Is God proud of His work?

[IbnAbdulHakim]

I think God has done what he has intended to do -


and i think his justice on the day of judgement will be very perfect




PEACE



ps: heard about heaven? gotta be proud of that huh


heard about hell? gotta be proud of that huh ! - dont act like u dont want hitler there, JUST DONT !

 

[Great I am not]

What does it matter? It's exactly the same argument!


Again, it is the same argument. You have freedom not to listen to the doctor just as you have freedom not to listen to God; in either case you get screwed IN THIS LIFE. Which is what I (and pretty much everyone else who has been discussing with you on the matter) have been telling you for the past few days.


No, that is not what I said. At puberty, a child is then responsible for their actions in Islam; i.e are applicable for the good deeds vs bad deed scale (like all other adults)

Our main problem is that of punishment and hell.

Let's see if we can agree on hell as a moral place that God would create. if we cannot agree on this then we will not agree on anything.

I do get yes or no answer to this so I hope the moderator will allow me to ask and you to reply with just the one post. In that way we will not sidetrack the OP.

Is it just for a man to be able to do small sins for only 120 years without remorse and then have to spend 1200000000000000000000+ years in hell?

Regards
DL

 

[Great I am not]

actually as per this fellow's argument of 'Natural' --dying from a pathological state that is self-brought-upon due to life style choices isn't natural, in fact that is why they call it pathological.

Also, I am not sure why the threat of hell matters to folks who don't believe in it?
if it is very matter of fact to you, then you should state your grievances on the day of recompense not on a public forum..

It maters because if the concept of eternal hell is immoral then believers in hell should recognize it is immoral and not interpret what the concept has become as good and return more to the older concept of hell being the city dump.

This would also likely change their views of Satan.

Regards
DL

 

[aamirsaab]

Our main problem is that of punishment and hell.

Let's see if we can agree on hell as a moral place that God would create. if we cannot agree on this then we will not agree on anything.

I do get yes or no answer to this so I hope the moderator will allow me to ask and you to reply with just the one post. In that way we will not sidetrack the OP.

Yes it is moral for hell to exist just as it is moral for heaven to exist.

Is it just for a man to be able to do small sins for only 120 years without remorse and then have to spend 1200000000000000000000+ years in hell?

Regards
DL

Whether or not you spend xyz years in hell is not up to me, it is up to Allah. And by the same token, Allah can grant you paradise whenever He feels as He is The Most Merciful.

Secondly, my previous example of disobeying the doctor's order still answers this. You might not like the outcome but that's fine - you aren't suppose to like it,

Thirdly, you believe in hell right? Me too and God-willing you'll go to paradise as that belief would make you a follower of God.

 

[جوري]

that problem is what you consider a 'small' sin.. whose baseline are we using?

 

[جوري]

It maters because if the concept of eternal hell is immoral then believers in hell should recognize it is immoral and not interpret what the concept has become as good and return more to the older concept of hell being the city dump.

This would also likely change their views of Satan.

Regards
DL

What does the above mean?
hell isn't immoral, hell houses the immorals .. I don't think the view on that will change anytime soon!

all the best

 

[AntiKarateKid]

Freedom cannot be given. Freedom must be taken.

We are all free to follow the rules of our societies. We are not free to break them unless we take the freedom to do so.

Regards
DL

No. I am talking about free-will. For atheists, we have no higher being or soul or any spiritual aspect. This means that all we are are just a bunch of more complex animals still dominated by the chemical processes that control our body.

You choosing to typing here is an illusion. A series of chemical reactions in your brain prompted you to choose to type here. Active-will had nothing to do with it.

 

[Great I am not]

I think God has done what he has intended to do -


and i think his justice on the day of judgement will be very perfect

The way I read scripture, God judged man in Genesis. Even with Satan there to tempt Eve, God said that all was good.

I do not think that He needs return just because people will not believe His words.
How often do you think He has to judge us?

PEACE



ps: heard about heaven? gotta be proud of that huh


heard about hell? gotta be proud of that huh ! - dont act like u dont want hitler there, JUST DONT !

Well, I believe this.

2 Peter 3:9 KJ
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

If it is God's will that none will be lost then I would think that none will be.
I know that those who like to hate will not like this idea but if God's will cannot be thwarted then we will all meet in heaven.

Regards
DL

 

[Great I am not]

Yes it is moral for hell to exist just as it is moral for heaven to exist.


Whether or not you spend xyz years in hell is not up to me, it is up to Allah. And by the same token, Allah can grant you paradise whenever He feels as He is The Most Merciful.

Secondly, my previous example of disobeying the doctor's order still answers this. You might not like the outcome but that's fine - you aren't suppose to like it,

Thirdly, you believe in hell right? Me too and God-willing you'll go to paradise as that belief would make you a follower of God.

Actually I do not believe in hell. God does not need it.

But since you do not want to answer my simple question, I guess that we are done. I believe in reciprocity and if you do not want to answer my questions then I will reciprocate.

That is fair play.

Regards
DL

 

[Zafran]

heard about hell? gotta be proud of that huh ! - dont act like u dont want hitler there, JUST DONT !

Its not acting - muslims dont want anyone there - its part of the faith.

no offence dont quote the bible when your talking about Islam. It has very little effect and bearing on muslims.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Greatest - you just replied using bible quotes.

I dont believe in the Bible, therefore you get no points with those...

 

[جوري]

I believe this:

3:133] Be quick in the race for forgiveness from your Lord, and for a Garden whose width is that (of the whole) of the heavens and of the earth, prepared for the righteous.

and this:

33:35] For Muslim men and women, for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for true men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in charity, for men and women who fast (and deny themselves), for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in Allah's praise, for them has Allah prepared forgiveness and great reward.

5:9] To those who believe and do deeds of righteousness hath Allah promised forgiveness and a great reward.

all the best

 

[Zafran]

Greatest - you just replied using bible quotes.

I dont believe in the Bible, therefore you get no points with those...

I know maybe he should go to a christain forum and duke out with them about it.

 

[Great I am not]

that problem is what you consider a 'small' sin.. whose baseline are we using?

Is it just for a thief to spend eternity in hell with Hitler?

If we have the same answer here then we can compare other areas of justice.

If we cannot agree an a large issue then we will not on anything smaller.


Regards
DL

 

[Zafran]

Is it just for a thief to spend eternity in hell with Hitler?

how do you know Hitlers in Hell for goodness sake? Your quick to put people in hell but dont want to go there yourself???

 

[Great I am not]

What does the above mean?
hell isn't immoral, hell houses the immorals .. I don't think the view on that will change anytime soon!

all the best

Are all immorals equal in their immorality?

Is a thief less immoral than a killer?

Is an adulterer less immoral than a thief?

Regards
DL

 

[aamirsaab]

Actually I do not believe in hell. God does not need it.

But since you do not want to answer my simple question, I guess that we are done. I believe in reciprocity and if you do not want to answer my questions then I will reciprocate.

That is fair play.

Regards
DL

I apologise if I didn't answer your question; I thought I did. Perhaps it needed more explanation, so I wil ltry again:

Is it just for a man to be able to do small sins for only 120 years without remorse and then have to spend 1200000000000000000000+ years in hell?

Regards

Allow me to twist your argument around (in order to make a point about being just as you seem to have a problem with God's system); should a man who has spent 120 years of his life doing small good deeds be granted 120000000+ years in Heaven?

If the answer is yes (which I am sure everyone would agree with!), then the same should apply to those who have done bad. Otherwise, what point would there in being good if bad people are rewarded just as much as good people are - surely that would be a un-just and unfair system, no? If a man who has commited no sins all his life is given the same reward as a man who has sinned all his life, would that be just to the good man?

Even with that being said, Allah is quite capable of taking someone from Hell and putting them into Paradise so surely that is the absolute justice?

 

[Great I am not]

No. I am talking about free-will. For atheists, we have no higher being or soul or any spiritual aspect. This means that all we are are just a bunch of more complex animals still dominated by the chemical processes that control our body.

You choosing to typing here is an illusion. A series of chemical reactions in your brain prompted you to choose to type here. Active-will had nothing to do with it.

Are you saying that you did not freely chose to reply to my last post?

If so then how did I prompt your chemistry to do so?

BTW, I made a conscious decision to reply to yours. I used my free will.

Regards
DL

 

[جوري]

Are all immorals equal in their immorality?

Is a thief less immoral than a killer?

Is an adulterer less immoral than a thief?

Regards
DL

that is an excellent question indeed.. as there are levels of religiosity, there are levels of sin.. not all are created equal.. hence:

The Message of the Quran​

Muhammad Asad​

​

AL-ZALZALAH (THE EARTHQUAKE)​

THE NINETY-NINTH SURAH
Total Verses: 8
PERIOD UNCERTAIN​

Introduction​

MOST PROBABLY revealed in the early part of the Medina period (itqan), although some authorities regard it as a Meccan revelation.​

IN THE NAME OF GOD, THE MOST GRACIOUS, THE DISPENSER OF GRACE:​

IN THE NAME OF GOD, THE MOST GRACIOUS, THE DISPENSER OF GRACE:

(1) WHEN THE EARTH quakes with her [last] mighty quaking,

(2) and [when] the earth yields up her burdens, 1

(3) and man cries out, "What has happened to her?" -

(4) on that Day will she recount all her tidings,

(5) as thy Sustainer will have inspired her to do! 2

(6) On that Day will all men come forward, cut off from one another, 3 to be shown their [past] deeds.

(7) And so, he who shall have done an atom's weight of good, shall behold it;

(8) and he who shall have done an atom's weight of evil, shall behold it.


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1 I.e., all that was hitherto hidden in it, including the bodies- or the remnants - of the dead.

2 I.e., on the Day of Judgment the earth will bear witness, as it were, to all that has ever been done by man: an explanation given by the Prophet, according to a Tradition on the authority of Abu Hurayrah (quoted by Ibn Hanbal and Tirmidhi).

3 Lit., ''as separate entities" (ashtatan). Cf. 6:94 - "And now, indeed, you have come unto Us in a lonely state, even as We created you in the first instance": thus stressing the individual, untransferable responsibility of every human being.



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I have always personally marveled at how Christians claim that all that needed be was a belief in jesus having eaten your sins as all that was needed to get to heaven.. people like Anna Nicole Smith and Mother Theresa equal in christ...

hell and heaven have their gates and their levels.. (way before Dante plagiarized it)

all the best

 

[Great I am not]

Its not acting - muslims dont want anyone there - its part of the faith.

no offence dont quote the bible when your talking about Islam. It has very little effect and bearing on muslims.

I have read many books and find wisdom in most, this includes both the Bible and the Qur'an.

It is hard to judge the Gods if one does not even look at them.

Have you judged your God?
Have you compared Him to others?

Regards
DL