Is there gender equality in Islam?

[Muslim Woman]

Re: How come there no gender equality in Islam?




I seek refuge in Allah (The One God) from the Satan (devil) the cursed, the rejected

With the name of ALLAH (swt) -The Bestower Of Unlimited Mercy, The Continously Merciful


Assalamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh (May the peace, mercy and blessings of Allah be upon you)

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A da'ai should never engage in disscussion with a kafir or a mischief maker or follower of another faith, if no mutual respect and/or common ground can be found first.

----how can we invite Atheists then ?

 

[KAding]

Re: How come there no gender equality in Islam?

I always found the idea that one male witness is equal to two women witnesses one of the most flagrant breaches of this supposed equality within Islam. This whole division of labor thing I can follow, since it is an undeniable fact that women get pregnant. But the female testimony in sharia court is something I cannot understand.

It seems to imply that women are less reliable witnesses, that they are more stupid and less reasonable. This is simply not something I can accept, being a male feminist and all that.

 

[NoName55]

Re: How come there no gender equality in Islam?

Assalamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh




----how can we invite Atheists then ?

Wa Alaikum Salaam wa Rahmat Allah wa Barakat
Mutual respect is the key, And the example you set by living Islaam in such way that people want to be you, not living and behaving in such a way that they are repulsed by mere mention of the word "Islaam" that they'll want to erase it from the face planet like its being done in Gujraat, Kasmir and many Soviet states


The Eemaan of Allaah's servant will not be upright until his heart is upright and his heart will not be upright until his tongue is upright.
How will we fare on the Day when tongues are torn apart and faces ripped open? So how can we dare to let our tongues roam so freely? Rather than listening to such evil talk, let us use our tongues to secure great reward, by opposing all forms of backbiting, and with beautiful manners, correcting it. These situations are oppurtunities from Allaah to perform Jihaad, for indeed trying to keep our tongues is truly a Jihaad, (Jihaad al-Nafs).

The Prophet has warned us
When I was taken up into heaven, I passed by people who had copper claws tearing at their faces and chests. I asked, 'Who are these O Jibreel?' He replied: 'They those who ate the flesh of people and insulted their honor.
[Ahmad, Abu Dawood]

Not a word is said except there is a watcher by him ready to record it
[Surah Qaf 18]

So believer! Don't you want be the best in your practice of Islaam? Don't you want be those who enter Jannah and live in delight and ecstasy forever? Then look at your tongue and hands!

And spy not, neither backbite one another. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? You would hate it (so hate backbiting)...
[Al-Hujaraat 49:12]


[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Answer to "How do I give 'dawah'?" ........ Read
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[/FONT] Dawah Estes style

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]First let us begin with [/FONT][FONT=Verdana,]Basics Of Islam [click].[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Here are some important points to keep in mind:[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] 1. As Muslims we cannot lie about anything, especially about our religion.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]2. Islam has the proof for everything that it teaches. Our sources are authentic and original. They are:[/FONT]

• [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] The Quran [/FONT][FONT=Verdana,][click][/FONT]
• [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Teachings of Muhammad [/FONT][FONT=Verdana,][click][/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This is a unique part of Islam, not available in any other ancient religions.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Also, keep in mind while talking with people and answering their questions, sometimes "questions" contain misinformation. We must qualify what it is that someone is saying against what they mean.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Take special care in offer your answers. Keep your replies simple and to the point. Do not wander from subject to subject while answering a question.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Another important point is to remember that patience is an important part of the character of the Muslim and that you must not become angry or outraged at what people say to you or by the quesitons that they are asking. If you feel that it is too much for you to deal with, then simply walk away.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Also, don't try to be funny or sarcastic. This is distracting and not appropriate. Very often while giving the answer, we hear the person we are talking to saying something like, "I didn't know that." Or they might say, "This is actually something good." When this occurs we ask them, "Are you ready to rethink your position? Are you prepared to worship your God and your Lord without and partners?"[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]After all, isn't this what Islam is really all about? The most important subject is the worship of Almighty God, without any partners or associates or "gods" besides Almighty God.[/FONT]



[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Dawah is a word in Arabic that means "to invite" or "to offer to share." This is a very important part of being a Muslim and it can be somewhat difficult at times. Yet it is not impossible. The fact is that sharing Islam is a very simple concept. The difficulty comes in when you are trying to communicate the idea to others, especially when they have already been predisposed to believe in something else and to believe that Islam is something bad.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Keep in mind at all times that you are on a special mission to deliver a message of inviting people to worship Allah according to the way that He wants to be worshipped. You are to call them to know the truth and how to follow it. You do this with both your kind words and correct actions.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Your words are used in lectures, sermons, books, tapes and dialogs. These words help people to understand the truth of Islam.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Your actions are observed by others through your behavior and manners. You become the role model for what Islam is all about.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Both methods (dawah by words and actions) were used by the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) when delivering the message of Islam. He was the perfect example of what he was calling the people to do. Ayesah, may Allah be pleased with her, said that if you would like to see a living example of the Quran walking, then simply look to Muhammad, peace be upon him. His life was the best example of the noble teachings and principles set forth in the Quran.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Muslims are supposed to advise everyone by using a gentle and simple approach to attract the hungry souls to the Way of Allah. For sure today more than ever, people need to know about Islam and be able to put it into practice. We all need an example to follow.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Actually, the problem is not so much calling or inviting to people to the message of Islam, as it is the way that we go about it. The way that we present ourselves and the message is most important and unfortunately, something that many of the Muslims are not taking into consideration these days.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Some have actually ruined the image of dawah due to the rigid methods, mistakes and misunderstandings they are applying. This gives a very negative impression about Islam and the Muslims in general. Considering all of the detraction and negative media against Islam and Muslims occuring in these days, it is vital that we approach our dawah with wisdom, kind invitation and logical discussions.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]One example of negative dawah is the false concept that so many Muslims have today about debating the Christians about their Bible. This is very incorrect and not a part of the teachings of the Quran or the way of Muhammad, peace be upon him. While there are a number of things that we might be able to share with them about what we believe that is similar to what they might find in their Book, it is not correct to try to attack their Book, their beliefs nor their understandings. A wise man once said, "Debates bring a lot of heat, but not very much light." Leave the idea of debating and do not attend any functions where these types of activities are taking place. Pray for the Muslims to wake up to the dangers of this as a tool for dawah before it is too late.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Another thing to stay away from is the so called "miracles" about the Quran and Islam that are not mentioned in the Quran or in the Sunnah of the prophet, peace be upon him. One example of the idea of some trees in Germany that are twisted around to spell, "Laa elaha illa lah, Muhammad rasoolulah." This is not true. The picture is a fake and anyone can easily prove this is not real. So where would you be if you had insisted that this was a "proof" that Islam is the right religion?[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Other fake "miracles" include; a fish with "Allah" written on it; a tree bent toward Mekkah in prayer; a pumpkin with "Bismillah Rahman Raheem" on it. Please verify this by visiting our website page on these stories at:[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]http://www.islamtomorrow.com/pumpkin.htm[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Another area to avoid is the misconception about the "miracle of numbers" in the Quran. The stories are many and all of them are false. There is no miracle of "19" in the Quran; this not the occurance of the word "day" and "night" 365 times (the Muslim calendar is 354 days anyway); the words "angel" and "devil" do not occur the same number of times; and all of the mathematical equasions mentioned about the earth and the water are worthless to someone who is trying to understand about Allah and Islam. So please stop this propaganda and DO NOT FORWARD these messages to everyone on your list.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]That is NOT dawah. That is a waste of time and energy. The fact is, that this will turn people away from the truth and destroy the pure message of Islam. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]When we are going to talk with folks about Islam, we should first begin with the word itself. Let people know that there is a difference between the word "Islam" and what some people are doing. Visit our page on this subject of the explanation of words before you try to discuss Islam with anyone:[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]http://www.IslamTomorrow.com/word/[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"ISLAM" - Explain to them that "Islam" can be understood both, as a verb and as a noun. As a noun, it is the religion that was completed by Allah for all human beings 1,400 years ago. The message came with Muhammad, peace be upon him, in the Arabic language.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]As a verb, the word "Islam" means the surrender, submission, obedience and peace in sincerity with Allah.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Next, explain to them that the word Muslim comes from the word Islam itself. And the Arabic uses a prefix to the verb rather than a suffix to indicate the one who is preforming the verb or action. So instead of being an "Islam-er" we are "Mu-islims" (Muslim).[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Remember: K.I.S.S. (Keep It So Simple)[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Next you might logically break down the word "Allah" and let them know what it comes from and how it is the perfect word to describe and represent the Lord of the Worlds, The Only Creator and Sustainer of the universe.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"Allah" comes from the root "elah" and the plural is "awliha." When the article "the" is placed in front of "elah" in Arabic, it becomes "Al-lah." In this state the word can no longer be made plural, nor can it be associated with gender. That is to say, that "Allah" can actually be used to represent the meaning of "One only to be worshipped, never plural, always singular and never man nor woman."[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"Quran" is another word that you might explain to them. Let them understand that the Quran is not a book and that it is actually "alive" today in the hearts of over nine million (9,000,000) Muslims around the world. This is a real miracle. There is no other book like it. No book can compare to it and no other major religion today has their original preserved in the original language by so many followers of the religion.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]For instance, you might ask the person, "Did you know? - Over NINE MILLION Muslims Memorized the Entire Quran. 9,000,000 + Muslims living today have memorized the entire Quran in the original Arabic language. But surprisingly over 75% of all Muslims are not Arab. In fact, the largest number of Muslims today are in Indonesia.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] And did you know? That every Muslim in the world, over 1.5 billion have all memorized some of the Quran and each of them desires to memorize it entirely?[/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"Prophethood" in Islam is also an area that brings people to a better understanding of Muslims and what Islam is really about about. Let them know that as much as we love and honor and respect all of the prophets from Adam to Abraham and Moses and David, Jesus and Muhammad, peace be upon them all, we never worship them. As a matter of fact, that is where people begin to go the wrong way, by over praising something or someone in the creation. All praise and worship is due to Allah, alone.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]You might like to read and share the messages about Muhammad, peace be upon him, and Jesus, peace be upon him, from the Muslim perspective. You could print these pages out and share them or ask them to visit the links online if they can.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"Muhammad" - "Jesus"[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"Human Rights" is a favorite to talk about. And then rights in general in Islam. Of course it is Allah, who has the first and most exclusive right, that of being worshipped alone without any partners. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"Women's rights" There are areas to discuss and in particular of great interest today, is the rights of women. Also, you could mention that today more than ever before, women are coming into Islam in greater numbers than men. This is a fact.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]There are many areas to open up the dialog, but always keep in mind that the message is to call people to worship Allah, Alone without any partners.[/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Make the clear distinction between what "Islam" teaches and what some "Muslims" do. Ask them to consider some of the bad people in history who were supposed to be Christians, yet what they did does not represent the Christians or Jesus.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"Islam" is not what some Muslims do. It is what all Muslims are "supposed" to do.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]So all in all, you need to adopt gentleness and politeness in presenting your arguments. Allah Almighty addresses His Prophet, saying: [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]“Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knows best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.” (An-Nahl: 125)[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) is reported to have said: “Indeed, gentleness adds more beauty to the atmosphere it reposes therein.” [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Actually, nothing is more needed now, in making dawah, than correct knowledge, gentleness and wisdom. The reason for this is to dispel all the superstitions and lies spread against Islam. All this needs wisdom, patience and perseverance, and such polite methods brings quick results and has rapid effect on the audience. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Consider the wife of Abu sufyan, Hind and her saying to Muhammad, peace be upon him, after she came to Islam; "I never wanted to see anyone on the face of the earth to be put down more than you and your family. But now, I do not see anyone on the face of the earth more honored than you and your family."[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This is a clear example of the prophet's effect on people's hearts and minds through his behavior and manners. Callers to Islam must follow this great example in their efforts to share the message of Islam instead of turning them away.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Always consider your audience and who it is that you are speaking to. If the people are not familiar with the Arabic language, then there is no real need to speak Arabic or make all of your quotes in Arabic and then try to translate everything to English. This is silly and could turn people away. Remember to keep everything on their level and not try to talk above them or talk down to them.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Allah is the All Knower.[/FONT]
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[Talha777]

Re: How come there no gender equality in Islam?

----how can we invite Atheists then ?

Atheists are relatively new in the field of religion. Yet the Holy Quran is such a detailed book of divine wisdom and guidance, it addresses every concern of man. Regarding the existence of God, people, especially Christians, employ the cosmological argument, as well as arguments of intelligent design. Yet the Holy Quran has mentioned these arguments which cannot be found at all in the Bible, so it seems to me Islam is the natural religion when it comes to providing proofs for the existence of the Almighty Lord above.

The Intelligent Design Argument:

قَالَ رَبُّنَا الَّذِي أَعْطَى كُلَّ شَيْءٍ خَلْقَهُ ثُمَّ هَدَى

He said: "Our Lord is He Who gave to each (created) thing its form and nature, and further, gave (it) guidance." (20:50)

The Cosmological Argument:

وَأَنَّ إِلَى رَبِّكَ الْمُنتَهَى

That to thy Lord is the final Goal (53:42)

 

[NoName55]

Re: How come there no gender equality in Islam?

I always found the idea that one male witness is equal to two women witnesses one of the most flagrant breaches of this supposed equality within Islam. This whole division of labor thing I can follow, since it is an undeniable fact that women get pregnant. But the female testimony in sharia court is something I cannot understand.

It seems to imply that women are less reliable witnesses, that they are more stupid and less reasonable. This is simply not something I can accept, being a male feminist and all that.

It is a very good point, thank you for asking that

under pressure who gets more hysterical and or emotional? a man or woman

answer that as honestly as you can and only then we can talk more

peace

 

[NoName55]

Re: How come there no gender equality in Islam?

The Intelligent Design Argument:


The Cosmological Argument:

Is it not the word arguement that got us where we are today, despised so much that we are being culled at every available opportunity?

 

[Talha777]

Re: How come there no gender equality in Islam?

You are misunderstanding brother. I am talking about argument in connotation of an academic and logically held belief, not in the sense of an hostile quarrel.

 

[NoName55]

Re: How come there no gender equality in Islam?

Salaam Alaikum
my appologies, thank you for clarification

Ma'asalaama

 

[Talha777]

Re: How come there no gender equality in Islam?

Wa alaikum assalam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu

No worries brother. Hey, this is my fiftieth post! I should be a full member now.

Jazak Allah khair

 

[NoName55]

Re: How come there no gender equality in Islam?

congrats are in order well done"

 

[syilla]

Re: How come there no gender equality in Islam?

I always found the idea that one male witness is equal to two women witnesses one of the most flagrant breaches of this supposed equality within Islam. This whole division of labor thing I can follow, since it is an undeniable fact that women get pregnant. But the female testimony in sharia court is something I cannot understand.

It seems to imply that women are less reliable witnesses, that they are more stupid and less reasonable. This is simply not something I can accept, being a male feminist and all that.

hello there...

firstly for the two women witnesses needed in court is not used for all cases. This is mainly on business dealings and issues.

secondly it doesn't mentioned that one man witness equal to two women witnesses.

better wording...

The issue of two women witnesses in place of one man is the concern of the present treatise. As will become clear to the sincere and objective reader, the intellectual status of a Muslim woman is neither marred nor degraded by the commandment that if two Muslim male witnesses are not available then one Muslim male and two Muslim females should be invited to witness.

For more info : http://www.sunnahonline.com/ilm/dawah/0030.htm

http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/Q_WI/misconception.htm

 

[KAding]

Re: How come there no gender equality in Islam?

It is a very good point, thank you for asking that

under who gets more hysterical and or emotional? a man or woman

answer that as honestly as you can and only then we can talk more

peace

I think that is prejudiced, as if all women would be less reliable witnesses. If a women witness truly was too emotional than that should be dealt with at a trial, not by simply dismissing female testimony as unreliable by definition. I don't know, this kind of collective thinking seems to come back frequently in Islam.

Besides, according to this study women outperform men as far as 'episodic memory' is concerned (which deals with the recollection of events). Exactly the kind of memory relevant in court I would think!

 

[KAding]

Re: How come there no gender equality in Islam?

hello there...

firstly for the two women witnesses needed in court is not used for all cases. This is mainly on business dealings and issues.

secondly it doesn't mentioned that one man witness equal to two women witnesses.

better wording...

The issue of two women witnesses in place of one man is the concern of the present treatise. As will become clear to the sincere and objective reader, the intellectual status of a Muslim woman is neither marred nor degraded by the commandment that if two Muslim male witnesses are not available then one Muslim male and two Muslim females should be invited to witness.

For more info : http://www.sunnahonline.com/ilm/dawah/0030.htm

http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/Q_WI/misconception.htm

Hmm, there seems to be some disagreement about it in Islamic thought then? Since Islam-QA clearly states:

http://islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=20051&ln=eng&txt=women testimony

With regard to the witness of two women being equal to the testimony of one man. Allaah has mentioned the wisdom behind specifying the number of two as being that a woman may forget or get confused

<snip>

This does not mean that a woman does not understand or that she cannot remember things, but she is weaker than man in these aspects – usually. Scientific and specialized studies have shown that men’s minds are more perfect than those of women, and reality and experience bear witness to that. The books of knowledge are the best witness to that; the knowledge which has been transmitted by men and the ahaadeeth which have been memorized by men far outnumber those which have come via women.

This has to do with gender, i.e., the gender of men is more perfect than the gender of women.

This is somewhat at odds with the description on the website you provided. It was an interesting link nevertheless, thank you.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Re: How come there no gender equality in Islam?

Instead of going through all of this, can some answer simple question?

you ask such complicated intricate questions and then expect simple answers? Please sir, at least put in the effort to fully find and understand the truth

 

[Snowflake]

Re: How come there no gender equality in Islam?

I think that is prejudiced, as if all women would be less reliable witnesses. If a women witness truly was too emotional than that should be dealt with at a trial, not by simply dismissing female testimony as unreliable by definition. I don't know, this kind of collective thinking seems to come back frequently in Islam.

Besides, according to this study women outperform men as far as 'episodic memory' is concerned (which deals with the recollection of events). Exactly the kind of memory relevant in court I would think!

Hi Kading,
People of both sexes are more likely to remember events that aroused strong emotions. However this effect is stronger in women. But as Syilla sis pointed out two female witnesses are only called for in cases of business dealings/ transactions. Such dealing have no emotional impact on anyone. And as the verse mentions dealing with transactions over a fixed period of time, it makes sense to have two female witnesses, so that if one forgets the other may remember.

Here is a verse of the Holy Quran which states this clearly..

"Oh! ye who believe!
When ye deal with each other,
in transactions involving future obligation
in a fixed period of time
reduce them to writing and get two witnesses
out of your own men and if there are not two men,
then a man and two women, such as ye choose,
for witnesses so that if one of them errs
the other can remind her."
The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 2, Verse 282

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So are we saying that women are more forgetful than men? In the long-term- yes! So let's look at the possibilities of why women's memory may suffer at some point. Here are some findings by Mary V. Seeman, M.D.

1) Women suffer from dementia more than men.

2) When estrogen levels drop at menopause, brain cells of women begin to degenerate at a faster pace than those of men. Men are relatively spared because their continuing testosterone secretion is converted, to some extent, to estradiol in the brain.


3) Estrogens also modulate the secretion of acetylcholine in the hippocampus by their effect on choline acetyltransferase, an enzyme critical to the maintenance of memory functions


4) Women are disproportionally prone to Alzheimer's disease, even after adjustment for their longer survival


5) Women's cognitive impairments may also be more severe than men's

In summary, women's special vulnerability to Alzheimer's disease, a disease of neuronal degeneration, may be attributable—as is the case for osteoporosis and cardiovascular disease—to postmenopausal estrogen withdrawal.

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I wish to keep this post short and sweet for easy reading. So I won't state hoardes of facts about the effects depression has on memory. But it is a fact that women are more prone to depression than men and that depression affects memory.


Below: Excerpt from an article by Elisa Lottor, Ph.D., N.D. and Nancy P. Bruning.

Female and Forgetful

"To my knowledge, there are no studies that compare the ways in which the loss of cognitive function varies between men and women. But as I stated in the introduction, there are indications that women experience memory loss differently than men. Their brains differ anatomically, and this alone suggests profound possibilities of uniqueness. Other factors such as stress, nutrition, and hormonal influences also set women's forgetfulness apart from men's."


The evidence speaks for itself. When it comes to memory we have take everything that affects a woman into account. Which is exactly what Allah swt, did when He commanded that in certain cases the testimony of two females is required to one of a man.

The so called inequality of female & male witness is not due to inequality of the sexes in islam. But to their different roles and natures as foreseen by Allah - The All-Knowing.


Peace.

 

[wilberhum]

Re: How come there no gender equality in Islam?

it makes sense to have two female witnesses, so that if one forgets the other may remember.

Doesn't that confirm gender inequality? Doesn't it make sense to have two male witnesses, so that if one forgets the other may remember?
I have knowen business women that were sharper than most all Males.

 

[Talha777]

Re: How come there no gender equality in Islam?

Doesn't that confirm gender inequality? Doesn't it make sense to have two male witnesses, so that if one forgets the other may remember?
I have knowen business women that were sharper than most all Males.

What you know is subject to your experience, but what Allah commands is based on Him being Al-Aleem (The All-Knowing). So how can we with our limited rational capabilities question the Judgment of Almighty Allah?

Men and women can never be treated equally, that's just a fact you have to live with. We have different biologies and different pyschologies, etc., and no amount of politically correct feminist nonsense can change that.

 

[Snowflake]

Re: How come there no gender equality in Islam?

it makes sense to have two female witnesses, so that if one forgets the other may remember.

Doesn't that confirm gender inequality?

No, because the chances of women losing their memory is higher than men's. So the addition of an extra female witness is a brilliant way to reduce the chances of losing a testimony. A bit like having backup memory card. : )

Doesn't it make sense to have two male witnesses, so that if one forgets the other may remember?

no because medical evidence has it that more men suffer from mental disorders such as schizophrenia than women. They also have a shorter life span. And are more likely to die in accidents than women. So Allah swt with His Wisdom has created the perfect balance in the duties of both sexes according to their strengths and vunerabilities.

I have knowen business women that were sharper than most all Males

lol I'm sure there's plenty of them. But a rule is neither logical or applicable if it's based on the assessment of individuals in the minority. In studies carried out involving large groups of women (from all walks of life), it has been distinctly proven that women suffer more from memory related conditions than men. And one condition which no woman escapes is the menopause. (One of the reasons why women may suffer loss of memory at some point).


peace.. I need my sleep :uhwhat

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Re: How come there no gender equality in Islam?

I know my bro has better memory than me :X lol

 

[Snowflake]

Re: How come there no gender equality in Islam?

I know my bro has better memory than me :X lol

mine too.. actually EVERYONE has a better memory than me

except one day we were discussing polygamy and he said, "well a woman can't have four husbands cuz it would spread STD's. But a man can have four wives cuz he can't catch anything from them." uh? ;D

I was laughing so hard I needed oxygen. And when I asked him if men can't catch it how did he think the wives got it in the first place? Then he realised what he'd said and this time he was the one needing oxygen.

After all that he said that he'd heard it in Zakir Naik lecture but he was sure std's had sumthing to do.. only he couldn't remember what! :giggling: