Could not implement their idea and eveil business(any unislamic)
…..when muslims run by islamic law.
Than they thought they cannot make this happened and doing following thing
Conspiracy, terrorism, human right violation, murder people, murder scholar, crashing wealth, crashing property, lying after lying to confuse other in order to raise their support by using the media.…….
Their(leader of the current world) thought killed millions of people
and
will kill million more coming days
They are the master mined of everything.
They are the responsible for every single death Bcoz they indeed started the game.
I see on CNN
One of their top analyst saying that the leader:? of the current world never want Islamic rule in any countries. They will not support (doing their level best to crush) any nation who running by and tiring to established Islamic law. Like Hamas now.....soon somalia
See it is not a view of some Muslims. It’s a real fact like a dead rock that those will crush anything related to establishing Islam.
I think we have to debate first what some western countries have done to some eastern countries.
It stared when they realize
they
Could not understand the power of Islam,
Could not buy it by any cost
Could not implement their idea and eveil business(any unislamic)
…..when muslims run by islamic law.
Than they thought they cannot make this happened and doing following thing
Conspiracy, terrorism, human right violation, murder people, murder scholar, crashing wealth, crashing property, lying after lying to confuse other in order to raise their support by using the media.…….
Their(leader of the current world) thought killed millions of people
and
will kill million more coming days
They are the master mined of everything.
They are the responsible for every single death Bcoz they indeed started the game.
I see on CNN
One of their top analyst saying that the leader:? of the current world never want Islamic rule in any countries. They will not support (doing their level best to crush) any nation who running by and tiring to established Islamic law. Like Hamas now.....soon somalia
See it is not a view of some Muslims. It’s a real fact like a dead rock that those will crush anything related to establishing Islam.
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Imaam ash-Shawkaanee said, "Judging that a Muslim has left Islaam and entered into Kufr is something that is not fitting for a Muslim who believes in Allaah and the Last Day except with a proof (Burhaan) which is clearer than the daytime sun, since it is established in the authentic hadith reported by a group of Companions that he who says to his brother "O Kaafir!" Then it returns back to one of them." In another wording, "Whoever addresses a man with Kufr, or says 'Enemy of Allaah' and he is not that, then it returns back upon him"
[Hadith reported by Muslim (2/49 - Book of Eemaan).]
more info.http://www.gawaher.com/index.php?showtopic=1453&pid=147590&st=0&#entry147590
And also; Allaah Almighty says in the Qur'an:
"O you who believe! Avoid much suspicion, in deeds some suspicions are sins. And spy not neither backbite one another. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? You would hate it (so hate backbiting). And fear Allah, verily, Allah is The One Who accepts repentance, Most Merciful" (Qur'an 49:12)
Hence: Thread Closed.
Imaam ash-Shawkaanee said, "Judging that a Muslim has left Islaam and entered into Kufr is something that is not fitting for a Muslim who believes in Allaah and the Last Day except with a proof (Burhaan) which is clearer than the daytime sun, since it is established in the authentic hadith reported by a group of Companions that he who says to his brother "O Kaafir!" Then it returns back to one of them." In another wording, "Whoever addresses a man with Kufr, or says 'Enemy of Allaah' and he is not that, then it returns back upon him"
[Hadith reported by Muslim (2/49 - Book of Eemaan).]
more info.http://www.gawaher.com/index.php?showtopic=1453&pid=147590&st=0&#entry147590
And also; Allaah Almighty says in the Qur'an:
"O you who believe! Avoid much suspicion, in deeds some suspicions are sins. And spy not neither backbite one another. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? You would hate it (so hate backbiting). And fear Allah, verily, Allah is The One Who accepts repentance, Most Merciful" (Qur'an 49:12)
Hence: Thread Closed.
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