Is the 'Musilm' Ummah a racist ummah?

[Karl]

We don´t need the race purity - man can not even reproduce with another race. Here is only one race - human race. None of us is 100% of something - we all are mixed with other groups of people. But if it makes someone happier to glorify his or hers own genetic heritage - he can freely narrowing down his/hers own genealogy. Problems starts when this continues too long as hereditary diseases will increase as the genome becomes narrower.

Rubbish. All this "There is only one race, the human race" nonsense is a typical Marxist Jew propaganda catch cry used to encourage race mongrelization. "There is only one race, the human race" is one of the most moronic statements ever to be uttered. Look, if you want to believe you belong to some imaginary "universal race" then that's your choice to feel that way, but don't you dare speak on behalf of me and MY race and attempt to appropriate us. Please keep us OUT of it!

FYI, the different races have thrived and survived more than PERFECTLY well for thousands and thousands of years without having to miscegenate! The genetic pools of each respective race are more than ample in order to produce perfectly healthy offspring. It is true that too much incest after a while will likely cause genetic defects to arise. This is because the genetics has become too limited, but continuing to breed within an entire RACE poses no problems at all!

 

[anatolian]

[MENTION=20848]Karl[/MENTION] There is not one race. Allah created us as different races but we have one nation called "ummah" regardless of our races. Ummah is the nation of Muslims. You seem to fail to understand that your racial features which you are proud of, whatever they are, not given to you naturally but they are given to you by Allah as a test only. Our real essence is our souls. Our bodies are given to us inorder to live on this material world and it represent our side that is common with animals. All this life is a journey to understand that we are not just animals but we have "something " different.

 

[TDWT]

Insanity. I suggest Karl be banned. He is a racist antisemitic bigot. I hope you never have children or if you do, someone takes them away from you.

 

[anatolian]

I dont understand this mindset also. This is not a place to ban people. This is an internet forum which we can benefit from people whose opinions are different than ours even. Instead of calling him to be banned, you can tell him why he is wrong.

 

[azc]

Welcome to the forum.

I don't know why that would be considered sexist to say "that woman don't have to work because a man does it for you..."

Apart from the obvious of earning income if you are employed, doing household chores and bringing up children is a full time undertaking and can be without a break for periods of time. I have seen many with both husbands and wives working and leaving the upbringing of their children to some other people and mostly do not have the time to really be with the children. By the time they have built up their savings etc, the children have all grown up and have no time for them.

I feel that it is just human perception for this statement. I have children of my own and it is a tiring, no ending and often a thankless task to ensure that my children get the best I could give. And for this, I cannot thank my wife enough that she decided to stop working as soon as she conceived and to remain at home to be a mother and wife... (I also told her not to forget that she is a wife first and mother second because eventually, the kids will leave the roost and we are back to being husband and wife again). Raising children is probably way harder a task than to be employed.

My wife started working part time on an 'as and when is' basis when the children were older and required less supervision and now that our kids are 20 and 16 respectively, she is planning to start back and I am all for it..

Personally I feel it a bit sad when women feel it an 'inferior' thing if she is to commit herself to home duties. As a man and having to deal with raising of children myself, it is a very disciplined undertaking and something that should 1000% appreciated and not be taken for granted at all.


eace:

I live in a small town.
Our Muslim society is highly conservative. People , generally, don't allow their women to work

 

[azc]

Insanity. I suggest Karl be banned. He is a racist antisemitic bigot. I hope you never have children or if you do, someone takes them away from you.

This is not the proper way to disagree with someone.

 

[Umm♥Layth]

I hate to break it to the race purists, but everyone who is alive today are descendants of THREE people. The three sons of Noah (pbuh). The races we know of today are actually a mixture in one way or another. Definitely not "pure". Maybe brush up on some history?

It took a lot of time (as we perceive it) and a lot of mixing to get where we are today.

 

[noraina]

I hate to break it to the race purists, but everyone who is alive today are descendants of THREE people. The three sons of Noah (pbuh). The races we know of today are actually a mixture in one way or another. Definitely not "pure". Maybe brush up on some history?

It took a lot of time (as we perceive it) and a lot of mixing to get where we are today.

And going way back, we are all descended from *one* person, the Prophet Adam :as:

There is no such thing as a 'pure' race, every single ethnicity or language or culture in existence today has happened because of an intermingling of societies and cultures and people. I am both Afghani and Kashmiri, and I'm always told I look Egyptian and yet my second language is Urdu and I speak with a British accent. And there's something nice in that.

There's nothing wrong with people who would 'like' to marry someone of the same race as them because they relate to their customs or culture or whatever, but if you regard your own race as superior to others then something is seriously wrong with your understanding of Islam. Allah swt has created us all equal, the only thing which makes one better than another in the sight of Allah swt is piety.

O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted.
49:13

 

[greenhill]

I live in a small town.
Our Muslim society is highly conservative. People , generally, don't allow their women to work

I understand, (being a muslim myself, ha ha). But I do not regard this as sexist perhaps because I realise the nature of upbringing children.. just as if there were to be be war... men will be the first to be enlisted, is that sexist?

...just a thought.


eace:

 

[Karl]

Insanity. I suggest Karl be banned. He is a racist antisemitic bigot. I hope you never have children or if you do, someone takes them away from you.

Typical rhetoric of a Zionist infiltrator. The way you talk is exactly how an arrogant self-righteous Zionist or Marxist talks. FYI, I DO actually have offspring, and you know another thing? They are none of YOUR or any other outsider's BUSINESS, PERIOD. Any trespasser that tries to "take my offspring off me" (also known as a invading thieving scoundrel) with be doubt with by me in a most ruthless way that I shall not go into detail with here.

 

[Karl]

I dont understand this mindset also. This is not a place to ban people. This is an internet forum which we can benefit from people whose opinions are different than ours even. Instead of calling him to be banned, you can tell him why he is wrong.

Anatolian, I totally agree and I applaud your defence of free speech. As long as one does not talk in expletives or does not make death threats and things like that then they should be free to express their stance. If they happen to say something that is actually erroneous then the proper and mature thing to do is to counter it with reason/corrections rather than the infantile approach of just calling for posts to be deleted and/or posters being banned. It is actually a VERY typical behaviour or leftists in particular to ban anything they don't like seeing.

 

[Karl]

I hate to break it to the race purists, but everyone who is alive today are descendants of THREE people. The three sons of Noah (pbuh). The races we know of today are actually a mixture in one way or another. Definitely not "pure". Maybe brush up on some history?

It took a lot of time (as we perceive it) and a lot of mixing to get where we are today.

That just doesn't add up scientifically. You see, if all races today originated from a "single breeding pair" then a) we would all more or less look physically the same, like members of a single race, but we don't. We actually differ HUGELY....TOO hugely. And b) if you try to make an entire species/race from a single breeding pair, the gene pool would be WAY to small and it wouldn't be long at all before genetic defects would arise as it has the exactly same affect as incest. I have empirical evidence for this as I breed tropical fish and discovered a long time ago that the offspring of these pairs once they started breeding again with themselves started showing physical defects (such as stunting, spinal deformities, increased proneness to disease etc). This was because the original genetic variety was simply not ample enough to begin with in the single breeding pair, and so increasingly lost more and more integrity in subsequent generations. You need SEVERAL breeding pairs to make a race healthy and genetically robust, not one.

 

[Karl]

And going way back, we are all descended from *one* person, the Prophet Adam :as:

There is no such thing as a 'pure' race, every single ethnicity or language or culture in existence today has happened because of an intermingling of societies and cultures and people. I am both Afghani and Kashmiri, and I'm always told I look Egyptian and yet my second language is Urdu and I speak with a British accent. And there's something nice in that.

Everyone? You failed to acknowledge MY race though. We have since the beginning utterly refused to miscegenate, so we ARE a pure race. And just because languages and cultures and spices and cuisines are often seen across various different races because of intermingling and trade, an automatic inference should NOT be drawn that there must therefore be miscegenation also a result of all that. FYI, whether you like it or not, some races (including my own) are averse to miscegenation.

As for Asians with British or American accents, to be honest me and many other Westerners find encountering that to be quite distasteful, because it suggests such an assimilated (or even sycophantic) Asian. There is almost nothing that grinds my gears more than seeing some Asian reporter on TV, so much makeup on her face that she looks more like a plastic manikin, dressing like Hilary Clinton, and with that horrible nasally American accent. It's so "banana"/"coconut" (yellow/brown on the outside and white on the inside). +o( I actually think it's quite a nice thing though whenever I see an Asian speaking with an exotic accent and dressing in the clothing style of their country of origin. Asians just don't look right dressing in Western clothing, just as Westerners look stupid dressing in Asian clothing, especially when big Anglo-Saxon ladies dress up like some little Singapore Girl.:lol:

 

[Zafran]

That just doesn't add up scientifically. You see, if all races today originated from a "single breeding pair" then a) we would all more or less look physically the same, like members of a single race, but we don't. We actually differ HUGELY....TOO hugely. And b) if you try to make an entire species/race from a single breeding pair, the gene pool would be WAY to small and it wouldn't be long at all before genetic defects would arise as it has the exactly same affect as incest. I have empirical evidence for this as I breed tropical fish and discovered a long time ago that the offspring of these pairs once they started breeding again with themselves started showing physical defects (such as stunting, spinal deformities, increased proneness to disease etc). This was because the original genetic variety was simply not ample enough to begin with in the single breeding pair, and so increasingly lost more and more integrity in subsequent generations. You need SEVERAL breeding pairs to make a race healthy and genetically robust, not one.

Your wrong here as your experiment doesn't take inconsideration the 1000s of years humans marrying from different races and ethnicity - see the Romans, The Mughuls, The Byzantines, Ottomans, abbasids etc etc. Its also good to note that these civilizations didn't see race, ethnicity or religion as a main issue or a block for marriage.

Your from Germany and your racial thinking is specific to Europe - dating back to the 1700s and racial categories....which ultimately led to the second world war atrocities. Explains your deep hatred fr Jews and "lefties". Other civs developed hierarchies as well like the caste system in the sub continent which had more to do with what class and occupation people were born in rather then "race".

Both systems are unjust.

 

[Zafran]

Everyone? You failed to acknowledge MY race though. We have since the beginning utterly refused to miscegenate, so we ARE a pure race.

Your not pure because if you did a genealogy trace you'll have DNA from all over the planet. You had to go through Romans, the many tribes after in medieval period - to the holy roman empire - the first and second war (invasion and occupation of soviet Russia and western powers.) - Lets not forget the mass rapes by soviets or the early humans in Africa.

 

[Serinity]

Honestly, this body of ours, is like a container for our souls. Make dua to Allah for A) a righteous spouse, B) righteous children.

Allah :swt: created us all different not for us to divide ourselves.

Allahu alam.

 

[Karl]

Your not pure because if you did a genealogy trace you'll have DNA from all over the planet. You had to go through Romans, the many tribes after in medieval period - to the holy roman empire - the first and second war (invasion and occupation of soviet Russia and western powers.) - Lets not forget the mass rapes by soviets or the early humans in Africa.

It is true that many non Germanic races have had a history of not having any racial pride and caring much for race purity. HOWEVER, Vikings and other Germanic races were fierce warriors and race purists who had for thousands of years had retained an equally fierce aversion to miscegenation. And it is no wonder that Publius Cornelius Tacitus had in 98 AD mentioned in his book On the Origin and Situation of the Germanic Peoples that "... unlike many other races in Southern Europe, the Germanic peoples appear to be a distinct nation, not an admixture of their neighbours...they all have common physical characteristics, blue eyes and large bodies...."

There is no evidence that Germanics ever originated from Africa. And the Roman Empire and subsequent events over the last 2000 years or so hasn't changed the fact that there still remains a significant portion of the Germanic populations who remain untainted by miscegenation.

You simply have no evidence that I am "not pure", whereas I do have plenty of evidence that I am no mongrel, because other than my DNA test which revealed to be 100% Germanic, it is also a knowledge handed down thousands of years through my family that we are completely free of miscegenation (well, at least completely free of miscegenation with NON Germanics anyway). Yes, there may be some common DNA I have with disparate races, but I also have some common DNA with practically every living organism on the planet for that matter. I already said earlier that I am of at least 50% the same DNA as a banana and 98.8% DNA same as chimp. So what?

 

[noraina]

You know, this is literally all skin deep. At the end of the day, we are all made from clay and remembering that should fill one with humility.

 

[noraina]

As for Asians with British or American accents, to be honest me and many other Westerners find encountering that to be quite distasteful, because it suggests such an assimilated (or even sycophantic) Asian.

With all due respects, I don't agree with this at all.

I'm not sure what is so distasteful about speaking with the accent of the country your born in? I would love to have an Irish accent, lol, but as I am born in the West Midlands I talk in that way instead, it's not something one has a choice in, and it's definitely not being sycophantic.

btw, it irritates me as much as anyone else if I see someone rejecting their own culture for another out of shame or embarrassment. We should all be proud of our roots and cultures but not in a way which gives us the impression we are superior to others. I wear the jilbaab on, because it is just so practical and comfortable for me, and so many people accused me of adopting Arab culture as I have some complex about my own...and funnily enough it is those people who'll complain if you do something too 'Kashmiri' or 'Pakistani'. Neither should we have an inferiority complex about ourselves, and nor a superiority complex.

 

[sister herb]

You know, this is literally all skin deep. At the end of the day, we are all made from clay and remembering that should fill one with humility.

That´s true. That´s why it sounds quite odd if someone thinks that here is some value to have some sort of genes. People have refined some animals to have different kind of features to them but doing same for humans sounds weird (blond hair, blue eyes, white skin etc.).