Is God proud of His work?

[جوري]

as an addendum to the above.. we don't get to heaven or hell because of our deeds.. if you spent your entire life in prayer and worship you'd not account for your Lord's blessings..
we get there by God's grace and mercy which is the law he assigned unto himself...
your deeds good or bad are negligible in the face of blessings of this life and eternal life!

There are unforgivable cardinal sins -- everything else can be forgiven...
God so tells us in the Quran, he is our cherisher and sustainer ...

 

[Zafran]

I have read many books and find wisdom in most, this includes both the Bible and the Qur'an.

It is hard to judge the Gods if one does not even look at them.

Have you judged your God?
Have you compared His to others?

Regards
DL

God is the Judge - the greatest of Judgers - God is the all wise - I'm not so why should the dim Judge the all wise.

I have looked at other so called dieties and the Quran gives some serious refuataions to them.

Is your knowledge weak on the Quran because you seem to love the bible far more?

 

[Great I am not]

Greatest - you just replied using bible quotes.

I dont believe in the Bible, therefore you get no points with those...

I do not believe the Bible literally either but the quotes I used have a logical position that any God of love would take.

I do not look for points. I look for good debate and reason.

Does your Bible indicate the will of your God concerning his love of souls and His desire to not lose any?

We are in comparative religion. Let's compare.

Regards
DL

 

[Great I am not]

I believe this:

3:133] Be quick in the race for forgiveness from your Lord, and for a Garden whose width is that (of the whole) of the heavens and of the earth, prepared for the righteous.

and this:

33:35] For Muslim men and women, for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for true men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in charity, for men and women who fast (and deny themselves), for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in Allah's praise, for them has Allah prepared forgiveness and great reward.

5:9] To those who believe and do deeds of righteousness hath Allah promised forgiveness and a great reward.

all the best

Religious rhetoric that could be applied and is mimicked by all God's.

I have not seen any humble replies here to date.
I have arrogance and recognize it in most here as well.

Regards
DL

 

[AntiKarateKid]

Well, I believe this.

2 Peter 3:9 KJ
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

If it is God's will that none will be lost then I would think that none will be.
I know that those who like to hate will not like this idea but if God's will cannot be thwarted then we will all meet in heaven.

Regards
DL

You delude yourself only. Have you even read the verses that came before and after Peter 3:9

BEFORE (This speaks of the punishments for disbelief)

But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. Peter 3:7

AFTER (this shows what exactly His promise is)

But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up. Peter 3:10

It is obvious that God is affirming the destruction for sinners and disbelievers and promising Judgement Day and the destruction of the earth. Not only have you cherrypicked a verse to placate the delude notion that disbelievers will be in heaven. He wants us to become believers but He wills for the people who don't to be destroyed. He desires that we not sin and gives us guidance but leaves it up to us. He also desires that disbelievers be destroyed.

I had a hard time telling if yours was a joke post or not.

 

[جوري]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Hazrat Abu Hurairah (Radhiallaho anho) narrated that Rasulullah (Sallallaho alaihe wasallam) has said, [/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"Almighty Allah says, 'I treat my slave (man) according to his expectations from Me, and I am with him when he remembers me. If he remembers Me in his heart, I remember him in My heart; if he remembers Me in a gathering, I remember him in a better and nobler gathering (i.e. of angels) if he comes closer to Me by one span, I go towards him a cubit's length, if he comes toward Me by a cubit's length, I go towards him an arm's length, and if he walks towards Me, I run unto him."[/FONT]




[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]btw, just so we are on the same level.. I wouldn't compare the bible with the Quran.. if anything at all, perhaps a comparison of ahadith, though they themselves have a strong chain of Isnad that can't be said of the bible and certainly not through dubious characters that god allegedly spoke to after his death which seemed to have abrogated all his old laws![/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]all the best
[/FONT]​

 

[جوري]

Religious rhetoric that could be applied and is mimicked by all God's.

I have not seen any humble replies here to date.
I have arrogance and recognize it in most here as well.

Regards
DL

you asked for comparative passages, I have cemented with both hadith and Quran.. it isn't rhetoric.. it is what you choose to accept or not accept .and there is also your perception and your belifs..

I don't believe there are different gods.. I believe in one God!
The God of Abraham

2:130-And who turns away from the religion of Abrahim but such as debase their souls with folly? Him We chose and rendered pure in this world: and he will be in the Hereafter in the ranks of the Righteous.



2:132-
And this was the Legacy that Abrahim left to his sons, and so did Ya'qub; "O my sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the state of submission (to Allah).



2:135-They say: "Become Jews or Christians if ye would be guided (to salvation)." Say thou: "Nay! (I would rather) the Religion of Abrahim, the True, and he joined not gods with Allah."





thus I am not certain what other gods you speak of? if you wish to worship jesus or Uzair or think you are saved or favored because you are this or that, it is your prerogative..

I believe in a Just God, that known no race, or distinction.. one that doesn't self-immolate and abrogate his laws through his nemesis or through dreams of doubting thomases.. one that knows how to pick disciples that will uphold his testament not forsake him three times as he predicted (peter) before the alleged eve of his death.. a God that doesn't forsake but honors, doesn't self-immolate but upholds, doesn't accurse the earth he created for he knew what it bore!



all the best

 

[Great I am not]

God is the Judge - the greatest of Judgers - God is the all wise - I'm not so why should the dim Judge the all wise.

I have looked at other so called dieties and the Quran gives some serious refuataions to them.

Is your knowledge weak on the Quran because you seem to love the bible far more?

I love no book. That would be idolatry.

It has been 20 years since I read the Qur'an. I have read 8 different Bibles and find some wisdom in all of them.

I see man as having two natures. A political one and a spiritual one.
Man is in his totality, is judged by his philosophy of life. This can come from a political God, so to speak, or a religious God.

Both the political Gods and the religious Gods should be judged by their philosophies.

That is why I ask questions on justice that have so far been ignored.

It is impossible for me to judge then if your God is better than any other.

You say that your God is all wise but do not show His laws.
You say he is the greatest judge without showing His great judgments.
Rhetoric is cheep in any religion.

I came here to see your diamonds and am shown coal.

Regards
DL

 

[جوري]

I love no book. That would be idolatry.

It has been 20 years since I read the Qur'an. I have read 8 different Bibles and find some wisdom in all of them.

I see man as having two natures. A political one and a spiritual one.
Man is in his totality, is judged by his philosophy of life. This can come from a political God, so to speak, or a religious God.

Both the political Gods and the religious Gods should be judged by their philosophies.

That is why I ask questions on justice that have so far been ignored.

It is impossible for me to judge then if your God is better than any other.

You say that your God is all wise but do not show His laws.
You say he is the greatest judge without showing His great judgments.
Rhetoric is cheep in any religion.

I came here to see your diamonds and am shown coal.

Regards
DL

1-ah but to have 8 of the same book while shelving one on a vine-- that would be? indoctrination

2-man being judged in his totality by his 'spiritual' nature would make him incomplete.. since we weren't created in just a spiritual state.. in fact how unjust of God to create us and not give us the tools by which to live a better life.. carry out justice?

3-Your questions have all been answered. Your dislike of the responses is a matter all together different

4- you speak of rhetoric, yet you haven't shared but the mindless drivel of a man who follows his whim

5- and lastly, imagine how terrible it is for us to assume a philosopher and end up with a bible thumper..

all the best

 

[Zafran]

just that you dont use any other scripture except the bible - the first post and many that followed by you are full of biblical verses.

Your post actually reminds me of the person who trades a valuable gem thinking its a piece of rock for coal which he believes is a gem........only to find later that the Gem he had traded was always worth more.

peace

 

[Great I am not]

that is an excellent question indeed.. as there are levels of religiosity, there are levels of sin.. not all are created equal.. hence:

The Message of the Quran​

Muhammad Asad​

​

AL-ZALZALAH (THE EARTHQUAKE)​

THE NINETY-NINTH SURAH
Total Verses: 8
PERIOD UNCERTAIN​

Introduction​

MOST PROBABLY revealed in the early part of the Medina period (itqan), although some authorities regard it as a Meccan revelation.​

IN THE NAME OF GOD, THE MOST GRACIOUS, THE DISPENSER OF GRACE:​

IN THE NAME OF GOD, THE MOST GRACIOUS, THE DISPENSER OF GRACE:

(1) WHEN THE EARTH quakes with her [last] mighty quaking,

(2) and [when] the earth yields up her burdens, 1

(3) and man cries out, "What has happened to her?" -

(4) on that Day will she recount all her tidings,

(5) as thy Sustainer will have inspired her to do! 2

(6) On that Day will all men come forward, cut off from one another, 3 to be shown their [past] deeds.

(7) And so, he who shall have done an atom's weight of good, shall behold it;

(8) and he who shall have done an atom's weight of evil, shall behold it.


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1 I.e., all that was hitherto hidden in it, including the bodies- or the remnants - of the dead.

2 I.e., on the Day of Judgment the earth will bear witness, as it were, to all that has ever been done by man: an explanation given by the Prophet, according to a Tradition on the authority of Abu Hurayrah (quoted by Ibn Hanbal and Tirmidhi).

3 Lit., ''as separate entities" (ashtatan). Cf. 6:94 - "And now, indeed, you have come unto Us in a lonely state, even as We created you in the first instance": thus stressing the individual, untransferable responsibility of every human being.



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I have always personally marveled at how Christians claim that all that needed be was a belief in jesus having eaten your sins as all that was needed to get to heaven.. people like Anna Nicole Smith and Mother Theresa equal in christ...

hell and heaven have their gates and their levels.. (way before Dante plagiarized it)

all the best

Thanks for all that but you did not answer my question.

Your hell then has different levels. Are those there forever? Is that what your levels are, timing?

The Christian say that once in their hell, there is no getting out forever.

Regards
DL

 

[Great I am not]

as an addendum to the above.. we don't get to heaven or hell because of our deeds.. if you spent your entire life in prayer and worship you'd not account for your Lord's blessings..
we get there by God's grace and mercy which is the law he assigned unto himself...
your deeds good or bad are negligible in the face of blessings of this life and eternal life!

There are unforgivable cardinal sins -- everything else can be forgiven...
God so tells us in the Quran, he is our cherisher and sustainer ...

Which are the cardinal sin's?

Regards
DL

 

[Great I am not]

You delude yourself only. Have you even read the verses that came before and after Peter 3:9

BEFORE (This speaks of the punishments for disbelief)

But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. Peter 3:7

AFTER (this shows what exactly His promise is)

But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up. Peter 3:10

It is obvious that God is affirming the destruction for sinners and disbelievers and promising Judgement Day and the destruction of the earth. Not only have you cherrypicked a verse to placate the delude notion that disbelievers will be in heaven. He wants us to become believers but He wills for the people who don't to be destroyed. He desires that we not sin and gives us guidance but leaves it up to us. He also desires that disbelievers be destroyed.

I had a hard time telling if yours was a joke post or not.

My jokes do not write well.

Is it your view then that it is God's will that some souls be lost to Him?

------------------------------

So you see God creating our natures and souls.
If we then follow our God given natures, they lead us to eternal ****ation.

If God did not want us to follow our natures as given then why not give us the ones that will lead us to heaven instead of hell?

Regards
DL

 

[Great I am not]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Hazrat Abu Hurairah (Radhiallaho anho) narrated that Rasulullah (Sallallaho alaihe wasallam) has said, [/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"Almighty Allah says, 'I treat my slave (man) according to his expectations from Me, and I am with him when he remembers me. If he remembers Me in his heart, I remember him in My heart; if he remembers Me in a gathering, I remember him in a better and nobler gathering (i.e. of angels) if he comes closer to Me by one span, I go towards him a cubit's length, if he comes toward Me by a cubit's length, I go towards him an arm's length, and if he walks towards Me, I run unto him."[/FONT]




[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]btw, just so we are on the same level.. I wouldn't compare the bible with the Quran.. if anything at all, perhaps a comparison of ahadith, though they themselves have a strong chain of Isnad that can't be said of the bible and certainly not through dubious characters that god allegedly spoke to after his death which seemed to have abrogated all his old laws![/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]all the best
[/FONT]​

The same rhetoric is in many Bibles. The more you give the more you will receive.
I will give Allah points for being honest with Muslims by naming them slaves. The Christian God covers His slave owner ways by His so called free will of do it my way or burn. An ultimatum and not free will at all.

Regards
DL

 

[Zafran]

maybe you should go to a christain forum and talk to them about your beef with the bible?

 

[Great I am not]

1-ah but to have 8 of the same book while shelving one on a vine-- that would be? indoctrination

I have no idea as to what this means.
If you mean that I have a prefference for one of the 8 you would be wrong.

2-man being judged in his totality by his 'spiritual' nature would make him incomplete.. since we weren't created in just a spiritual state.. in fact how unjust of God to create us and not give us the tools by which to live a better life.. carry out justice?

Thwe way I see things, God has given us all we need.

3-Your questions have all been answered. Your dislike of the responses is a matter all together different

They have not.

4- you speak of rhetoric, yet you haven't shared but the mindless drivel of a man who follows his whim

Yes, I am a free thinker talking to those with a slave mentality.

5- and lastly, imagine how terrible it is for us to assume a philosopher and end up with a bible thumper..

all the best

I give the quotes I need to help a point be understood.
I am happy to look at any quote you wish to give. I do like them short though.

I use the K J Bible for discussions. The God of the Bible is not my God. Mine has no name as yet.

Regards
DL

 

[Great I am not]

just that you dont use any other scripture except the bible - the first post and many that followed by you are full of biblical verses.

Your post actually reminds me of the person who trades a valuable gem thinking its a piece of rock for coal which he believes is a gem........only to find later that the Gem he had traded was always worth more.

peace

When Constantine bought the Church and Bible, they basically consolidated most of the teachings of the other religions and sects of that day. It is also the one I know best and find it good for discussions.

The Bible God is not my God. I have yet to find a Bible worthy of my God.

Regards
DL

 

[جوري]

Thanks for all that but you did not answer my question.

The verse testifies that if you do an 'atom's' worth of good or bad deeds you'll see it.. 'atoms' by the way are a modern find.. already mentioned in the Quran centuries ago.. no matter.. it should denote to you that even if you were just a smidgen good you'll be rewarded for it!

Your hell then has different levels. Are those there forever? Is that what your levels are, timing?

Time belongs to God.. yes some people can have a temporary stay in hell, and then come out.

The Christian say that once in their hell, there is no getting out forever.

Regards
DL

well that is what the Christians say, their beliefs are inconsequential to me

Which are the cardinal sin's?

Regards
DL

Kufr and shirk
atheists, polytheists, and those who associate Gods with God or pray to saints etc .

I give the quotes I need to help a point be understood.
I am happy to look at any quote you wish to give. I do like them short though.

I use the K J Bible for discussions. The God of the Bible is not my God. Mine has no name as yet.

Regards
DL

I have spent junior high and high school in catholic school .. for which I was grateful.. I have learned about another religion from their point of view and decided it wasn't for me.. thus you pointing me quotes will avail you naught.. the very basic fulcrum upon which Christianity stands is something I don't accept or will ever believe in, it would be an unfair waste of your time, to have you quoting large passages that mean nothing to me historically or spiritually...

all the best

 

[Great I am not]

maybe you should go to a christain forum and talk to them about your beef with the bible?

I do on occasion.
They do not believe their Bible.
Have you not noticed that if in one sect, you can only have one wife. If in another sect, you can have as many as you can afford.

Generally speaking, as a religion, Christianity is a house divided against itself. It cannot stand.

Islam seems to be going the same way with different sects and some even preferring secular government over Islamic law.

As a Religionist and believer, I find the overall world trend to secularism to be less than what I would prefer.

Regards
DL

 

[جوري]

I do on occasion.
They do not believe their Bible.
Have you not noticed that if in one sect, you can only have one wife. If in another sect, you can have as many as you can afford.

Generally speaking, as a religion, Christianity is a house divided against itself. It cannot stand.

Islam seems to be going the same way with different sects and some even preferring secular government over Islamic law.

As a Religionist and believer, I find the overall world trend to secularism to be less than what I would prefer.

Regards
DL

Greetings

85-90% of Muslims are sunni..
the Sunni (85%) and Shi'a (15%).
shia literally means faction, any faction therefore that splits off belongs to that 15%.. they are negligible and not recognized by the majority-- nonetheless unlike with Christianity they use the exact same Quran whatever way they choose to interpret as deviates from proper jurisprudence is their prerogative, but it has no bearing on the whole or the preservation!
I don't think you have a minute understanding of Islam as you allege, it would have been obvious just from the minor things you throw out here and there..

all the best