Is There Such a Thing As Freedom Of Speech?

[Ramadhan]

I meant social behaviours, rather than Government legislation. Your situation in Indonesia sounds good however. I have travelled extensively in Indonesia in the past but unfortunately it was during the the time of the Asian financial crisis which caused. In fact I narrowly missed getting caught in a supermarket fire in Jakarta, which killed a number of people. Despite that i enjoyed the visit immensely!

I don't know what you mean by "social behaviours", but in public spheres, people here do not insults/mock other religions.

In fact, the governments of USA and EU countries (through their aid programs) continuously provide fundings to organizations who attack/mock/insult Islamic values and teachings.

 

[Ramadhan]

I once saw a documentary that visited the Aceh district in part. I would argue the way un-islamic attire is imposed on the young population in general by their Sharia police or what it is called, does not equally respect all faiths/believes. It is a huge bias towards one religion and to a lesser degree this seems to be similar in many Muslim nations.

There are plenty of unsubstantiated claims in your sentence above based on one documentary.

I have visited Aceh many times for my work, both before and after the Tsunami. I have friends who live in Aceh and many of them are not muslims. And they have lived there for years and years, and they (the female ones) do not have to wear "islamic attire".

What would you say if I make a sweeping judgement about Austria based on one documentary?

Sure the insults won't disappear if one ignores them especially not in the web where there is at least one fool for anything. But they appear less often. The idea that globally movies like innocence of Muslims can be made to disappear is illusory, impossible unless we start a police state.

Whoever said here that argued that filth like innocence of muslims can be made to disappear globally?

How does one define the public sphere. A youtube movie is something that one has to actively pull down from the web. A building in the public that is immovable in your neighborhood is something different. Do you watch a TV Channel that you can switch at the press of a button or are you complaining about a poster you have to pass every day on your way to work. The knowledge of existing insulting material is not the same IMO as inescapable insulting material.

That was just one example.
I challenge you to come to Indonesia and find me an Indonesian TV program or street poster/billboard that mocks/insults christianity/catholics/buddhism/hindu.

 

[FollowerOfChrist]

Non life threating offensive speech should be legal

 

[sister herb]

I agree with you! Let´s together release all those Palestinians from zionist jails whose have tried to speak for they freedom!

Like Palestinians whose have been arrested when zionist settlers have attacked them and after IOF have arrested victim.

 

[FollowerOfChrist]

I refering to all this anger about the anti-Islamic movie. If you don't like it, don't watch it.

 

[sister herb]

I never watched it at all. Never watch. Why I would?

 

[Mustafa2012]

Assalaamu alaykum,

Just have a read of this hypocrisy. The maker of the recent insulting film was arrested today but not for making the film which sparked off so much violence and deaths around the world.

He was arrested for violating probation terms after he was released from prison in 2011 for bank fraud.

Ironic eh? A man who insults our Prophet himself is charged with fraud. What a shame!

Here's what the BBC article said,

"Earlier, the Obama administration had requested Google, the company that owns YouTube, to remove the clip. The technology firm refused, saying the film did not violate its rules.

A clip from the US-made film was dubbed into Arabic, provoking widespread anger for its disrespectful portrayal of the Prophet Muhammad.
The film was made on a very low budget, with insults and offensive inferences to the Prophet Mohammad and Islam crudely dubbed on afterwards.
But it has not broken any laws in the US, where freedom of speech is enshrined in the constitution's first amendment."

Let me repeat that last part,

"But it has not broken any laws in the US, where freedom of speech is enshrined in the constitution's first amendment."

The constitution's first amendment seems to be a privelege reserved exclusively for non muslims.

Non muslims can say just about anything they want to insult our religion under the cover of "Freedom of Speech".

Why is Holocaust denial not allowed under Freedom of Speech?

The moment a muslim speaks their mind, it becomes a crime.

Freedom of speech is a sick joke, that's what it is.

 

[Mustafa2012]

Google must be making a lot of money off the attention it's generating from that video.

 

[جوري]

The moment a muslim speaks their mind, it becomes a crime.

Isn't that why they're extraditing Babar and a few others and after nearly a decade of false imprisonment?

 

[Mustafa2012]

Isn't that why they're extraditing Babar and a few others and after nearly a decade of false imprisonment?

Yes partly, but with some of the cases it's a bit more serious than that.

 

[FollowerOfChrist]

The constitution's first amendment seems to be a privelege reserved exclusively for non muslims.

Non muslims can say just about anything they want to insult our religion under the cover of "Freedom of Speech".


The moment a muslim speaks their mind, it becomes a crime.

How so?

 

[Mustafa2012]

How so?

Please read through all the comments on this thread and you will find your answer in many places.

 

[FollowerOfChrist]

I did... What rights does a non-Muslim have under the first amendment that Muslims don't?

 

[Aprender]

How so?

Look up the Irvine 11.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/09/irvine-11-verdict-1.html

Normally when college students interrupt speeches and things they either get escorted out of the building after being asked to stop. The law suit was uncalled for. This kind of thing happens all the time on college campuses around the U.S. and no one usually gets taken to court for it.

There are other examples of things like this happening to Muslims too.

 

[Mustafa2012]

I did... What rights does a non-Muslim have under the first amendment that Muslims don't?

There's a lot of comments on this topic. Around 11 pages to be precise.

You couldn't possibly have read them all so quickly.

 

[FollowerOfChrist]

Look up the Irvine 11.


Normally when college students interrupt speeches and things they either get escorted out of the building after being asked to stop. The law suit was uncalled for. This kind of thing happens all the time on college campuses around the U.S. and no one usually gets taken to court for it.

There are other examples of things like this happening to Muslims too.

Distrubing a meeting during a speech would be disorderly conduct. And this just doesn't happen to Muslims either.

 

[FollowerOfChrist]

Assalaamu alaykum,

I thought it might be useful for you guys to read this article in BBC News today.

"A teenager has been found guilty of posting an offensive Facebook message following the deaths of six British soldiers in Afghanistan."

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You wouldn't get arrested for that in America.

 

[FollowerOfChrist]

That was in the UK.

 

[Mustafa2012]

Assalaamu alaykum,

I thought it might be useful for you guys to read this article in BBC News today.

"A teenager has been found guilty of posting an offensive Facebook message following the deaths of six British soldiers in Afghanistan."

QUOTE]

You wouldn't get arrested for that in America.

I am fully aware of which country it happened in. But it remains to be seen.

In theory he wouldn't have, but going by the way the public react to anything said by Muslims nowadays, there's a good chance he would have been arrested even in America.

 

[ba51th]

there was an admin of a facebook fan page, he said he live in australia, he is a non-muslim, he made some status that 9/11 was an inside job, and he said police came to his house and took all of his computer gear, and told him to not post status about 9/11 again...