Is it a Womens fault for being raped?

[CosmicPathos]

we are going of the topic , but i see your point

it is actually partially related to your topic. Rape is not always about dominance-submission dynamics. Sometimes its just the only outlet for getting the seed out, albeit an extremely wrong one. Hence, I brought libido and that stuff in.

 

[Mysterious Uk]

No of course not, rape is wrong no matter who the victim is! Placing blame on the victim of rape is disgusting, the idea that a girl almost 'deserves' rape for dressing immodestly is appalling not to mention ridiculous.

 

[Alpha Dude]

the idea that a girl almost 'deserves' rape for dressing immodestly is appalling not to mention ridiculous.

I don't think anybody here would say that a girl deserves it.

 

[Mysterious Uk]

I didn't mean it like that.. I meant by putting blame on a victim of rape, there is a sense of justification for rape.

 

[S<Chowdhury]

I didn't mean it like that.. I meant by putting blame on a victim of rape, there is a sense of justification for rape.

Yes, we should never justify the rape.

 

[CosmicPathos]

Yes, we should never justify the rape.

On that note, I think we humans should develop better tools for differentiating between actual rape and willful-sex-turned-rape claims made by women, for better security of the society.

 

[Clover]

I do not think it is her fault. I think their are a lot of girls who set themselves up, I go to high school where a lot of girls wear clothing I consider in-appropriate because it is meant to provoke men and they know it. They think its funny, I guess it is in a way; but then again, when a guy goes after her I think it is wrong for him at the most.

Men who rape are nothing but pigs, I do not care if the woman was walking naked, a man should know how/when to control himself. A good quote came to mind:
“Born to be wild - live to outgrow it.”-Lao Tzu

 

[S<Chowdhury]

There shouldn't even be a chance for someone to vote yes....or maybe:hmm:


Moddddddddssssss!

Just to see how people feel about the issue, and the fact is someone actually does believe its totally the womens fault if she dresses immodestly that she should be raped from the poll...... hopefully it was a mistake but then again..... :hmm:

 

[CosmicPathos]

I do not think it is her fault. I think their are a lot of girls who set themselves up, I go to high school where a lot of girls wear clothing I consider in-appropriate because it is meant to provoke men and they know it. They think its funny, I guess it is in a way; but then again, when a guy goes after her I think it is wrong for him at the most.

Men who rape are nothing but pigs, I do not care if the woman was walking naked, a man should know how/when to control himself. A good quote came to mind:
“Born to be wild - live to outgrow it.”-Lao Tzu

Ok, keeping Islamic teachings aside, is it wrong for a man to stare at a woman walking naked? Does he has the freedom to look as that woman has teh freedom to not wear anything?

 

[Raaina]

thank you so much for making it easier for us to realize what belief in secular values does to human's understanding of what is a crime and what is not. Maybe wearing skimpy clothing is NOT a crime in the UK, but it indeed is a crime in an Islamic emirate and is severely punishable for corrupting the society.

In response to this it might be said that it is reported in a saheeh hadeeth that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:

“There are two types of the people of Hell whom I have not seen yet. People with whips like the tails of cattle, with which they strike the people, and women who are clothed yet naked, walking with an enticing gait. They will not enter Paradise nor even smell its fragrance, although its fragrance may be detected from such and such a distance.”

I'm sure people in skimpy clothing somehow AREN'T following Islamic rule.
You were comparing someone who wore what is deemed by some as skimpy clothing to make themselves feel good with someone who rapes someone to make themselves feel good.

I don't see how you can compare them equally when one is an illegal offence and the other is not. Thats all I was saying. There was no need for your sarcastic tone.

 

[sister herb]

Don´t forget that many women become raped also at they homes, by some close relative. At those cases it is usually just same how they are dressed.

:hmm:

 

[CosmicPathos]

I'm sure people in skimpy clothing somehow AREN'T follwoing Islamic rule.
You were comparing someone who wore what is deemed by some as skimpy clothing to make themselves feel good with someone who rapes someone to make themselves feel good.

I don't see how you can compare them equally when one is an illegal offence and the other is not. Thats all I was saying. There was no need for your sarcastic tone.

Sure, there was a difference. One was violating her own dignity, other was infringing on the rights of another woman.

My "sarcastic" tone was targeted to your comment in which you said "wearing a skimpy clothing is not a crime while rape is a crime." In reality, both are crimes with different severities but they are still crimes.

 

[Raaina]

Sure, there was a difference. One was violating her own dignity, other was infringing on the rights of another woman.

My "sarcastic" tone was targeted to your comment in which you said "wearing a skimpy clothing is not a crime while rape is a crime." In reality, both are crimes with different severities but they are still crimes.

How is she violating her own dignaty if that is what she chooses to wear?
What happend to people should be allowed to wear what they want?

You said in your previous post wearing skimpy clothing isn't a crime and now you are saying it is...kind of contradicting.

So you were making sarcastic remarks at actual facts of law... is there a point to that? Or is it that you somehow believe they don't apply if the woman is wearing skimpy clothing?

 

[CosmicPathos]

How is she violating her own dignaty if that is what she chooses to wear?
What happend to people should be allowed to wear what they want?

You said in your previous post wearing skimpy clothing isn't a crime and now you are saying it is...kind of contradicting.

So you were making sarcastic remarks at actual facts of law... is there a point to that? Or is it that you somehow believe they don't apply if the woman is wearing skimpy clothing?

How is a man violating his dignity if he chooses to masturbate in public? Yet you, and majority of humans would consider him to have fallen from his dignity as a sane man. Youtube would be quickly uploaded with videos of such a man.

Where did I say that wearing skimpy clothing is not a crime? If it is not a crime then why would such women go to Hell as the Prophet stated?

No, people should not be allowed to wear what they want if it is against Islamic injunctions, at least in Islamic emirate. Maybe you are talking about your country. This is an Islamic forum and we talk in reference to Islamic principles here.

Those are no where "actual facts of law" in Islam. Maybe of the law in your country.

 

[Clover]

Ok, keeping Islamic teachings aside, is it wrong for a man to stare at a woman walking naked? Does he has the freedom to look as that woman has teh freedom to not wear anything?

That's a opinion. It is against the law, here at least, for someone to walk out in public nude, it is also illegal for them to be raped. Their is a fine line between looking at a woman who is walking naked, and raping her.

Freedom as in within the nation's laws or within life? A man can do ANYTHING he wants, if a country says its illegal, doesn't mean he can't do it, means if he does, he might be punished because he broke the law of that nation.

 

[Raaina]

How is a man violating his dignity if he chooses to masturbate in public? Yet you, and majority of humans would consider him to have fallen from his dignity as a sane man. Youtube would be quickly uploaded with videos of such a man.

Where did I say that wearing skimpy clothing is not a crime? If it is not a crime then why would such women go to Hell as the Prophet stated?

No, people should not be allowed to wear what they want if it is against Islamic injunctions, at least in Islamic emirate. Maybe you are talking about your country. This is an Islamic forum and we talk in reference to Islamic principles here.

Those are no where "actual facts of law" in Islam. Maybe of the law in your country.

I wasn't talking about masterbating in public, we were talking about rape.
Since you are obviously not capable of discussing this other then from an Islamic Law point of view DESPITE the fact that NOT EVERYONE on here is Muslim OR lives in a Muslim country, I won't discuss this any further with you, clearly I am out of my area. My appologies.

 

[CosmicPathos]

That's a opinion. It is against the law, here at least, for someone to walk out in public nude, it is also illegal for them to be raped. Their is a fine line between looking at a woman who is walking naked, and raping her.

Freedom as in within the nation's laws or within life? A man can do ANYTHING he wants, if a country says its illegal, doesn't mean he can't do it, means if he does, he might be punished because he broke the law of that nation.

I never absolved that "fine line." Rather I am asking would that man be sued if he decided to stare at a naked woman?

Well in some countries of Europe, it is allowed to be naked in public. Denmark comes to my mind I think. They had topless women holding "slow down" signs for traffic.

 

[Clover]

I never absolved that "fine line." Rather I am asking would that man be sued if he decided to stare at a naked woman?

Well in some countries of Europe, it is allowed to be naked in public. Denmark comes to my mind I think. They had topless women holding "slow down" signs for traffic.

If the woman is in public, naked, she is breaking the law, and the man cannot help that. I doubt he could legally be charged with anything at all. He could probably sue the lady in this country.

Well, that is their country.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

The woman is responsible just as much as the man. The woman should dress modestly yes of COURSE...and the man should use his brain and have some common sense...plain and simple. Both are equally responsible.

Think about our sisters who are covered yet been raped in war torn places...so NO it's not all the woman's fault. Covered or not, the guy is s loser for doing it. But because you have other women who don't seem to care about their self respect...some men won't. If you don't respect yourself, how do you expect someone else to respect you?