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:sl: people.

this question might sound absurd to you but ....if someone comes to know they have cancer or might be having symptoms...and they ignore it in order to die more fast, is this suicide or not?

in case if they dont see a reason to live, they dont consider themselves worthy of living any more and their only family, their mom and brother want to get rid of them too and neither can they pay for it anyway.

maybe they can do a favour for their family by not causing any more problems and not wasting money on some useless crap who dreams so big, but in reality is .....nothing but ..........*many words can count here* ?
 
Wa'alaikumsalam ramen.

If someone got cancer, he/she should not give up and expect to die fast, because this is suicide. But he/she must try to survive although might be destiny would say differently.

That's what happened to my beloved wife. She got breast cancer. But she tried to not give up, and struggle for four years, although finally Allah took her return to Him at June, 2013.

These are the threads that I have made about my beloved wife.

http://www.islamicboard.com/advice-support/134315932-im-hoping-wife.html

http://www.islamicboard.com/general/134320300-wife-gone-allah.html
 
Assalamu Alaikum

No one knows how his/her life will end. There are many stories of people overcoming cancer. One should strive to live so that he can do more ibaadah and get more rewards. If Allah is giving you life then who's to say you're not deserving of it? Our families are there to take care of us through all the hardships we endure, that's what a FAMILY does. So instead of being in this depressive state, they should be positive and put their trust in Allah. A positive attitude brings so many changes in one's life.
 
I didn't mean to scare anyone. The point in my previous post is, do not ever give up if attacked by cancer. Of course, there are people who survive and cured from cancer too.
 
ramen-thelegend said:
:sl: people.

this question might sound absurd to you but ....if someone comes to know they have cancer or might be having symptoms...and they ignore it in order to die more fast, is this suicide or not?

in case if they dont see a reason to live, they dont consider themselves worthy of living any more and their only family, their mom and brother want to get rid of them too and neither can they pay for it anyway.

maybe they can do a favour for their family by not causing any more problems and not wasting money on some useless crap who dreams so big, but in reality is .....nothing but ..........*many words can count here* ?
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Well, the person could be asked by Allah why he didn't get treatment. so what will be his response. also, it's possible that the cancer or disease gets worse and then people find out but by then it's reached the stage that it can't be cured and you're taken to the hospital and end up in more pain that lasts a long time and you spend a lot more on treatment too but the treatment doesn't help but only prolongs your suffering. So it's best to get treatment early. Even if it's by ruqya. And if you're certain you might have cancer, then do the tests and get treatment early. You may eradicate the cancer easily if it's in its early stages. You'll live a healthier life and not spend as much money. On the other hand, people who find out late that they have cancer end up being in the hospital for years , spending a lot more money on treatment and not being able to finish the cancer completely.

So the best thing is to get treatment early. And yeah, ruqya can cure cancer without medication.
 
ardianto said:
Wa'alaikumsalam ramen.

If someone got cancer, he/she should not give up and expect to die fast, because this is suicide. But he/she must try to survive although might be destiny would say differently.

That's what happened to my beloved wife. She got breast cancer. But she tried to not give up, and struggle for four years, although finally Allah took her return to Him at June, 2013.

These are the threads that I have made about my beloved wife.

http://www.islamicboard.com/advice-support/134315932-im-hoping-wife.html

http://www.islamicboard.com/general/134320300-wife-gone-allah.html
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i am sooooooo sooo soooooo realllyyy really sorry for your wife.

the thing is, you guys can afford it, your wife was loved, thats not the same for me. neither does anyone love me, or want me to stay alive, my mom n my brother have always prayed for my death, always cursing and abusing me. nor can we afford the treatment.

i guess i should rewrite my question something like....

my moms family came over 2 days back. one of my uncle is an oncologist and he started asking me questions about my routine and diet and blah blah blah. after i told him everything he said i could seriously be diagnosed with some type of blood cancer. a day passed and now he thinks i really do have cancer, i got all those symptoms and i should go and do some tests and confirm it.
i dont want to.

wait..........
if i have been told/warned by a professional that i might be having blood cancer, i observe all its symptoms but i refuse to confirm it through tests because if i do so, and turns out i really do have cancer and THEN i refuse to get treatment its going to be suicide. that is why i dont want to confirm it, i mean i want to ignore it and carry on with my daily chores, my dialy routine the same way it was before.

but what if i die within a month or so, i mean i really did have cancer...will ALLAH swt take it as suicide bcz i knew/had been warned about it.

?????
the thing is...i dont want to confirm it. if it is cancer or not, i dont care, i'm still the same i was yesterday and i'll remain the same tomorrow, its not like i'm going to sit back and wait for my death or be telling people that i'm sick or something. i just want to ignore this thing but i'm not sure if that's acceptable in islam. and islam matters to me. the afterlife matters to me. ALLAH swt orders matter to me.
 
Assalamu alaykum

First of all, sis, there is no need to work yourself up or worry. I am sorry to say but I would question your uncle's judgement on your condition, you know him better than I do, but to diagnose someone with 'blood cancer', without performing any blood tests is something I wouldn't imagine a professional doing. And even if he was suspicious, I don't think he should have told his fourteen-year-old niece without confirming it first.

But as he has told you, and he is an oncologist, I would suggest you should have those tests done. I do not know the fiqh perspective from it, but as a Muslim life is sacred, we should do everything in order to preserve that life - look back to the Islamic Golden Age, Muslim physicians and doctors were the leading authorities in disease prevention, diagnosis and cure. This is because of the teachings of Islam, for example:

‘“Allah has not sent down any disease but He has sent down a cure for it.”Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 5678.

There is a cure for every disease except death, and I believe to refuse having a possible problem diagnosed and hence delaying treatment would be a misjudgement. You should not wait around for death or for Allah SWT to miraculously give shifaa - this isn't how it works. And this does not compromise tawaakul - the same way eating and drinking does not compromise tawaakul. It is our duty to ensure we remain in the best of health, and within halal means heal ourselves when unwell. This is faith in Allah SWT, when following His commandments we use the means He has provided for us on this earth, tawakkul should not make one fatalistic or helpless - that mindset actually goes against this concept.

So go for those tests if you are concerned. To be suspicious and not go may not be suicide, but it would be ignoring the means Allah SWT has provided mankind with to heal themselves, and that would be wrong, because it is His mercy that He has given the cure for ever disease - we should protect life to our highest ability.

And also, you are not unloved in the slightest. We all love you, and most of all, Allah SWT and His Messenger (pbuh) loves you more than anyone here could, and that is all the love you need.
 
noraina said:
Assalamu alaykum

First of all, sis, there is no need to work yourself up or worry. I am sorry to say but I would question your uncle's judgement on your condition, you know him better than I do, but to diagnose someone with 'blood cancer', without performing any blood tests is something I wouldn't imagine a professional doing. And even if he was suspicious, I don't think he should have told his fourteen-year-old niece without confirming it first.

But as he has told you, and he is an oncologist, I would suggest you should have those tests done. I do not know the fiqh perspective from it, but as a Muslim life is sacred, we should do everything in order to preserve that life - look back to the Islamic Golden Age, Muslim physicians and doctors were the leading authorities in disease prevention, diagnosis and cure. This is because of the teachings of Islam, for example:

‘“Allah has not sent down any disease but He has sent down a cure for it.”Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 5678.

There is a cure for every disease except death, and I believe to refuse having a possible problem diagnosed and hence delaying treatment would be a misjudgement. You should not wait around for death or for Allah SWT to miraculously give shifaa - this isn't how it works. And this does not compromise tawaakul - the same way eating and drinking does not compromise tawaakul. It is our duty to ensure we remain in the best of health, and within halal means heal ourselves when unwell. This is faith in Allah SWT, when following His commandments we use the means He has provided for us on this earth, tawakkul should not make one fatalistic or helpless - that mindset actually goes against this concept.

So go for those tests if you are concerned. To be suspicious and not go may not be suicide, but it would be ignoring the means Allah SWT has provided mankind with to heal themselves, and that would be wrong, because it is His mercy that He has given the cure for ever disease - we should protect life to our highest ability.

And also, you are not unloved in the slightest. We all love you, and most of all, Allah SWT and His Messenger (pbuh) loves you more than anyone here could, and that is all the love you need.
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thanks sis.

my uncle clearly knows about my relation with my mom. he is a professional, but he's in a different country and to get things/stuff/tests/whatever done in a proper ...blah blah blah he wants me to get stuff/tests done...blah blah blah

i dont understand why i'm never clear enough^o):heated:.i'm sorry. why does everybody keep saying i should confirm it when i'm telling you i'm not doing it! anyroad!(for many reasons)

my question simply is: if someone has very clear and exposed symptoms of cancer and he/she ignores them( for a thousand good reasons) and then they die because of it in sometime, will that be considered as suicide( i mean committing suicide which is haram!)?
 
ramen-thelegend said:
my question simply is: if someone has very clear and exposed symptoms of cancer and he/she ignores them( for a thousand good reasons) and then they die because of it in sometime, will that be considered as suicide( i mean committing suicide which is haram!)?
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If someone still has chance and ability to get medical care, but he refuse to take medical care because he prefer to die, this is suicide. However, if someone has tried to get medical care, but all healing method which he has taken failed, or he has no chance to get medical care, and finally he choose to wait whatever will happen to him, this is not suicide.
 
ramen-thelegend said:
:sl: people.

this question might sound absurd to you but ....if someone comes to know they have cancer or might be having symptoms...and they ignore it in order to die more fast, is this suicide or not?

in case if they dont see a reason to live, they dont consider themselves worthy of living any more and their only family, their mom and brother want to get rid of them too and neither can they pay for it anyway.

maybe they can do a favour for their family by not causing any more problems and not wasting money on some useless crap who dreams so big, but in reality is .....nothing but ..........*many words can count here* ?
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Have honey and live life as per normal, and never lose hope in the mercy of our RABB.

There is a hadith about having honey at least 3 times a month. Have it with yaqeen, don't stress about the outcome, trust me if these conditions are met, life will be good no matter what
 
ramen-thelegend said:
my question simply is: if someone has very clear and exposed symptoms of cancer and he/she ignores them( for a thousand good reasons) and then they die because of it in sometime, will that be considered as suicide( i mean committing suicide which is haram!)?
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Yes it is suicide clearly. If you dont go to a doctor and die because of this you go to hell.
 
:salams

WHY? GO TO THE DOCTOR!

Seriously! you may end in Hellfire! Think! If you go to the doctor, get it treated, and become healthy In shaa' Allah, then good! but if you don't do anything and die, it may classify as suicide, thus in Hell.. Secondly if you DIE while having tried your best to cure yourself, then In shaa' Allah a shaheed, and may Allah SWT Bless you with Jannatul Firdaus. Ameen.

Think..

If you wait and die --> suicide --> bad. (Assuming that it is, ALLAHU alam!)

if you seek cure and die --> great may Allah SWT Bless you. Ameen.

If you seek cure and are cured --> great. May Allah bless you with good deeds!!

EITHER WAY, it is a WIN WIN if you go there, In shaa' Allah.

May ALLAH forgive me if I said anything wrong. Ameen.

This is from the assumption that this may classify/is suicide.
 
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Go to the GP. It could be something else. I have had symptoms of Crohns Disease which scared the living daylights out of me but once I was tested, it was only Colitis which is a step down and not as bad.

If you do have cancer, which hopefully you won't have, no one is going to force you to have medication or chemo. Numerous people are told options and they choose not to. Some are still living now. 3 elderly people had terminal cancer in my street a few years ago, none of them had chemo and they are all still alive a few years later.

You believe in Allah. If your time has come, you will go. There are no two ways about it. Don't you think it would be nice to explore all the paths available before you write yourself off? Also, just out of interest, have the GP's told you it's cancer or they think it is or have you looked online re: the symptoms on Google? My Dad was told his kidneys had failed and then it went to some kind of chest infection before they told him it was cancer. They are not always right. These days if you have a cough for more than a month, they tell you it's cancer which it probably isn't! Also, please don't look on the internet re: symptoms, you will find horror stories most of which are untrue.

Please keep in touch with us and let us know how you are doing. Wishing you all the best.

PS. With regards to suicide, I don't know. I am not qualified enough. But it sounds like you just need someone to talk to. Where are you based? Do they have cancer organisations like McMillan/Marie Curie in the UK? They will talk to you one on one and will be able to help you.
 
there are a million reasons i dont want to confirm it.
my mom and my brother have always hated me and prayed for my death. cursing and abusing me everyday. i feel like ALLAH swt has answered their prayers. they'll be alot happier without me.


my mom was already a primary school teacher, and taking out the money for our school fees(we went to a private school), there was always little left.


in addition, my mom lost her job a couple of months back, she was a spoiled rich kid who wasn't interested in acedemics so....we came pakistan almost three months back so she can sell some of her parents property and they'll give her enough money to buy our own house back in wales(we lived in a rented one previously) and get some more qualifications.


now in that kind of financail status, who's going to pay for it?


i want to continue my life the way it was, ignoring this cancer thing.


someone told me about a cancer hospital in pakistan, that treats poor patients free of cost, but even if i go there i cant carry on because i have to leave pakistan in less than 40 days. as for all those kind of stuff in the uk, i lived in neath, there are no cancer hospitals in neath and there's no way in hell my mom will want to shift places because of me.


i cant just go out and beg someone to help me, plus i'm 14 so i cant do it on my own. i dont want to force it on my mom either, because i've always caused problems for her and whenever i've complained about her behavior towards me she's ended up crying and blaming herself for everything and i seriously feel like killing myself at that piont.


all the symptoms that the ocnologist mentioned....well they have been along for a year and a half now. i hid the throwing up of blood while coughing thing because it was really disgusting, i was happy about not getting fat even though i ate 24/7. i thought the pains came from the fact i had to go to work and school and some martail arts classes too. i was so much used to the fever, previously my class mates called me flu.


theres so much more but i dont know where to start?


no one's really interested in helping me anyway. neither am i. i want to ignore it and die when i'll die. yeah now i know there are more chances i'll die earlier but that can help in me wanting to become a better person fast.
 
so you people mean that all people who refuse to get treatment( they got reasonable excuses) and take risk, and die in that way are committing suicide???????
 
ramen-thelegend said:
so the famous quid-e-azam....committed suicide?

i dont think so......
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I didn't say it was suicide, I said it was wrong.

I don't know about his case tbh. If he could of gotten the treatment but still refused it, then famous or not, what he did would be wrong.
 
this is soooooooooooooooo messed up....

a girl on another forum finally said since i've tried to get advice from various sources so its ok then.............
 
ramen-thelegend said:
this is soooooooooooooooo messed up....

a girl on another forum finally said since i've tried to get advice from various sources so its ok then.............
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'Since you said you can do nothing about it'. Are you sure you can't do anything about it?