Is There Evidence of Allah's Existence?

[GuestFellow]

As can religion. Neither is perfect.

Yes but science has killed more people in a short period of time and is more dangerous. :

 

[observer]

Yes but science has killed more people and is more dangerous.

Haha, touché. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that point! After all, no one ever went to war to further the cause of atheism

 

[Pygoscelis]

Yes but science has killed more people in a short period of time and is more dangerous. :

This is one way that they work together. Science provides the means and religion provides the excuse.

 

[GuestFellow]

After all, no one ever went to war to further the cause of atheism

True but look at the extreme effects of atheism on North Korea. :

Scary!

 

[GuestFellow]

This is one way that they work together. Science provides the means and religion provides the excuse.

No that's called nationalism.

 

[observer]

True but look at the extreme effects of atheism on North Korea

They have a religious cult of the leader there - they have made gods of the ruling dynasty. When Kim Jong-Il died, "miracles" were seen. That's not atheism!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16297811

 

[GuestFellow]

They have a religious cult of the leader there - they have made gods of the ruling dynasty. When Kim Jong-Il died, "Miracles" were seen. That's not atheism!

But they don't believe in God? :/ It's a form of atheism. :

LOL that video is hilarious. Some of them are faking it.

 

[observer]

LOL that video is hilarious. Some of them are faking it.

I believe that not being sad enough was punishable by law. I would fake crying too in that situation!

 

[GuestFellow]

^ I would burst out laughing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jSP91XD2WE

^ Something like that happened to me during a sad moment.

 

[Ali Mujahidin]

LOL that video is hilarious. Some of them are faking it.

Do you mean faking the crying?

In that case, I think I have some idea why. I don't really know that much about the culture of the Koreans. However, I was told that the Korean culture is very similar to the Chinese culture. For the Chinese, to cry at a funeral is mandatory. Those who can afford it even pay for professional 'cryers', so to say, who would very realistically cry at funerals and the good 'cryers' can even lament the loss in songs, very sad-sounding songs, of course. So if the Koreans are similar to the Chinese with regards to funerals, faking crying at funerals is a very respectable, acceptable and expected thing to do.

 

[Gator]

gator i didnt sense sincerity in your reply so im wary regarding you

I am completely sincere in my post.

i will never understand how someone can ever think that something can come from nothing.

If nothing ever existed.

an uncreated creator is the only logical possibility.

This is where we part ways.

It is through the revelations that we have chosen to bring faith unto that lead to the rulings you snidely remarked upon which is a long story but not meant for those that cant even accept a creator.

I'm sorry, but I believe I was correct in the rulings unless I am mistaken. Nothing snide about being correct.

i think ill take leave here,

I think you should

its impossible for a person to open their eyes when the hearts are sealed.

I'm not the one spouting impossibilities.

the hearts can pnly open when wilfully submitted piously unto Allaah.

Or whatever happens to fit your creator equation.

end of transmission.

Thanks.

 

[Gator]

I feel the need to contribute something to this thread!

Love the nutty knitting!

PS - Did you google christopher Hedges?

 

[~Zaria~]

STORY -- ALLAH DOES EXIST

A man went to a barbershop to have his hair cut and his beard trimmed. As the barber began to work, they began to have a good conversation. They talked about so many things and various subjects.
When they eventually touched on the subject of God, the barber said:

“I don’t believe that God exists.”

“Why do you say that?” asked the customer.

“Well, you just have to go out in the street to realize that God doesn’t exist. Tell me, if God exists, would there be so many sick people? Would there be abandoned children? If God existed, there would be neither suffering nor pain. I can’t imagine a loving a God who would allow all of these things.”

The customer thought for a moment, but didn’t respond because he didn’t want to start an argument.

The barber finished his job and the customer left the shop.

Just after he left the barbershop, he saw a man in the street with long, stringy, dirty hair and an untrimmed beard. He looked dirty and unkempt.

The customer turned back and entered the barber shop again and he said to the barber:“You know what? Barbers do not exist.”

“How can you say that?” asked the surprised barber. “I am here, and I am a barber. And I just worked on you!”

“No!” the customer exclaimed. “Barbers don’t exist because if they did, there would be no people with dirty long hair and untrimmed beards, like that man outside.”

“Ah, but barbers DO exist! What happens is people do not come to me.”

“Exactly!”- affirmed the customer.

“That’s the point! God, too, DOES exist! What happens, is, people don’t go to Him and do not look for him.

 

[glo]

Love the nutty knitting!

Gator, there isn't a stitch of knitting on that dress. I can see that from here.
Gee, and I thought you were a guy who KNEW stuff!

PS - Did you google christopher Hedges?

I have. I am quite interested to read "The World as It Is". Have you read it?

And then there is "I don't believe in Atheists".

 

[Pygoscelis]

STORY -- ALLAH DOES EXIST

A man went to a barbershop to have his hair cut and his beard trimmed. As the barber began to work, they began to have a good conversation. They talked about so many things and various subjects.
When they eventually touched on the subject of God, the barber said:

“I don’t believe that God exists.”

“Why do you say that?” asked the customer.

“Well, you just have to go out in the street to realize that God doesn’t exist. Tell me, if God exists, would there be so many sick people? Would there be abandoned children? If God existed, there would be neither suffering nor pain. I can’t imagine a loving a God who would allow all of these things.”

The customer thought for a moment, but didn’t respond because he didn’t want to start an argument.

The barber finished his job and the customer left the shop.

Just after he left the barbershop, he saw a man in the street with long, stringy, dirty hair and an untrimmed beard. He looked dirty and unkempt.

The customer turned back and entered the barber shop again and he said to the barber:“You know what? Barbers do not exist.”

“How can you say that?” asked the surprised barber. “I am here, and I am a barber. And I just worked on you!”

“No!” the customer exclaimed. “Barbers don’t exist because if they did, there would be no people with dirty long hair and untrimmed beards, like that man outside.”

“Ah, but barbers DO exist! What happens is people do not come to me.”

“Exactly!”- affirmed the customer.

“That’s the point! God, too, DOES exist! What happens, is, people don’t go to Him and do not look for him.

So everybody who is suffering deserves it because they are not looking for God?

You really don't think that there are believers that suffer?

Are all these threads about Muslims being abused just a smokescreen then? Are these people really just pretend Muslims who don't actually go looking for God?

The big difference between your God and a barber is that your God is claimed to be all powerful and all knowing. So he knows about all the suffering, and can fix it all in an instant very easily. The barber dosen't know about all the unkempt, and doesn't have the time or resources to shave them all even if he did know about them all.

 

[جوري]

Suffering in the way you comically describe as a child unable to express himself but likes to throw tantrums just the same is created by mankind - your approach to life is funny, a strange sense of entitlement just for being as if all you've already isn't enough to pursue your own paradise or hell on this world impose it or deny it to others just the same!
Our suffering as Muslims is our trial and expiation a way for us to turn to God and punishment is to ensue for choosing life outside his grace. Those who've it best in this life truly aren't owed anything on the hereafter and most of them abuse it instead of balancing world economies they squander it on frivolity and yet desire for more and then blame it on God that there's suffering in the world!
We're provided for in this life and there's plenty to nourish all the senses.
All that's bad is from you all that's good is from God.
So enjoy your life would be my advise to you there's no point debating when each moment is precious and random! How unfortunate should you die with your last action some ill conceived remark about God try to go out with a bang in lieu of concrete philosophy as thought of by a school boy!

Best,

 

[Gator]

Ha! True, I was using the name of the site!

The World as it Is is very good.

As for I don't believe in Atheists, that's where he falls down of course.

 

[GuestFellow]

“That’s the point! God, too, DOES exist! What happens, is, people don’t go to Him and do not look for him.

I never would have thought you can bring a barber into this discussion.

Anyway I wouldn't say it is evidence of Allah's existence.

 

[~Zaria~]

So everybody who is suffering deserves it because they are not looking for God?

You really don't think that there are believers that suffer?

Are all these threads about Muslims being abused just a smokescreen then? Are these people really just pretend Muslims who don't actually go looking for God?

The big difference between your God and a barber is that your God is claimed to be all powerful and all knowing. So he knows about all the suffering, and can fix it all in an instant very easily. The barber dosen't know about all the unkempt, and doesn't have the time or resources to shave them all even if he did know about them all.

The parable used does not imply this at all.
(the reasons behind human suffering is another discussion in itself - which I trust that, from your time on this forum, you may already be aware of.)

Instead, the story is trying to provide an analogy to a common error in reasoning that is heard very often, to disprove Allahs existence.

 

[GuestFellow]

The parable used does not imply this at all.
(the reasons behind human suffering is another discussion in itself - which I trust that, from your time on this forum, you may already be aware of.)

Instead, the story is trying to provide an analogy to a common error in reasoning that is heard very often, to disprove Allahs existence.

Oh I get it now. Your post wasn't about trying to prove God's existence but more about addressing comments that are used to disprove God's existence. Nice analogy.