is lobster halal?

How about kangaroos?

Kangaroo Meat

By Mufti Muhammad Taqi Usmani
Posted: 11 Zul Qa'Dah 1428, 22 November 2007



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Q.) A number of Muslim brothers and sistes in Australia have informed me that Kangaroo (Australian native anima) is halal. The reasoning they have provided is that it eats plants and grasses and does not eat other animal meat. Is this the only criteria in determining whether an animal is haram or halal? I have also been aware that the type of foot the animal has also determines that halal or haram status of animals?

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A.) Kangaroo is a halal animal because there is no basis for its prohibition. The only condition is that it should be slaughtered with all necessary conditions of Islamic slaughtering.


http://www.albalagh.net/qa/kangarro_meat.shtml
 
why would I need to know that since it is haram in my mazhab and I am not allowed to eat it in the first place?
I am so dumb its beyond belief, I only came here yesterday to get eHafiz to help me with something (he was kind enough to do that) but me being me got my self in to another fine mess in this thread. I'll go now to ask him to disable this account too

wasalam
 
don't be too hard on yourslef bro, we all learn and grow :)

ok that rhymed, anyway, differences in opinion should not be reason for expressing them.

aren't sharks endangered btw? are we allowed to eat such animals that are going to go extinct?
 
madhaab, are you refering to the Four Imams???
I believe this is why all the confusion, i just want to know the truth that all schools of thought agree on.
Which one has more credit than the others, there has to be one right.

Can we all agree that anything from the sea is halal.....

All three schools respected one another and there isn't really any enmity between them.Each one is legitimate and you can follow what makes sense to you.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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Crabs are haaram? Please clarify.

:w:
Muslim scholars in my place say, there are two kinds of crabs.
First, crabs that can live out of the water. These crabs are catagorized as amphibia, and these are haaram.
Second, crabs that cannot live out of the water, or can live out of the water for few moments but no longer. These are Halal, and we can eat these crabs.

And about lobster, all scholar in my place agree, lobster is halal.
 
Muslim scholars in my place say, there are two kinds of crabs.
First, crabs that can live out of the water. These crabs are catagorized as amphibia, and these are haaram.
Second, crabs that cannot live out of the water, or can live out of the water for few moments but no longer. These are Halal, and we can eat these crabs.

And about lobster, all scholar in my place agree, lobster is halal.

Wait. Are you trying to say crabs are amphibians???
 
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this is something which has always confused me too. I grew up eating crab and I really like it. However, aftr I became Muslim, someone told me that it is not permissible as it can live in and out of water. I;m unsure this is tru as I've always seen crabs within a wet environment. Allah knows best and as I was told this I have stayed away from crab just to be on the safe side. It would be nice to have soe clarification. Also, my friend told me that its only under Hanafi madhab that crab is not permissible.
 
^crabs and the rest of the crustaceans are ok, regardless of their living in water all the time or not. there is no evidence for making them haram.
 
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this is something which has always confused me too. I grew up eating crab and I really like it. However, aftr I became Muslim, someone told me that it is not permissible as it can live in and out of water..

Crab meat is halaal according to All scholars except Hanafi school...

the following are the opinions of the 4 Mazhabs regarding sea food:


1- Every animal that comes out of the sea to be Halal (Malik and Shafy).

2-Every animal that comes out of the sea to be Halal except ,the sea snake ,the frog,the crocodile.(Ibn Hanbal).

3- Every animal that comes out of the sea is Haram except the fish which not found float and dead.(Abu Hanifa)

4- the animals in sea that has similars on land should be treated the same

fpr example if there is an animal in the sea looks like a cow then it is ok to be eaten,and if an animal looks like a swine,dog etc not to be eaten (another opinion of Hanbali,Shafy)

The proofs for every opinion and the conclusion:


1- (Malik and Shafy).

[005:096] It is lawful for you to fish in the sea, and to eat what ye shall catch, as a provision for you and for those who travel.

the verse is general and no exception..


2- (Ibn Hanbal)all ok except the frog ,due to the hadith narrated in Abu Dawod That the prophet prohibited the killing of the frogs...
the crocodile cause it eats sometimes the humans
and the snake as it is one of the nastiest.

3- (Abu Hanifa) the other animals in sea except the fish is nasty and
the float fish is dead and all dead is forbidden 2:173 He hath only forbidden you dead meat, and blood, and the flesh of swine...


Conclusion:

The first opinion seems to be stronger as the Quranic proof text is clear and general without exception,and there is no other clue to make exceptions for the sea animals...


Abd Allah ibn Umar (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him eternal peace) said: “Two types of dead meat and two types of blood have been made lawful for our consumption: The two dead meats are: fish and locust, and the two types of blood are: liver and spleen.” (Sunan Abu Dawud, Musnad Ahmad, 2/97 and Sunan Ibn Majah, no: 3314)


Jabir ibn Abd Allah (Allah be pleased with him) said: “The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) sent troops to the sea-coast and appointed Abu Ubayda ibn al-Jarrah (Allah be pleased with him) as their commander, and they were 300 (men). We set out, and we had covered some distance on the way, when our journey-food and provision ran short. So Abu Ubayda ordered that all the food present with the troops be collected, and it was collected. Our journey-food was dates, and Abu Ubayda kept on giving us our daily share from it little by little until it decreased to such an extent that we did not receive except a date each. I (Jabir) asked: “How did you survive on one date?” He said: “We came to know its value when even that finished.” Jabir added: “Then we reached the sea (coast) where we found a fish like a small mountain. The people (i.e. troops) ate from it for 18 nights (i.e. days). Then Abu Ubayda ordered that two of its ribs be fixed on the ground (in the form of an arch) and that a she-camel be ridden and passed under them. So it passed under them without touching them.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, no: 4102, Kitab al-Maghazi)
 
1- Every animal that comes out of the sea to be Halal (Malik and Shafy).

2-Every animal that comes out of the sea to be Halal except ,the sea snake ,the frog,the crocodile.(Ibn Hanbal).

If I'm not mistaken, in Shafiite, animals that can live in both land and water are haraam... ie. sea snake, frog, crocodile, turtles, tortoise and some species of crabs that live on land...
 
Wait. Are you trying to say crabs are amphibians???
No !.
I say 'Muslim scholar in my place say'..................And they are not me.:D
I am disagree with them because I know crabs are not amphibians. And I ate crabs. Not only me, many Muslims in my place ate crabs, and no one forbade them.
In fact, that was not fatwa, just opinion.
 
No !.
I say 'Muslim scholar in my place say'..................And they are not me.:D
I am disagree with them because I know crabs are not amphibians. And I ate crabs. Not only me, many Muslims in my place ate crabs, and no one forbade them.
In fact, that was not fatwa, just opinion.


in Malaysia, there are two kind of crabs:

1) the crabs that live only under the sea... which they cant live without water... this is allowed to eat

2) the crabs which have no problem living on the land, on the tree, under the sea, under a rock, under your home .... this kind of crabs are prohibited...

Allahu Aalem
 
in Malaysia, there are two kind of crabs:

1) the crabs that live only under the sea... which they cant live without water... this is allowed to eat

2) the crabs which have no problem living on the land, on the tree, under the sea, under a rock, under your home .... this kind of crabs are prohibited...

Allahu Aalem
But I see in markets, those crabs can live in dry basket !.
Are those crabs in number 2) ?. :scared:
 
But I see in markets, those crabs can live in dry basket !.
Are those crabs in number 2) ?. :scared:

those crabs which considered halal here are the blue crabs, orange crabs and flower crabs...

i dont know about the crabs sold in Indonesian market.. maybe in can live for a while on land?

The reason why there are Number 2 crabs because there are crabs in Malaysia which dont live in the water, they live in jungles, on the trees...
 
If I'm not mistaken, in Shafiite, animals that can live in both land and water are haraam... ie. sea snake, frog, crocodile, turtles, tortoise and some species of crabs that live on land...


peace Bro,

The famous and authorized opinion in Shafie Mazhab is what I mentioned

Imam Al Nawawi wrote:

نقل النووي (27) أن الصحيح المعتمد عند الشافعية حل ميتة جميع ما في البحر إلا الضفدع .
قال أصحابنا أو بعضهم يحلي جميع ما فيه إلا الضفدع للنهي عن قتله أ.هـ .


The correct,authorized opinion in Shafie Mazhab that all what comes of the sea food is lawful except the frog.



Imam Ibn Qudama wrote in his book Al-Mughni:


وجاء في المغني لابن قدامة » كتاب الصيد والذبائح » مسألة حكم ما كان مأواه البحر وهو يعيش في البر » فصل حكم أكل ما لا يعيش إلا في الماء:
( 7829 ) فصل : وكل صيد البحر مباح , إلا الضفدع . وهذا قول الشافعي


Every sea food is lawful except the frog according to Imam Shafei....



peace
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so its halal!
most pple say it is...although some disagree. i guess we have to ask a scholar or sum1
jzk for the replies
 
those crabs which considered halal here are the blue crabs, orange crabs and flower crabs...

i dont know about the crabs sold in Indonesian market.. maybe in can live for a while on land?

The reason why there are Number 2 crabs because there are crabs in Malaysia which dont live in the water, they live in jungles, on the trees...

Yes if the crab can survive more than 1 day without water than that is not the type of crab that live in the sea...we should be very careful. Especially those dark coloured crabs.

lots of muslims that live in the village catch these kind of crabs and sell this to the non-muslims since it has high value and can make lots of money from it.
 

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