Is there gender equality in Islam?

[Pygoscelis]

Re: How come there no gender equality in Islam?

But in islam...that is her money (salary), she can do what she wants.

Which is what I am saying is blatantly sexist and down right ugly. The men are obliged to provide but the women are not, even where the women are in the better position financially. This is just plain immoral.

 

[syilla]

Re: How come there no gender equality in Islam?

Which is what I am saying is blatantly sexist and down right ugly. The men are obliged to provide but the women are not, even where the women are in the better position financially. This is just plain immoral.

i should create a poll and ask the guys whether it is blatantly sexist? :coolalien

What about pregnant? do you think it is sexist too?

 

[Pygoscelis]

Re: How come there no gender equality in Islam?

i should create a poll and ask the guys whether it is blatantly sexist? :coolalien

What about pregnant? do you think it is sexist too?

It IS sexist, by definition. That is not debatable. You are treating one gender differently than the other. That is sexism. The only question is whether it is justified or moral. I say it isn't. Muslims here seem to think it is.

Pregnancy is biology. Not relevant. And not something we have any power over. We don't choose women to get pregnant instead of men. They just do.

 

[Malaikah]

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It isn't sexism, it is called division of responsibilities.

 

[TABS19]

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I'm sorry to say I personally don't agree with mutliple wives (or husbands for that matter). One is more than enough...I'm sure men and women will both agree.

However, I am intrigued to know how many muslims men actually do provide for their wives. In my previous line of work I come across more Muslim single mother's. I have come to realise that some people abuse the rules of religion for their own self gain. In UK as you cannot legally marry more than 1 wife, the one's not recognised as lawful wives are claiming as single parents.

 

[Abdul Fattah]

Re: How come there no gender equality in Islam?

It IS sexist, by definition. That is not debatable. You are treating one gender differently than the other. That is sexism. The only question is whether it is justified or moral. I say it isn't. Muslims here seem to think it is.

Pregnancy is biology. Not relevant. And not something we have any power over. We don't choose women to get pregnant instead of men. They just do.

I think your defenition of sexism is off. Sexism is a form of discrimination. And discrimination is when you treat one as inferior to another. When two people are different in charesteristics, like one can get pregnant the other can't, then that is not discrimination. Discrimination is that you would see one of the two as inferior and/or treat them as such. But that also doesn't mean you have to treat all people 100% equal. Because there's a big difference between treating to people differently, and treating one person inferior to another. In fact if you treat two different people equally, that can be discrimination to.

Example: if a gym teacher grades a boy that walks with a limb by the same standards of the other boys in a marathon, his equal treatment can be considered a discrimination of his handicap.

I'm not saying one gender is handicap compared to the other. But each gender has its own characteristics that make it good at one thing and bad at another.
Eventually if you want to treat both as beings equal in worth a different approach on both of 'm is unavoidable.

 

[F.Y.]

Re: How come there no gender equality in Islam?

^True. The term I think you're trying to find is 'equity'.

Peace

 

[zaki.aumeerudy]

Re: How come there no gender equality in Islam?

Which is what I am saying is blatantly sexist and down right ugly. The men are obliged to provide but the women are not, even where the women are in the better position financially. This is just plain immoral.

The objectives of islaam is to make humanity serve god
Allah has the power to give you a better position if this is good for u or not
we do not care whether women has a better position.there is nothign to be ashamed of it . All working women do serve their husband because they follow a way of life to attain their final objective . The pleasur of god and Jannat
All wives do help their husband when in financial difficulty though they are not obliged to
tHE PROPHET SAYS That awoman is married for four reasons
one of them is her financial position (richness) .The law provide a protection from guys that want to marry woman just for their money .This is very common today . Is n`t that a good law ?

 

[*charisma*]

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Assalamu Alaikum and Greetings,

When it comes to men and women's physical attributes, whether it pertains to religion or society, men and women are not equal no matter how you want to go about it. Men are built differently and women are builty differently to hold different tasks through out their lifetime.

In Islam however, there's equity. Based on the woman's physical attributes she is assigned to roles that she can handle by being a woman and same with the man. If she wanted to work on something that is usually stereotyped as a "man's job" she may do so as long as it doens't conflict with her acting like a man or looking like one and as long as it's not a more sinful environment for her to do so and same with the a man; However, it is not obligatory for them to do so if they don't want to, its free-choiced.

In Islam, we aren't judged by what we can do and what we can't. Whether our duties to Allah are "equal" to the opposite gender or unequal. Our duties are to worship Allah fully and not make it difficult upon ourselves to do so. If you're going to constantly go, "Why aren't women allowed to marry 4 men" would that really help your faith?

A woman's sin is equal to a man's sin if its the same sin. A woman's deed is equal to a man's deed if its for the same thing. A woman has to pray 5 times a day and so does a man. Both have to give charity and do good. Our time on earth, in this world, is measured through deeds and sins, and not by our physical attributes, but rather how we use them.

Islam puts limits and guidelines on everything. If you're not Muslim, you have to suffer the label of society.

What does society think of a woman who has more than one partner?

Would a man even allow his wife have more than one partner other than him?

Men are more jealous and protective of their woman, no? Yup, even more
than women are. This isn't an opinion, its a fact.

I'm not saying there aren't women who may not get jealous, but generally they are more accepting.

Secondly, I think any woman would rather have her husband marry another wife rather than have him cheat on her. If a woman married another man or more than one man, she would make her life a million times more difficult than it would already be. She won't know who the father is right away. If she wanted to find out, she'd have to pay money out of her own pocket. The man could leave her and not support the child because he wont know who it's for, and she won't be able to sexually satisfy them "equally" if she has her periods and pregnancies and all that. Eventually she'll become useless and the men would want another wife. Aha!

But there are many other scenarios we could imagine. Rather than living in what if, lets shut up and live with what is. People used to live in "what if" and it was a life chaos. Those that do live by "what ifs" are deviant and are probably in jail or something.

fi aman Allah
w'salaam

 

[duskiness]

Re: How come there no gender equality in Islam?

And discrimination is when you treat one as inferior to another.

discrimination is when you treat people in the same situation differently or in different situation in the same manner.
It seems to me that there is too much deal about "sex characteristic". I would agree that there is something like this, but -for me- it is overemphasized in this discussion. There are really few things women can do as good as men and men as good as women.
And when we speak about "women" -we speak 50% of people in the world!!! They all can be the same...

ps: Gent - nice city

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

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They can be the same, but in character and deeds. You cant be the same in everything. Men and women can be "fair" but not equal.

 

[zaki.aumeerudy]

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who says woman in islam can't have a better job and wants to work?

But in islam...that is her money (salary), she can do what she wants. She can choose not to provide. But if you are a wife, won't you help your husband?

The problem is here, Islam would not tolerate a husband is LAZY and doesn't wants to work and wants to stay home. Can you imagine what will happen to our economy if most of the guys opt to stay at home and not wanting to work.

u right
that is happening actually in my country ,we have no place for man ,woman are getting most of the higher job whether engineering ,administration,sales,etc ,they have such a smart smile that they rapidly become the mistress of our bosses ,the increase in criminality ,theft is very high now becose most of the guys stay at home ,they dont have such a smile a and small mini-jupe where u everything of her private parts could be seen

 

[Abdul Fattah]

Re: How come there no gender equality in Islam?

discrimination is when you treat people in the same situation differently or in different situation in the same manner.
It seems to me that there is too much deal about "sex characteristic". I would agree that there is something like this, but -for me- it is overemphasized in this discussion. There are really few things women can do as good as men and men as good as women.
And when we speak about "women" -we speak 50% of people in the world!!! They all can be the same...

Well, in a way you're saying the same thing as I am saying. You say:
discrimination is when you treat people in the same situation differently or in different situation in the same manner.
But when you have two persons with different characteristics who are in the same circumstances as the same "situation", or do these characteristics amount to the situation?

Simple example:
If a guy hits a woman, is that the same situation as a woman hitting a guy.
(think of a strong guy and a weak woman, I know it's a stereotype, but for the sake of argument)
This clearly shows that dealing with both cases equally is unfair.

As for sex-characteristics as you call it, they are not as rare as you claim. Of course woman and men will be able to do most things that the other can. But that doesn't mean one gender is better at a certain thing.

There are so many difference that we have only begin to understand. Take the eye for example. Scientist have recently discovered that men and woman have different eyes. Woman's eyes generate a more broader and 2 dimensional view, whereas men's eyes have a more focused 2 dimensional view. This makes it easier for woman to have an eye for details and enables them to multi task easier, whereas men in general are better 3 dimensional thinking. And the changes don't stop there.

ps: Gent - nice city

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[Snowflake]

Re: How come there no gender equality in Islam?

Originally Posted by Pygoscelis
How repugnantly sexist. If the wife is more educated and has more opportunity for a better job and wants to work, there is no shame in the husband being a house husband and staying home to raise the kids and mind the house (like a traditional wife would do).

Imagine a woman doctor who earns a small fortune marries a male factory worker who earns minimum wage. It is fair to you that the man be required to provide for the woman and any offspring and the woman horde her entire fortune for herself?

Islam has given the man the responsibility of providing for his family, but that does not mean the woman is prohibited from helping out if she has to or wants to. Neither is she told to hoarde her wealth while her family may need it. Countless muslims couples now work to provide for their family. But the woman is given sole rights to her earnings to protect her from having her income snatched from her and allow her the right to stay at home to look after the kids.

Wisdom is the key in islamic laws. Imagine a woman had to provide for her family? Imagine the burden she'd feel juggling housework and job? I'm an avid reader of women's magazines - and I can tell you how many western women complain that they come back from work and have to cook, clean and launder while their partner sits on his backside doing nothing all day. Luckily for those who follow islam, such violation of rights doesn't occur, because their priorities are appropiately placed.


My father was an ill man and my mother decided she wanted to work. My father felt extremely guilty but it was my mothers wish so he relented. We could've lived on benefits but we didn't. My father cooked and did the shopping while my mom worked. It worked out fine. But given a choice I wish my mom had been at home when we came back from school. Ask any kid and they'll say the same thing. So although, men have the responsibility of providing maintenance, Islam doesn't say the opposite is prohibited. With mutual consent the roles can be reversed or applied to both.

 

[Malaikah]

Re: How come there no gender equality in Islam?

and I can tell you how many western women complain that they come back from work and have to cook, clean and laundry while their partner sits on his backside doing nothing all day.

No way!:rant: How low of them.

It is something rather universal, that women look for men who are going to provide for them and their children. It isn't exclusively a 'Muslim' thing.

 

[Snowflake]

Re: How come there no gender equality in Islam?

It sure is. Even cavewomen stayed at home while men went hunting. I'd imagine a man would've got clubbed if he'd told the woman to go and kill a buffalo, while he warmed his extremeties by the fire.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Re: How come there no gender equality in Islam?

But the woman is given sole rights to her earnings

Yet the man is not. This is blatantly sexist and completely unfair to the men. I find it disgusting.

Imagine the burden she'd feel juggling housework and job?

Islam forbids men to do housework?

 

[Woodrow]

Re: How come there no gender equality in Islam?

Yet the man is not. This is blatantly sexist and completely unfair to the men. I find it disgusting.



Islam forbids men to do housework?

Yet the man is not. This is blatantly sexist and completely unfair to the men. I find it disgusting.

Odd you would say that. Most people believe that woman are oppressed in Islam and have no rights.

This is part of the recognition of the basic differences between male and female. There are areas that men and women are treated differently, but the total overall arrangement assures that fairness is the result. You can not look at one aspect and say this is unfair as for each area a woman is subject to a man there will be an area under which a man is subject to a woman. the end result is fairness and each is given in accordance to need and ability and each is given responsibility in accordance to strengths. the end result is a marriage becomes a true partnership with recognition that there is delegation of authority. Neither male nor female is superior to the other and the marriage bond is stronger than the sum of the parts of the marriage.

Islam forbids men to do housework?

Men are not forbidden to do housework. But the house is seen to be under the authority of the woman. Overall it is her responsibility and along with the responsibility she has rights and privileges as to how the household is run. A man will help with housework to the extent the help is needed.

 

[Snowflake]

Re: How come there no gender equality in Islam?

Yet the man is not. This is blatantly sexist and completely unfair to the men. I find it disgusting.

Suppose a woman did not have rights to her earnings and property and her husband left her with small kids, fell ill, divorced her or died. Don't you think her assets will help her when there's no income coming in? Not only that it prevents a man marrying a woman for her money.



You say 'unfair' as if the man has no rights at all. Don't forget the man has authority over the woman. If he provides financially she in return looks after his wealth, not spend it meaninglessly, raises his children as good muslims, cooks cleans for him and makes his home and the family atmosphere heaven to live in. She is not to make unnecessary demands that aren't within his means. If she doing that, then how is it sexist if he spends on his family, which he created by his own choice? Both are pulling their weight in different ways and you call it unfair that he should do that for HIS family? Bear in mind, he only has to provide what is necessary. The rest he can do whatever he wants with it.

Islam forbids men to do housework?

No it gives them equal opportunities


btw, I bet women in old england would've welcomed islamic laws -when men used to marry them for their property and become owners of it too. :thumbs_do

 

[NoName55]

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Sometimes I wonder (and despair) if people know the difference between debate and argument, between a genuine query and mischief making.


There are mischief makers who will never read your complete reply but a sentence or 2 to further nitpick and bait you into further argument thus wasting your time and keeping you from da’awah and/or other useful work you could be doing.


For G-d sake, move on once it becomes apparent.
Try and think of yourselves as a door to door salesman, if he used your way of selling, would soon starve to death. He is *not* intersted in one sale if it takes a life time but the overall number of sales that he makes.


P.S.
A da'ai should never engage in disscussion with a kafir or a mischief maker or follower of another faith, if no mutual respect and/or common ground can be found first.
When you people want to go upstairs do you start with the first step at ground floor or start from the last step at top of ladder/staircase?