Is the Qur'an from God?

[aamirsaab]

I got bored of revising and decided to post

Here’s the verse again:

It is not for Sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit. [Quran 36: 40]

I realise that this does not explicitly state “The sun orbits the Earth” but it states the sun and the moon each float in their own orbit. If not the earth, orbit of what I ask?

You are over complicating the statement; it is written in laymans term.

Well I could add some more but I might be accused of being a small-time copy-paster. Well at that risk, here’s another contradiction:

How many days did creation take?

Sura 7:54, 10:3, 11:7, and 25:59 all clearly state that God created "the heavens and the earth" in six days.

BUT…

Sura 41:9-12, the detailed description of the creation procedure, add up to eight days.

Firstly, the later description equated to 6 days not 8, since from my recollection of reading that ayat, 1 week ago, it stated that the two ''extra'' days are actually referring to days 5 and 6. Secondly, day in this particular sense is in reference to God's time, which roughly translates to around 50,000 years or so.

Ah so it’s a colloquialism. Why would the word of God be written in such an informal way?

This point is meaningless. However, if you want to get pedantic; the Quran was written, in it's original form, by the Prophet [saw] and dictated via the angel Gibrael and God.

In fact incidentally, why would the word of God (presumably meant for everyone) be written in one language anyway?

Because this is the language that the last Prophet [saw] spoke in. There was only one Quran sent down to Earth and it was sent to the people of arabia, thus it would make sense if it is in ARABIC? Translations of the Quran, with interpretations, are numerous. I advise you strongly to purchase one as opposed to nit-picking ayats from the internet.

 

[Draco]

Here’s the verse again:

It is not for Sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit. [Quran 36: 40]

I realise that this does not explicitly state “The sun orbits the Earth” but it states the sun and the moon each float in their own orbit. If not the earth, orbit of what I ask?

You are over complicating the statement; it is written in laymans term.

Well it’s not correct even in laymans terms is it? What am I overcomplicating?

Firstly, the later description equated to 6 days not 8, since from my recollection of reading that ayat, 1 week ago, it stated that the two ''extra'' days are actually referring to days 5 and 6. Secondly, day in this particular sense is in reference to God's time, which roughly translates to around 50,000 years or so.

That brings up another discrepancy: Is Allah's day equal to 1,000 human years (Sura 22:47, 32:5) or 50,000 human years (Sura 70:4)?

Ah so it’s a colloquialism. Why would the word of God be written in such an informal way?

This point is meaningless. However, if you want to get pedantic; the Quran was written, in it's original form, by the Prophet [saw] and dictated via the angel Gibrael and God.

It’s not meaningless; you’ve just missed the point. My point was that given that this is the “Word of God” you might think that the language would be clear and unambiguous and not written using the vernacular of a particular era. I’m alluding to the fact that you would expect colloquialisms to be used in a book that had been written by a person (or group of people) in a particular place and era.

Because this is the language that the last Prophet [saw] spoke in. There was only one Quran sent down to Earth and it was sent to the people of arabia, thus it would make sense if it is in ARABIC? Translations of the Quran, with interpretations, are numerous. I advise you strongly to purchase one as opposed to nit-picking ayats from the internet.

See my previous post but I’ll make the point again. Why was it sent only to the people of Arabia and not some other country or group of people? Why was it sent to only one man and not a group of people all at the same time so that it's content could be verified? Why not send it to all parts of the globe and in multiple languages? Why not send the message repeatedly over the course of time so to avoid it getting mutated. Come to think of it, if we’re talking about the entity that supposedly created EVERYTHING, why not just create us humans with the teachings already embedded in our brains?

You seem all to eager to accept as fact certain pieces of information without asking “WHY?” or “IS THAT LIKELY?”. Do these questions ever occur to the Muslims in this forum or are they just too inconvenient to think about?

 

[NYCmuslim]

The point is that look at the lengths you must go to in order to explain… let’s say dubious… versus of the Quran. The sun heading to a black hole, the need for some generously lenient interpretation and clever arithmetic… etc. Come on everyone! This is supposed to be the word of God! Creator of all the heavens and the earth in 6 (or is it 8) days! I would have thought such an almighty being could have at least written a book that was clear, concise and completely unambiguous. Perhaps even sent it down in multiple languages to avoid translation confusion. I mean some of the verses seem more like they were written by someone with an understanding of science, the earth and the universe equivalent to that of a man living in 600 CE. Wouldn’t you agree?!

Just because the Quran isn't clear to you due to your own misinterpretations and lack-of-context perceptions doesn't mean that it difficult to understand. Maybe if you actually read the WHOLE thing you would get a better picture. Their are plenty of scholars and Islamic intellectuals who understand the arabic of the Quran and can give you the proper meanings of any verse.

Also, I should point out that the Quran is not a science book. Its not going to explain in scientific detail the phenomena of the universe. Allah mentions these great signs in the universe to show his All Mightiness and to show His creation that he is indeed the Master of all things. Like someone said before, the Quran was revealed in arabic because the prophet (PBUH) himself spoke arabic as well as the people of arabia. Also, the pagan arabs were heavily involved with writing and reciting poetry so Allah (swt) revealed His verses in a way that would appeal to their literary senses, which explains the beautiful style of the text in the Quran.

You will not find a single contradiction in the Quran. Maybe after Ramadan a thread should be created where we all talk about these supposed "contradictions" and refute them one by one.

Peace be unto you all.

 

[BlackMamba]

The verses might be dubious for someone like you whose sole purpose in reading the Holy Quran is to find supposed errors. If you look at anything just for errors, your brain will make you find errors in things when there really isnt any. this is what is happening to you. Why dont u just read the Quran for understanding, are you scared? You're making the verses seem contradictory and because of this it is impossible to explain to you.
And multiple languages? What are you kidding me. I bet if you were to meet angel Gabriel or see prophet Isa heal the sick with a touch, or even see Prophet Musa split the Red Sea, you would STILL deny. I think I'm done trying to explain to you.

 

[NoName55]

Well it’s not correct even in laymans terms is it? What am I overcomplicating?



That brings up another discrepancy: Is Allah's day equal to 1,000 human years (Sura 22:47, 32:5) or 50,000 human years (Sura 70:4)?



It’s not meaningless; you’ve just missed the point. My point was that given that this is the “Word of God” you might think that the language would be clear and unambiguous and not written using the vernacular of a particular era. I’m alluding to the fact that you would expect colloquialisms to be used in a book that had been written by a person (or group of people) in a particular place and era.



See my previous post but I’ll make the point again. Why was it sent only to the people of Arabia and not some other country or group of people? Why was it sent to only one man and not a group of people all at the same time so that it's content could be verified? Why not send it to all parts of the globe and in multiple languages? Why not send the message repeatedly over the course of time so to avoid it getting mutated. Come to think of it, if we’re talking about the entity that supposedly created EVERYTHING, why not just create us humans with the teachings already embedded in our brains?

You seem all to eager to accept as fact certain pieces of information without asking “WHY?” or “IS THAT LIKELY?”. Do these questions ever occur to the Muslims in this forum or are they just too inconvenient to think about?

day equal to 1,000 human years

when a kafir is sentenced to hellfire, each of those days of punishment will equal 1,000 human years,

only a person who depends on copy paste knowledge knows not what is before and after 22:47



:X:scared:

 

[aligzander]

How do we know that the Qur'an is God's word and not the Devil's?

Say: "If the whole of mankind and Jinns were to gather together to produce the like of this Qur’an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they backed up each other with help and support.
SURAH AL-ISRA 88


We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption).
SURAH AL-HIJR 9

 

[-Asadullah-]

In the Name of Allah.

My first post :statisfie

Muslims are assured for several reasons that the Qur’an is indeed the Word of God. Here are some of the reasons.

1. Physical incapacity. The prophet was physically incapable to write the Qur’an. History has him as an unlettered man who could not write anything more than his own name. How could he write a book?

2. Sincerity. The prophet was morally constrained to tell the truth about the origin of the Qur’an. He was noted to be so honest and trustworthy that even his enemies called him al-Amin (the trustworthy). Moreover, he suffered persecution, refused offers to compromise, and maintained his message for a period of twenty-three years. Historians of religion have to conclude that he was sincere.

3. Psychology. The Qur’an speaks to the prophet, commands him, and even criticizes him. Such contents do not point to the prophet as the self-conscious author. On the other hand, the author declares himself to be the creator of the heavens and the earth.

4. History. The prophet was incapable of writing the Qur’an. The Qur’an details items of history which were not known to the prophet or his contemporaries. And independent studies confirm that the Qur’an was true in what it said.

5. Prophecy. The Qur’an speaks prophetically, detailing what the future holds. Then the future unfolds exactly as foretold. Who could author such a book?

6. Science. The Qur’an draws attention to a wide range of physical phenomena in order to teach moral lessons. The statements were not meant to teach science. Yet modern scientists are amazed at the accuracy of these statements. For example, the Qur’an said things about the growth and development of the human embryo which could not be studied without the use of a microscope. Dr. Keith Moore was professor and chairman of the Department of Anatomy at the University of Toronto. After reviewing the Qur’anic statements he said: ""I am amazed at the accuracy of these statements which were already made in the 7th century AD."" Such knowledge in the Qur’an points to God as its source.

7. Consistency. The Qur’an challenges skeptics to find errors in it, which, if found, would disprove its divine claim. But no one has yet been able to point to a real error in it.

8. Inimitability. A unique feature of the Qur’an is that no one is able to produce a book that would match its beauty, eloquence and wisdom. The Qur’an itself challenges humankind to produce even a chapter like it. But no one has been able to do it.

These eight reasons together form a strong cumulative case in favor of the Qur’an’s divine origin. Hence Muslims can be confident that the belief of Islam, which is based on the Qur’an, is true.

Source: http://islam-source.blogspot.com/2007/10/special-quran-is-word-of-god.html

 

[Pygoscelis]

This an awfully odd question to be asking in a comparative religion section.

Only muslims and muslim affiliated religions could and do believe that the Quran is from God.

Non believers are non believers. We see it on par with the bible and "how the eagle got its wings". That is to say, folklore.

That should be obvious and if anybody isn't ready to hear that answer the question should not be asked here, but in a more unified all muslim area of this board.

 

[-Asadullah-]

In the Name of Allah

Pygo, I feel the need for this thread is to observe the points raised by individuals of other religions as to why they believe Quran is not from God. Answers like 'I dont believe in quran cause I'm christian' would not be entertained. Key is for someone to raise a relatively good point as to why they believe Quran is not of God, and the Muslims here will attempt to debunk/refute their statements. Simple. :happy:

 

[Abu Zakariya]

I only read the first post and haven't read the replies so somebody maybe beat me to saying this, but here it goes:

I feel that there is a fundamental problem to the reason why you came to be convinced that the Qur'an is the word of God. You seem to have focused on the scientific and mathematical miracles. If you do that, then the argument about Satan having used this can perhaps make some sense. But if your primary and preponderant reason for believing in the Qur'an is its message of pure and strict monotheism, then it becomes evident that it isn't from Satan.

You say that you have read about the Qur'an. Well, try reading the Qur'an. Read about God's Names and Attributes, read about the pure monotheism in the sense that nothing can be loved as God, nothing can be feared as God and we can't put our hope in anything like we put our hope in God. And of course, we may not turn to anything or anyone but God when supplicating (asking for something in a supernatural sense), praying, etc.

I am myself a non-Arab (but a Muslim all my life) and I know how hard it can be to appreciate the meaning of the Qur'an without knowing the language. I'm just starting to learn and the more I do the more I am in awe of the Qur'an, and especially when it comes to the description of God's Names and Attributes. The Prophet (sall Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam) said that the greatest verse in the Qur'an is 2:255 which deals only with the Names and Attributes of God. And he described chapter 112 which consists of only four verses as a third of the Qur'an, and this chapter deals only with the Names and Attributes of God. My point is that when you focus on these aspects of the Qur'an, then you will know that it is from God and Satan had nothing to do with it.

My recommendation is to take a look at these videos where the Qur'an is being recited during prayer in Makkah, with English subtitles with the meaning:

http://www.aswatalislam.net/Display...95&TitleName=Taraweeh_Videos_from_Makkah_2005

The "scientific" verses in the Qur'an, if you actually look at them closely they are about God's Majesty, His role as a Lord, Owner, Master, Sustainer, Ruler etc. of the creation. They show you that why should you turn to anyone but God when He is the one that created everything and controls everything. Go directly to God, and love Him and worship Him. That is the message.

 

[NoName55]

This an awfully odd question to be asking in a comparative religion section.

Only muslims and muslim affiliated religions could and do believe that the Quran is from God.

Non believers are non believers. We see it on par with the bible and "how the eagle got its wings". That is to say, folklore.

That should be obvious and if anybody isn't ready to hear that answer the question should not be asked here, but in a more unified all muslim area of this board.

It was in an All Muslim forum until it was invaded by legions of atheist and Christians repeatedly, they did not stop butting in until it was moved here!

 

[Whatsthepoint]

I feel that there is a fundamental problem to the reason why you came to be convinced that the Qur'an is the word of God. You seem to have focused on the scientific and mathematical miracles. If you do that, then the argument about Satan having used this can perhaps make some sense. But if your primary and preponderant reason for believing in the Qur'an is its message of pure and strict monotheism, then it becomes evident that it isn't from Satan.

As the thread author suggested, pure and strict monotheism may be an inaccurate description of God, which leads to an option of Quran being satanically inspired or man-made.

 

[true believer]

its ok to question some things about islam
i think. so u can go and seek knowlege and find out more. i strongly believe that allah did send the quran to be revealed to muhammed [SAW]. I think that islam is also about believing in the unseen and putting ur trust in allah. brother, ma advice is to find out more for urself and increase ur iman for urself.

 

[jouju]

Allah says
.........innamal masiyhu issabnu maryama rasuulullahi....(4:171)
also open 5:75,43:63,64
also in suratul al zukhruuf aya 59
I believe ther r so many mo
Satan is tryin to instill doubts in u DONT EAVER IN YOUR FAITH!!
YA MUQLLIBAL QULUUB THABBIT QULUUBANA ALA DHIKRIK

 

[khairullah]

Answered By Dr.Zakir Naik


In reply to a similar allegation put forward by the pagans of Makkah, that the prophet (pbuh) received the revelations from Satan, the following verses were revealed:

Surah Waqiah, chapter 56 verses 77-80

"That this is indeed A Qur’an most honourable,

In a Book well-guarded,

Which none shall touch But those who are clean:

A Revelation from the Lord Of the Worlds."

Kitabim Maknoon means a book well guarded or a protected book, referring to Lauh-e-Mahfooz in the heaven, which none shall touch except the Mutahhareen. i.e. those who do not have any uncleanliness or impurity or evil like sin. This refers to the angels. The satan is absolutely prohobited.

Thus since it is impossible for satan to come anywhere close to it or touch it, the question of him writing the verses of the Glorious Qur’an does not arise.

It is further mentioned in Surah Shura, chapter 26 verse 210-212

"No evil ones have brought Down this (Revelation):

It would neither suit them Nor would they be able (To produce it).

Indeed they have been removed Far from even (a chance of)
Hearing it."

Many people have a wrong concept of satan. They think that satan can probably do everything, except a couple of things that God can do. According to them, satan is slightly below God in power. Since the people do not want to accept that the Qur’an is a miraculous revelation, they say that it is satan’s handiwork.


If satan would have written the Qur’an, he would not have mentioned in the same Qur’an in Surah Nahl, chapter 16 verse no. 98

"When thou does read
The Qur’an, seek Allah’s protection from Satan the Rejected One."

Is this how you feel satan would write a book? Does he tell you; "Before you read my book ask God to save you from me?"



There are several verses in the Qur’an which will give enough evidence that satan is not the author of the Qur’an.

In Surah Al Aaraf chapter 7 verse 200

"If a suggestion from Satan assail your (mind),
seek refuge with Allah; for He hears and knows
(all things).

Why would satan tell his followers, that whenever he gives any suggestions to them, they should seek refuge in Allah (swt) to whom he is an avowed enemy.



In Surah Baqarah, chapter 2 verse 168

"O ye people!
Eat of what is on earth, lawful and good;
and do not follow the footsteps of the Evil one,
For he is to you an avowed enemy."



In Surah Yasin, chapter 36 verse 60

"Did I not enjoin on you,
O ye children of Adam,
that ye should not worship Satan;

for that he was to you an enemy avowed?"

Satan is intelligent, no wonder that he can put this idea into the minds of people that he himself wrote the Qur’an. Compared to Almighty God, Satan is insignificant, and Allah (swt) is far more intelligent. He knows satan’s evil intentions and hence no wonder that He has given the reader of the Qur’an several proofs to show that Qur’an is God’s word, and not satan’s word.

The Bible mentions in the Gospel of Mark, chapter 3, verses 24-26

"And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that
kingdom cannot stand."

"And if a house be divided against itself,
that house cannot stand."

"And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end."

Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) is prophesized in the Christianity
Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) is prophesized in the Judaism
Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) is prophesized in the Buddahism
Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) is prophesized in the Hinduism
Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) is prophesized in the Parsism

www.drzakirnaik.com

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Zakir+Naik-+Muhammad+In+Various+Religious+Scriptures

 

[khairullah]

I got one question from this Christian brother,

Even if Islam is the true religion will the Christians believe it?

Every prophet was rejected by his own people, even Jesus was rejected by his own people ( Jews), does this mean Jesus is not the prophet of Allah (SWT)?


'He (Jesus) CAME UNTO HIS OWN, BUT HIS OWN RECEIVED HIM NOT.' (John 1:11).

And even today, after two thousand years, his people- the Jews, as a whole, have rejected him.

"MY KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS WORLD': IF MY KINGDOM WERE OF THIS WORLD, THEN WOULD MY SERVANTS FIGHT, THAT I SHOULD NOT BE DELIVERED TO THE JEWS; BUT NOW IS MY KINGDOM NOT FROM HENCE" (John 18:36)

That's why you Chritians can not pass the test given by Jesus (PBUH), because he was sent for Jews only, not for everyone.

TEST FO FAITH:

It is mentioned in the Gospel of Mark, Ch. No.16, Verse No.17 and 18 - It says that…

‘There will be signs for true believers and among the signs –

In my name they shall cast out devils,

they shall speak foreign tongues, new tongues,

they shall take up serpents –

And if they drink deadly poison, they shall not be harmed –

And when they place their hand over the sick, they shall be cured.

Can you all Christians pass this test?

No.

Because you are not the followers of Jesus, because Jesus was sent for the children of Israel.

ETERNITY OF JESUS: Because the Bible was only meant for the children of Israel, for that time. It is mentioned in the Gospel of Mathew 10:5:6, Jesus Christ peace be upon him tells his disciples…

Go ye not in the way of the Gentiles.’ ‘But rather go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Who are the Gentiles? The Non-Jews, the Hindus, the Muslims

Jesus Christ peace be upon him said Mathew 15:24… ‘I am not sent, but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.’

That's why you Christians can not pass the test, since you are not Jews.

 

[Abu Zakariya]

As the thread author suggested, pure and strict monotheism may be an inaccurate description of God, which leads to an option of Quran being satanically inspired or man-made.

Well, I think that I can say with confidence that if someone isn't into the message of pure and strict monotheism (which also involves the nature and attributes of God, i.e. He is All-Perfect and in need of no one etc.) and could accept the notion that Satan could be behind such a message, then Islam isn't for such a person. In the end, though, it all comes down to God's guidance.

 

[Muhammad]

and Greetings,

I have moved this thread to Refutations because the Discover Islam area is not intended for discussion or debate. It is for basic basic articles explaining Islamic concepts to new Muslims or Non-Muslims.

 

[alexie]

Hi Believer
How do you know the Bible was corrupted by the persians and were able to erase all copies in and outside the Hebrew community. As for the "golden nuggets", is this not a contradiction as if the Bible is corrupted then how can any of it be "golden" as you say. How do you know which bits to beleiev and which to not?

 

[Zamtsa]

If you have believe there was a son of Allah or there will be, why can't he live forever?
Why can't he live forever to solve mankind's problem?

None of these things you could find but in Al Qur'an (Kalamullah) and As Sunnah (Al Hadits and Sirah Muhammad Shalallahu 'Alaihi wa Sallam) which is Al Hikmah.

What all prophets had promised to Allahu Ta'ala were to help this last prophet when he come and to follow him, not the command from Allahu Ta'ala to worship a born son of God who was eating food, urinating, defecating.
And Allahu Ta'ala never want to take anyone as His son, instead everything and everyone follow his rule and live in what He has created.

Allahu Ta'ala has many characteristics, names and action. He create us to worship him, in which to recognise His names, characteristics and action.

No religion could give explanation about Allahu Ta'ala as what had been said by Nuh, Ibrahim, Isma'il, Ishaq, Ya'qub, Muusa, 'Iisa, Muhammad and all 124,000 prophets who had live in this world.

Allahu Ta'ala will not like people to forever saying 'Allah has a son, Allah has a son, Allah has a son," because He created the sky like now, the mountain like now, and the land like now, and He preserve it as now, not so people could talk whatever they want about Himself, unless He had obligated thee to say that or it is your right to say that, as we are His slave, we are here to buy ourselves who are own by Allahu Ta'ala.

Syaithan could never sent down Al Qur'an or to make something similar to Al Qur'an, they were not worthy of it and they weren't able to, whether in the past, present or at the future.


Assalamu manit taba'al huda (May peace be unto who follow the guidance).