Is there gender equality in Islam?

[Malaikah]

Re: How come there no gender equality in Islam?

what would happen if a woman marries 4 men? and she is pregnant? who is the father? and if you say that "well we could find out that with lab analysis", then do you think about 890 babies being born every 3 minutes, would have to be tested who is the father? (i'm excluding here technology issues, that the apparatus might give wrong results and also the time consume of the analysis). you could mess up somebody's life forever.

Not to mention most parts of the world do not offer that technology, and even if they do, most people can't afford it.:rollseyes

And those factors, in my opinion, should have nothing to do with legal matters. But thanks again for confirming that there is not gender equality in Islam.

We have something better- it is called equity and justice, and guess what, we have equality too, but only where it is practical, and does not result in injustice!

Men and women are seen as equal in from of Allah. Just because we have rules that apply differently to males and females, doesn't mean that injustice is taking place, or that one is superior to another.

It doesn't take a genius to figure that out... seriously. Men do not equal women, no matter how hard you try to make it seem that way.

So I would say that fortunately most people think like me.

If most people think like you, then all inequality is bad. Okay, I think it is time to get rid of those special parking places that only disabled people are allowed to park in... it isn't equality, it has to go. I guess we should also get rid of all gender based things in life, such as clothes, hair styles and names, and replace them with unisex uniforms... oh dear, but men and women aren't the same either... perhaps we should just exterminate all traces of males and females so we never again had biological inequality...

:rollseyes

 

[vpb]

Re: How come there no gender equality in Islam?

Malaikah,

let's even assume that all the countries can offer this technology,it would still be a mess. Plus imagine how many people would be dis-motivated to have kids? look at UK, just bc they give the same rights to married couple and unmarried couple, the number of marriages have started dropping.

Today, it has been proven that women are equally capable as men.

what way? earning money? getting a degree?

my friend, not the whole world is about getting Phd and earning money. Money and college do not make you a good person, they don't fix up your moral.

ohhh, why isn't there any female in the One Para brigade?? (UK Army), the ones that keep the machine guns with one hand, the ones with red hats?
and do u know how much u need to work to get in there?

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace;

what would happen if a woman marries 4 men? and she is pregnant? who is the father? and if you say that "well we could find out that with lab analysis".........

--to my knowledge , DNA test is done after the baby is born ; so which husband will be responsible for taking care of wife through out the pregnancy time ?


If all 4 husbands deny that no , it's not my baby , then how to decide the matter ? U can't force a man to pay for other man's baby , can u ?


It's husband's duty to bring the wife to his home & take care of her ; so how 4 husbands will bring only 1 wife to 4 different homes ?


One solution is 4 brothers will marry 1 girl-----that is prohibited in Islam . May be , some people need to create a new religion . LOL :rollseyes

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace;

Does Islam Oppress Women?

A Muslim Woman's Response




Talk delivered by Sr. Aminah Mah at Curtin University, Perth on 31/08/2003



http://www.islam-australia.net

A Muslim! Kathy, how could you - a white western woman convert to a religion which makes its women second class citizens!”

Katherine Bullock (www.islamfortoday.com)

In Australia, it was believed that 4 out 5 converts are women. (Buckley, Salam 1995)


Right to attain piety

Unlike women in the Jewish and Christian teachings


(http://www.fountainmagazine.com/2003/women.html), Islam gave women absolute equal opportunity as men to attain piety. The emphasis is unmistakably clear in the following verse in the Qur’an:




“Verily, the Muslims men and women, the believers men and women, the men and women who are obedient,

the men and women who are truthful, the men and women who are patient, the men and women who are humble,


the men and women who fast, the men and women who guard their chastity and the men and women who remember Allah much with their hearts and tongues,

Allah has prepared for them forgiveness and a great reward.” (33:35)


Right to choose marriage partner and the right to fair treatment:

“O ye who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, …live with them on a footing of kindness and equity if ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and Allah brings about through it a great deal of good.” (4:19)



In Canada, a woman is sexually assaulted every 6 minutes; 1 in 3 women in Canada will be sexually assaulted at some time in their lives; 1 in 4 women are at the risk of rape or attempted rape in her lifetime; and 1 in 8 women will be sexually assaulted while attending college or university; and a study found that 60% of Canadian university-aged males said they would commit sexual assault if they were certain they wouldn’t get caught.”



This led me to look into the statistics in Australia. From a Women’s Safety survey by the Australian Bureau of Statistics, 2.6 million women had experienced one or more incidents of physical or sexual violence since the age of 15, of which, 2.5 million were perpetrated by men. 77% of victims of homicide are women and male offenders are responsible for 80% of these cases. (ABS 1996)




We cannot deny a hard fact that men are physically stronger than women.


This leads me to the discussion, briefly on the difference in appearance between Muslim men and women. God commands us to cover, for many good reasons. Allah says in the Qur’an regarding women’s code of dress, that “they should be known as believing women so as not to be annoyed.” (33:59). By covering up our beauty, by leaving our adornments at home, by facing the public with only what is absolutely necessary, we expand our personal space to a larger perimeter; the strict dress code is aimed at protecting the believing women from assault and other harms.


By lowering our gaze and checking our manner of communication, that is our tone of voice and the content of our conversation, we reduce the chances of uninvited intrusion.


.......In the same token, Muslim men are instructed to lower their gaze, guard their chastity, dress and behave in modesty, to deserve the special companionship of their wives who preserved themselves for their eyes only.



...The miracle of the Qur’an will continue to convince those who look for answers about life, with a truly open mind. Would you care to read it before it is too late?

 

[tomtomsmom]

I am not saying that I agree with it one way or the other, this is just a in general type of question.

If a man marries say 4 women and they each have a child, do the women share in the raising of the children? Does each woman treat the others womens children as her own?

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace;

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If a man marries say 4 women and they each have a child, do the women share in the raising of the children? Does each woman treat the others womens children as her own?

----to my knowledge , wife deserves (it'a a must ) to have her own seperate room/different portion if not seperate home is available. so, she does not need to take care of other wife's baby.

all babies will have their own mommy & daddy.


of course , if one takes care of others kids , there will be rewards. Allah won't deprive anyone . We will be rewarded for all good deeds does not matter how little/ insignificant it looks like.

 

[One Man Army]

so dont any of the islamic sisters in here feel upset, or feel it is unfair to have your husband and some other women having sexual relationship in the room next door??? your ok with this?

 

[aamirsaab]

so dont any of the islamic sisters in here feel upset, or feel it is unfair to have your husband and some other women having sexual relationship in the room next door??? your ok with this?

Firstly, you assume polygamy is a must, which is incorrect. It is allowed but not obligatory.

Secondly, polygamy is not practiced that much by muslims. Maybe more so in the middle east I would assume, where generally the economy is not how we say, good.

 

[Pygoscelis]

I don't know how often Islam is accused of being gender unequal.

I do often hear it being called sexist, and that is an accurate accusation. It is sexist by definition. It assigns gender roles hence its sexist. Personally that puts me off it, if a woman wants to do "manly" things and a man wants to do "womanly" things I think that is fine. But to each their own.

 

[tomtomsmom]

so dont any of the islamic sisters in here feel upset, or feel it is unfair to have your husband and some other women having sexual relationship in the room next door??? your ok with this?

The husband can't have another wife unless the first one agrees to it.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

so dont any of the islamic sisters in here feel upset, or feel it is unfair to have your husband and some other women having sexual relationship in the room next door??? your ok with this?

Well brother, if you're force fed this by certain men in high postions, what choice would a woman have? None. They're told it's right so shut up and obey (to be blunt)

Although I take note that Polgamy is not essential.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

If we were upset, would we be telling u:? Your asking as if u want us to be...LOL!

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

If we were upset, would we be telling u:? Your asking as if u want us to be...LOL!

Could it be termed as ''brainwashed''?

 

[aamirsaab]

...I do often hear it being called sexist, and that is an accurate accusation. It is sexist by definition.

I cannot see how.

It assigns gender roles hence its sexist...

With all due respect, this occurs regardless of religion, and certainly was the case in the west up until only a few decades ago, lest ye forget.

Personally that puts me off it, if a woman wants to do "manly" things and a man wants to do "womanly" things I think that is fine. But to each their own.

Of course. One simply has to remember though that there are limits/boundaries to everything e.g. there are no laws preventing women from working but biology gets in the way of men being able to give birth .
Islam in a nut shell is a set of rules and regulations, just like any other way of life.

Well brother, if you're force fed this by certain men in high postions, what choice would a woman have? None. They're told it's right so shut up and obey (to be blunt)

That is less to do with Islam, and more to do with the guy going on an ego trip .

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Nope. I apologize if yall wish it was. Sorry to break your heart:rollseyes

 

[- Qatada -]

Well brother, if you're force fed this by certain men in high postions, what choice would a woman have? None. They're told it's right so shut up and obey (to be blunt)

Although I take note that Polgamy is not essential.

Maybe your claim would hold weight if it was prohibited in your own religion? You continously keep saying its prohibited, yet its you who's blind following as you say somethings prohibited in your faith - without even having any evidence for that.

 

[vpb]

fi sebililah,

be patient bro, till the command is brought by Allah swt to end up everything of this world, and we will see how they are going to behave when they face jahannam. they will not be able to make even one sujud for Allah swt.

 

[tomtomsmom]

Ohhh I am so gonna get bashed for this.............

Men and women aren't equals and we don't have to be! We each have our own role to play. Can I go dig a ditch?? Suuure no problem. If I had to I would dig to China. But you can bet your last nickle that if my husband is there, he will be the one digging and I will be the one bringing him his sweet tea. I have no problem with this. Dishes need to be washed so I wash them. Trash needs to be taken out so he grabs the bag and does his job! This arguing back and forth is pointless. I can't understand why there are men saying that us women are so oppressed and we need to fight it when there are so many women here saying that WE LIKE THE WAY THINGS ARE!!! My husband is a muslim and not once, not even one time, has he ever tried to stop me from doing what I want to do. People say that women shouldn't so this or that because we are the more fragile of the two sexes. Well science has proven that even in the sperm state that the female sperm is stronger than the male sperm, they just swim faster than us. My point is.....why should women have to do the dirty work when that is what we have men for? Go to work, deal with the dangers of everyday life, take the trash out and kill the bugs!!!

 

[wilberhum]

Ho tomtomsmon, you are so busted.
I just scratched you off my “I think she is totally great” list. :raging:

Can I go dig a ditch?? Suuure no problem

But there is a problem if you are told you can’t dig the ditch. Even if ditch digging is the only way you can save tom from starving. You can’t dig the ditch, you have to witch your son die from starvation.
What if you lost your court case because your opponent was a man whose testimony was worth twice that of yours?
I have no problem with digging that ditch either. I doubt that I would hand my wife the shovel and I’m sure she would bring me a beer as I dig. But if I wasn’t capable of shoveling, I sure wouldn’t want her to be sent to jail for trying. That is nothing but sexist.

 

[- Qatada -]

But there is a problem if you are told you can’t dig the ditch. Even if ditch digging is the only way you can save tom from starving. You can’t dig the ditch, you have to witch your son die from starvation.

And who said that she can't dig the ditch?

What if you lost your court case because your opponent was a man whose testimony was worth twice that of yours?

Or how about being a woman who's husband commits adultery, he runs away with another woman and leaves the wife to lookafter the kids without no father? How come there's no objection to that?

I thought it was all women's rights?

I have no problem with digging that ditch either. I doubt that I would hand my wife the shovel and I’m sure she would bring me a beer as I dig. But if I wasn’t capable of shoveling, I sure wouldn’t want her to be sent to jail for trying. That is nothing but sexist.

There you go again, who said she would go jail?