Is it haram for male teachers to teach female students?

[islamirama]

Selam aleykum,

Brother islamirama, I must say, those links kinda confused me and I gotta point out some things. So here are some links I recommend you to read:

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...h-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503547498

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...h-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503545080

http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?askid=1d8b550f1b336f117c15ed3a9a01c69a

Wa'alaikum as'salaam,

thank you for the reply however, here's my take on the matter.

I dont' trust islamonline as they don't have a strong knowledge based backing to for their answers and if i'm not mistaken, they are not 100% authentic in their info.

As for askimam, i don't even bother wasting my time with that site. The guy just gives his short answer and you just have to take it at face value.

I like islamqa because the sheikh gives the answer with quranic and hadith proof to back it up. And he also includes fatwas from other scholars on the matter. So over all he give a much more comprehensive answer than the sites you have listed.

lastly, i don't know is sitting behind those sites nor do i know the qualifications. This shiekh howerver has studied under shiekh uthaymneen, bin baaz and many other well known scholars of our time.

Firstly this piece from link one:

I find this statement to almost force a woman to think 'further education' is not necessary, 'cause it's totally haram if there's any male there. Some people don't have a choice, there are no just female schools, for example here where I live. Of course if there is, one should consider why you don't attend it, as it's way better to go there Islamically thinking.. Is it money that stops you? Or simply don't wanting to go? The intention plays a big role here.

In this time of life, people cannot go uneducated or their lives will be very hard, uneccessary hard, especially for a woman who is not really suited to do physically demanding jobs like males can do, and I'm thinking

What you think of this statement is because of your lack of islamic knowledge. Islam encourages education so much that it is made obligatory on Muslims to seek knowledge, both men and women. But at the same time Islam has set guidelines and limits in everything, including education, for us to adhere to. The person asked what is the Islamic stand on guy teaching female students, well the Islamic stand is just that what i've posted.

Now what about people like you who have no girls only school available and what not. Islamically you can't touch a non-mahram, but medically you have given some permission. See first you find a doctor of same gender, but if you can't and you need medical attention then out of due necessity, Islam allows you to be treated by opposite gender. Now i'm not saying you can go to mixed gender school out of due necessity, but i'm also not saying that you can sit home and remain uneducated. Everyone's situation is different.

Also, like you said. It's hard to be uneducated and get far much in life in this day and age. There are sisters who do university from home, do islamic studies from home. You can get any degree of secular education from online universities, you can get islamic degrees from online as well. As for younger grades, many people are homeschooling their kids. Many americans are doing that these days as well because of the indecent exposer their kids can get from going to school. So yea the opportunities are there and more so today then before to even do your whole education from K-university.

And then in the second link it said the following:

I beg you pardon, but the majority of scholars do not say niqaab, or covering the whole face + eyes, as obligatory, and that covering the hair and body with loose clothing which does not sexually attract, is the full hijab. Face and hands can be visible.

You can beg my pardon all you want, but can you please bring proof of these "majority scholars" that say niqaab is not obligatory? Many scholars will say that it is obligatory based on plenty of evidence from Sunnah. ( here's one - [FONT=Verdana, Arial]Niqab[/FONT] ) And many scholars will not say its obligatory but will say its good/better if they do it.

I highly recommend you (and everyone else here) watch the 3 part video below. It is a different sheikh talking on the issue of niqaab. I very highly recommend listening to part 3 for the hijabis only as it talks about the proper hijab compared the hijabi fashion "models" we see today.

The Niqab -
Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/v/RZe44SX0EBo&rel=1
Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/v/7_jpPYcX60Q&rel=1
Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/v/i-lW7Qb3mQM&rel=1

Now I'm not saying that everyone has to do niqaab or they are going to hell. Everyone is at different level of emaan in their life and every one will do as much as they have courage to do. I"m strictly speaking of Islamically what is to be covered and how much and what not.

As for those who made remarks of "harshness" and "strict", you (bros & sis) should think twice before uttering such statments. Many things are direct command from Allah and His Messenger. And HE has said in the Quran those who obey the Messenger HAS obeyed Allah. And the Messenger has left us an example of what true Islam is and how to follow it. These "harsh" scholars have stated only the hadeeth showing what was done in those days and what Islam says. If that is too harsh for you, perhaps you need to reassess your life and knowledge and see on what basis are you passing such a judgment on scholars and on islamic rulings.

There are people who say shaking hands it ok. How would you like it if i struck a nail in your head with a hammer? would that hurt? i bet it'll hurt like hell! but guess what, the Prophet (saws) said it is BETTER that you be stuck in the head with a nail THEN to touch a palm of a woman. And those who do, they will have a hot burning coal placed in their hand. And the fire of hell is 70 times stronger than the fire of this duniya. So you tell me, is islam harsh or are these people weak in practice?

 

[Malaikah]

islamirama, good post.eace:

of course, going by your nick, you are slightly biased. :giggling:

LOL! An extremophile is actually a type of micro-organism that lives in extreme places (very hot, very cold, low oxygen, etc).:coolious:

 

[snakelegs]

LOL! An extremophile is actually a type of micro-organism that lives in extreme places (very hot, very cold, low oxygen, etc).:coolious:

interesting - and here i always thought.....it sort of suited you, you know?
now i know why you're swimming in yellowstone too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremophile

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

For God sake, Islam is so easy & practical religion, don't make it impracticle one.:-

Fiqh-us-Sunnah: Supererogatory Prayer. Fiqh 2.153.
Ibn Hajar writes in Fath al-Bari, "Ibn as-Siraj related from Abu az-Zinad on the authority of 'Urwah from 'Aishah that the Prophet said that day: 'Let the Jews of Medinah know that our religion is spacious [and has room for relaxation] and I have been sent with an easy and straight forward religion. "'
Islam of Prophet Muhammad(saw) is EASY religion while “talibanised” ppl like u r making it impossible-to-follow religion.



Lot of women used to come to Prophet to ask Qs. They were like female students.

Prophet used to answer them(teach them) like a male teacher.

So do we still need a fatwa on this issue???!!!
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just a side thing, there are actually mistakes made in fiqh us-sunnah. check this out, ishallah.

 

[Roasted Cashew]

islamirama, good post.eace:

islamirama: The questions remains unanswered. So, what is the answer. YES or NO. I mean can you just write it down here and not giving me all the links. Thanks though.

 

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:salamext:

^ Yes. :-\

 

[Malaikah]

Do you mean the answer to the question about a man teaching a class of women? I'm sure you will find that everyone has already clarified that it is fine.

 

[M H Kahn]

I think the same way but some say that only female teachers should teach female students and vice versa. Can someone proof that this is a wrong statement.

Allah's messengers were the greatest teachers, but none of them was a female. If a male teacher should not teach females, then how have all the male messengers taught the whole mankind of males and females? Allah did not send any female messengers to teach His unity to the females.:statisfie

 

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[islamirama]

islamirama: The questions remains unanswered. So, what is the answer. YES or NO. I mean can you just write it down here and not giving me all the links. Thanks though.

The links i gave had clear enough answer in it.

Women should teach female students and men should teach male students. If a male teaches female students then proper islamic guidelines must be followered as stated previously.

Boys and girls schools should be separate as that is the Islamic way, and seeing you are in malaysia, it should not be hard to find those. But if one does go to a mixed school instead, the very least they can do is adhere to proper Islamic guidelines in dealing with other gender, like these ones:

http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=1497&ln=eng

Allahu Alim...

 

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:salamext:

^ Yeh but sometimes you don't have that facility!!

 

[sur]

Pls, I'm not a Taliban nor "talibanized". I was asking this question after reading an article in TIME Magazine about female education in Afghanistan. What caught my attention is that some parents won't allow their female children to go to school because the teachers or male. BUT the teachers are male ONLY because there is shortage of female teachers. I think these parents need to be thought Islam first before they ruin their children's life.

I'm sorry for using this word. I tried to edit it immediately but u caught it before that.

 

[thirdwatch512]

Did Muhammad not make a separate day to teach the women?

Did men not come to Aisha and ask her questions!

Does early Islam not have a GREAT record of having female scholars in early times?!!

 

[Al-Zaara]

There is no need to be so defensive. The shaykh was asked his opinion and he gave it. He has every right to follow the opinion that niqaab is compulsory.

^ She was not being 'defensive', she was merely stating other scholars opinions on the matter.

JazakiAllah kheyr sister AhLÄÄM.

What you think of this statement is because of your lack of islamic knowledge. Islam encourages education so much that it is made obligatory on Muslims to seek knowledge, both men and women. But at the same time Islam has set guidelines and limits in everything, including education, for us to adhere to.

Selam aleykum we rahmetallahu,

I definitely lack of Islamic knowledge, inshaAllah it will increase in time, but that what you just said was my main point with that post. I've been around islamQA for long, and that I as a Muslim could get slightly confused, makes me not even wanna think what others with less knowledge than I might get thinking after reading that.

Someone said it, that you have to realize that some rulings are more or less pointed at societies with Muslim majority.

Now i'm not saying you can go to mixed gender school out of due necessity, but i'm also not saying that you can sit home and remain uneducated. Everyone's situation is different.

And that was exactly my point, that everyone's situation is different and therefor much often need to talk with a learned one about it specifically ('cause that's the best option!).

You can beg my pardon all you want, but can you please bring proof of these "majority scholars" that say niqaab is not obligatory? Many scholars will say that it is obligatory based on plenty of evidence from Sunnah. ( here's one - [FONT=Verdana, Arial]Niqab[/FONT] ) And many scholars will not say its obligatory but will say its good/better if they do it.

Many do say indeed, that it is recommended. There is also plenty of evidence that it is not obligatory. So it brings us to what sister Malaikah so hard tried to explain, it is the scholar''s own opinion that he has chosen to take (after lots of studying of course!) and it happens to be that there are many who disagree and take another stance on that matter. With this said, I don't believe I have to start posting evidences on 'why niqaab isn't obligatory'.


Selam aleykum

 

[islamirama]

Many do say indeed, that it is recommended.


Selam aleykum

Muslims and Muslimahs across the world have been in "hot debate" for centuries, over the issue of whether or not covering the face is obligatory upon a Muslimah. Those who argue that it is not required, point to the use of the word khimar in the Qur'an, and explain that today's modern khimar does not cover the face, and argue that khimar has never referred to the covering of the face, but only to that of the hair, neck, and bosoms. While one cannot deny the support of Hadith that indicate that the Prophet's wives wore khimar, one must realize that they also covered their faces at all times in the presence of non-mahram men.

The group of scholars agree that it is a highly recommended act to cover the face. The scholars also agree that a woman must cover her adornment, yet some scholars argue that this does not include the face.​

The following Fatawa is from Sheikh Ibn Uthaimin:​

"The Islamic hijab is for the women to cover everything that is forbidden for her to expose. That is, she covers everything that she must cover.
"The first of those bodily parts that she must cover is her face. It is the source of temptation and the source of people desiring her. Therefore, the woman must cover her face in front of those men that are not Mahram (i.e. father, huband, etc.).

"As for those who claim that Islamic hijab is to cover the head, shoulders, back, feet, shin and forearms while allowing her to uncover her face and hands, this is a very amazing claim. This is because it is well-known that the source of temptation and looking is the face. How can one say that the Shariah does no allow the exposure of the foot of the woman while it allows her to uncover her face?

"It is not possible that there could be in the Esteemed, Wise and Noble Shariah a contradiction. Yet everyone knows that the temptation from uncovering the face is much greater than the temptation that results from the uncovering of the feet. Everyone also knows that the most sought after aspect of the woman for men is the face. If you told a prospective groom that a woman’s face is ugly but her feet are beautiful, he would not propose to such a woman.

"However, if you told him that her face was beautiful but her hands, palms, or shins were less than beautiful, he would still propose to her. From this one can conclude that the face is the first thing that must be covered.
"There are also evidences from the Book of Allah (SWT) and the Sunnah of our Prophet (SAW). There are also statements from the Companions, the leading Imams and the great scholars of Islam that indicate that it is obligatory for the woman to cover all of her body in the presence of non-Mahram men. This obviously indicates that it is obligatory upon the woman to cover her face in front of such men."

There is also plenty of evidence that it is not obligatory.

The Ulamah who are of the opinion that it is permissible to look at the face and hands of a strange woman (who is not mahrrum) (niqab is not obligatory) say so mainly for the following reasons.


The hadeeth of Ayeshah (Radhiallaahu Ánha) when Asmaa (Radhiallaahu Ánha) the daughter of Abu Bakr came to the Rasulullaah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) while wearing thin clothing. He approached her and said: 'O Asmaa! When a girl reaches the menstrual age, it is not proper that anything should remain exposed except this and this. He pointed to the face and hands. But this hadeeth is WEAK because of 2 main weaknesses.​

1. There is no link between Ayeshah (Radhiallaahu Ánha) and Khalid bin Dareek, who narrated the hadith from her. And in every chain of narrators Khalid bin Dareek is mentioned.​
2. In the chain of narrators Sa'eed bin Basheer appears, who is known by most of the Muhaditheen as being a weak narrator.​

This has been mentioned by Imaam Ahmad bin Hanbal (Rahimahullah), An-Nasai (Rahimahullah), Ibn Madeeni (Rahimahullah) and Ibn Ma'een (Rahimahullah). This is also why Imaam Bukhari (Rahimahullah) and Muslim (Rahimahullah) did not except this hadeeth to be in their books. (From Shaikh Ibn Uthaymeen in the book "Hijaab" pages # 17 and 18.)

We also have to see that the Muhadith Abu Dawood when he quoted this hadeeth put with it that it is Mursal (with a broken chain that does not lead up to the Sahabah).

(From The Book "Hijaab wa Safur" under the fatwaa of Shaikh Abdul Aziz Bin Bazz on Page #61. Also stated as being weak by Shaikh Nasiruddeen Al-Albaani in his Daeef Sunan Abu Dawud in Kitab-ul-Libas under hadeeth number 4092 (which is the original hadeeth number.)

An other thing that shows the weakness of this hadith is that after the ayah for hijab (Surah Al-Ahzaab – Verse #59) was revealed then the women of Sahaba wore a complete veil and covered the faces and hands. This includes Asmaa (Radhiallaahu Ánha) the daughter of Abu Bakr, who is supposed to have narrated this hadeeth. Asmaa (Radhiallaahu Ánha) covered herself completely including the face, this has been narrated in authentic hadeeth in Imaam Malik's "MUWATTA Book 20 Hadeeth # 20.5.16."

So it brings us to what sister Malaikah so hard tried to explain, it is the scholar''s own opinion that he has chosen to take (after lots of studying of course!)

Firstly scholars are inheritors of the prophet since prophet's leave behind nothing but knowledge. So their "own" opinions are not personal opinions but rather onces based on their study and understanding of the Quran and sunnah.

Even then, We don't even need scholarly opinion on this matter since its so simple. Just look at the hadith that are sound, unless someone lacks common sense or deny these ahadith, it is very apparent where Islam stands on this matter.

Narrated 'Aisha (RA) who said, "The riders would pass us while we were with the Messenger of Allah

). When they got close to us, we would draw our outer cloak from our heads over our faces. When they passed by, we would uncover our faces."

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]Hadith - Bukhari 6:282[/FONT] [FONT=Helvetica, Arial]'Aisha [/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]used to say: "When (the Verse): 'They should draw their veils over their necks and bosoms,' was revealed, (the ladies) cut their waist sheets at the edges and covered their faces with the cut pieces."[/FONT]



[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]Hadith - Abu Dawud, Narrated Umm Salamah, Ummul Mu'minin[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]When the verse "That they should cast their outer garments over their persons" was revealed, the women of Ansar came out as if they had crows over their heads by wearing outer garments.[/FONT]

The lower half of the hijab is a garment that does not show the woman's figure. Jeans and certain obvious garments do not meet this requirement.

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]Hadith - Abu Dawud, Narrated Dihyah ibn Khalifah al-Kalbi[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial] The Apostle of Allah [/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]was brought some pieces of fine Egyptian linen and he gave me one and said: Divide it into two; cut one of the pieces into a shirt and give the other to your wife for veil. Then when he turned away, he said: And order your wife to wear a garment below it and not show her figure.[/FONT]​

 

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:salamext:

I think this thread has served its purpose.

Just heated debates will get us nowhere.

:threadclo

 

[*Marwah]

sister
i heard from people that it is oright him to teach female onless they dont tuch u
:thankyou:

 

[M H Kahn]

sister
i heard from people that it is oright him to teach female onless they dont tuch u
:thankyou:

Why should a touch a female student? Teaching in a decent way must be permissible.