Is Europe's future Christian?

[Zafran]

I have just watched two TV programmes (Aljazeera and Panorama) on Iran. It is illegal for Iranians to have satellite TV yet at least 30% of the population break the law to get access to international news, the state TV did not broadcast ‘Obama’s message to the Muslim World’ and the state has ‘filters’ on the internet. This is an example of the point I have tried to make, the state fears the possibility of the people having access to all the information on which they might decide who/what is right and who/what is wrong. How can anyone give a good reasoned argument supporting such censorship?

why dont you ask the Iranian government about that? we were talking about the taliban - furthermore propaganda makes enough problems in the west - did you know some people and media outlets in maerica where calling the speech an "apology" and heavily critcising it - as if they dont want to learn or reach out for peace even when they heard the speech - it did zero to there views anyway.

 

[Thinker]

Just watched a news clip stating that China is going to enact a law that all new PC's are fitted with software that enables then (the Chinese Government) to filter out what they deem as inappropriate.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jun/08/web-blocking-software-china

 

[Clover]

Just watched a news clip stating that China is going to enact a law that all new PC's are fitted with software that enables then (the Chinese Government) to filter out what they deem as inappropriate.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jun/08/web-blocking-software-china

I used to play a game, and one day we lost nearly 1/3 of our members, finds out, the Chinese government banned the game, it was a game based on nation strategy, like helping other nations to help your nation later on and such, it was rather sad.

 

[Uthman]

Thanks for posting that Thinker, but how is it relevant to the topic?

 

[Thinker]

Thanks for posting that Thinker, but how is it relevant to the topic?

Sorry . . . . I can see how it drifted but the fact is that my exchange with Zafran did drift off topic. Apologies :-[

 

[Uthman]

Sorry . . . . I can see how it drifted but the fact is that my exchange with Zafran did drift off topic. Apologies :-[

No worries.

 

[Pomak]

I have just watched two TV programmes (Aljazeera and Panorama) on Iran. It is illegal for Iranians to have satellite TV yet at least 30% of the population break the law to get access to international news, the state TV did not broadcast ‘Obama’s message to the Muslim World’ and the state has ‘filters’ on the internet. This is an example of the point I have tried to make, the state fears the possibility of the people having access to all the information on which they might decide who/what is right and who/what is wrong. How can anyone give a good reasoned argument supporting such censorship?

Iran is doing what the degrading of education standards has accomplished in the USA. A prinipled person would oppose the ends not the means

 

[Clover]

Iran is doing what the degrading of education standards has accomplished in the USA. A prinipled person would oppose the ends not the means

I find this false. They have uped our requirments for graduation from highschool. I have to get 32 credits (thats as many as possible) to pass, instead of the 28 that was required of last year's students.

 

[Pomak]

I find this false. They have uped our requirments for graduation from highschool. I have to get 32 credits (thats as many as possible) to pass, instead of the 28 that was required of last year's students.

And of course there is no underclass in the USA that after school the only job they are suited to do is working in KFC or some other form of unskilled labour?

And all American can name where Mexico and Canada are? Or can name the political actors in Turkey?

 

[Clover]

And of course there is no underclass in the USA that after school the only job they are suited to do is working in KFC or some other form of unskilled labour?

And all American can name where Mexico and Canada are? Or can name the political actors in Turkey?

I am sure you know everything their is to know about the American education system, I am sure you've been studying it for years, and know all about it, assuming you just insulted every American highschool graduate calling them ill-educated morons, thats a big insult to throw, especially if you know nothing of American Education Systems. I am sure though, that your an expert in that area, probably have a degree in it.

I can do both. Canada is North of the USA, Mexico is South.

btw: American should be Americans. Wow, my 10th grade grammer actually came in handy :rollseyes

Before I answer the second question, I'd like to know what the relevance of that to any job in America, other then maybe a professor in political matters of turkey? :rollseyes

I commend you sir for showing yourself to be a true vile moron. You have not only shown ignorance, but hate too, that's a great thing to express.

But in the end, what do I know? I am just a stupid, un-educated American farmer who knows nothing, I guess 11 years of education have done nothing but make me a idiot :rollseyes.

Your intelligence astounds me dear sir.

 

[Pomak]

I am sure you know everything their is to know about the American education system, I am sure you've been studying it for years, and know all about it, assuming you just insulted every American highschool graduate calling them ill-educated morons, thats a big insult to throw, especially if you know nothing of American Education Systems. I am sure though, that your an expert in that area, probably have a degree in it.

I can do both. Canada is North of the USA, Mexico is South.

btw: American should be Americans. Wow, my 10th grade grammer actually came in handy :rollseyes

Before I answer the second question, I'd like to know what the relevance of that to any job in America, other then maybe a professor in political matters of turkey? :rollseyes

I commend you sir for showing yourself to be a true vile moron. You have not only shown ignorance, but hate too, that's a great thing to express.

But in the end, what do I know? I am just a stupid, un-educated American farmer who knows nothing, I guess 11 years of education have done nothing but make me a idiot :rollseyes.

Your intelligence astounds me dear sir.

I'll say it only once. My point was that BOTH countries dumb down people, the only difference is that USA does it in a more subtle way than Iran.

 

[Zafran]

Salaam

I was just watching the news yesterday and Obama refuses to show the 44 images of Iraqi prisoners being tortured in Iraq - which is open censorship. It happens all over the place.

 

[Yanal]

Europe was once a whole Catholic country under King Henrys daughter Queen Elizabeths Rule because she had the power to form her country in anyway she wanted because many admired her talents she had inherited from her father,which made her be the Rennaisannce Queen making men male rulers fall over her and copy her moves in making her country a full Catholic one. It was successful but only Allah knows what happened from then and now,that muslims to live in a country which was once a pure Catholic country.

 

[Zafran]

Europe was once a whole Catholic country under King Henrys daughter Queen Elizabeths Rule because she had the power to form her country in anyway she wanted because many admired her talents she had inherited from her father,which made her be the Rennaisannce Queen making men male rulers fall over her and copy her moves in making her country a full Catholic one. It was successful but only Allah knows what happened from then and now,that muslims to live in a country which was once a pure Catholic country.

No - king Henry wanted to divorce his wife - the catholic church wouldnt let him so he broke off. Thats the reason - Mary 1 also known as bloody Mary tried to re establish the relationship with rome but clearly it didnt work in the long term as Queen Elizabeth went back to Protestant christianity.

 

[Amadeus85]

Europe was once a whole Catholic country under King Henrys daughter Queen Elizabeths Rule because she had the power to form her country in anyway she wanted because many admired her talents she had inherited from her father,which made her be the Rennaisannce Queen making men male rulers fall over her and copy her moves in making her country a full Catholic one. It was successful but only Allah knows what happened from then and now,that muslims to live in a country which was once a pure Catholic country.

2 "R" hapenned, reformation and french revolution(one the source of the other) and the effects we can see now.

 

[Zafran]

do you believe reformation was against christainty? Its understandable why the reveloution was.

 

[Amadeus85]

do you believe reformation was against christainty? Its understandable why the reveloution was.

Yes, I do, I am roman catholic. Reformation, except theological errors, brought individualism, democratism,division in Christianitas. Now we see the fruits of Lutheranism, which are hundreds, maybe thousands "churches", pro gay and pro abortion "pastors",sects like Mormons, theology of human rights,ecology instead of unchangable morality. I know that we have many great protestants here,with impressive knowledge,bigger than mine, that's why I say it not with joy, but I must say with sadness that protestants (especially anglo saxons) played major role in changing Christianitas into demo-liberal, multi cultural world.