Is USA a Christian country?

[Karl]

Question: Why is the news that I listen to "spin" but the news you listen to is "fact"? Seems like BS to me...

As for the CHILD RAPE taking place, in the modern world, its a crime. It doesn't matter what the bible says about it.

Sorry I have no time for commie trolls. Twisting the facts.

 

[Ramadhan]

Muslims have been killed and that is a shame. No one wants to see unnecessary loss of life. Christians and Jews and non-religious people have also been killed. It's all very unfortunate.

It is interesting how you use the term "unfortunate" to describe the targeted invasions of muslim lands and killings of millions of muslims

 

[Insecured soul]

Even though USA isnt a christian country but its against tawheed (islamic monotheism) and fighting against it (muslims)

 

[titus]

Sorry I have no time for commie trolls. Twisting the facts.

Name calling instead of reasoned statements is a sign of a poor argument (or a lack of one).

I have yet to read about that.
So far I've seen/read is these christians evangelists/missionaries/zealots talk endlessly abouthow god loves everybody, how god's love saves us all... love this..love that...
I have yet to hear christian talks about "justice", "fairness"

Then you need to read or listen more. It isn't hard to find.

Do you punish your son by torturing him for the rest of his life until he dies?

No, but then I am not God. I wouldn't punish my son for eternity for the rest of his life because he didn't think I was his father.

Allah does that, though, according to your beliefs. I could be the nicest, most loving caring person in the world, but if I don't believe in Islam then I am condemned to eternal torment. That makes about as much sense to me as the Christian Hell.
Example

 

[truth finder]

let me count again:
The father (1) + the son (1) + holy spirit (1) = 3

or
Wishnu (1) + Shiva (1) + Brahma (1) = 3

or

Isis (1) + Horus (1) + Osiris (1) = 3

or

Zeus (1) + Poseidon (1) + Hades (1) = 3 (can be many more, depending how many person-gods you want to throw in)

or

The Horned God (1) + The Goddess (1) = 2 (Many Wiccans believe that the Horned God and Goddess are merely two aspects of the same Godhead, obviously they think 2 is more efficient than three, although they also supplement the two with various gods/goddesses).

or

Thor (1) + Odin (1) = 2 (can be many more, depending on your preferences).

Thanks for your comment, friend. In fact I have heard a very similar argument from many Muslim friends: 1 God (the Father)+1 God (the Son)+1 God (the Father Spirit) = 3 Gods. Therefore Christians worship three Gods.

But you seem to be confused about deity and non-deity. You are applying non-deity mathematics to deity. We cannot compare deity with non-deity. Deity is eternal, while non-deity is mortal. Deity is perfect, while non-deity is imperfect. Deity is pure, while non-deity is impure. The difference between deity and non-deity is like sky and land, and in fact even more. Deity is like infinity, while non-deity is like finite. For non-deity mathematics, 1 + 1 + 1 = 3. But deity mathematics, infinity + infinity + infinity = infinity, not 3 infinities. There is no such thing as 3 infinities. I hope you had a math class before.

 

[titus]

Saying that Christians believe in three gods is the same as saying that Muslims pray to a rock five times a day.

While on the surface it may appear true, a little honest research proves them both false.

If you don't believe that Christians are monotheistic then take a simple test: Ask them how many Gods there are. They will answer one.

I find it silly that Muslims continually try to convince Christians that they don't believe what they say they believe.

 

[DavidK565]

It is interesting how you use the term "unfortunate" to describe the targeted invasions of muslim lands and killings of millions of muslims

I said that its unfortunate that anyone has died in conflict. That includes muslims, christians, Jews, and anyone else.

 

[Ramadhan]

Saying that Christians believe in three gods is the same as saying that Muslims pray to a rock five times a day.

LOL.
Are you christians that desperate?

While on the surface it may appear true, a little honest research proves them both false.

If you don't believe that Christians are monotheistic then take a simple test: Ask them how many Gods there are. They will answer one.

Are you even that insecure?
Just a moment ago i thought you were claiming you worship a three in one gods.

I find it silly that Muslims continually try to convince Christians that they don't believe what they say they believe.

We don't need to convince christians.
Increasing number of christians (especially in developed countries) are becoming disillusioned that the christianity creed is so illogical and absurd that they've become atheists and agnostics in millions.

 

[aadil77]

Saying that Christians believe in three gods is the same as saying that Muslims pray to a rock five times a day.

While on the surface it may appear true, a little honest research proves them both false.

If you don't believe that Christians are monotheistic then take a simple test: Ask them how many Gods there are. They will answer one.

I find it silly that Muslims continually try to convince Christians that they don't believe what they say they believe.

hmm...never seen such a large cube shaped rock before

I find it silly how 3 can equal 1, so?

 

[Ramadhan]

I said that its unfortunate that anyone has died in conflict. That includes muslims, christians, Jews, and anyone else.

right.

We were not talking about generic though.
We were talking about specific US foreign policies that invaded muslim lands, killing million muslims, and drove away the whole nation and subject them to constant missiles attack while labelling them as terrorists.

 

[Ramadhan]

Thanks for your comment, friend. In fact I have heard a very similar argument from many Muslim friends: 1 God (the Father)+1 God (the Son)+1 God (the Father Spirit) = 3 Gods. Therefore Christians worship three Gods.

But you seem to be confused about deity and non-deity. You are applying non-deity mathematics to deity. We cannot compare deity with non-deity. Deity is eternal, while non-deity is mortal. Deity is perfect, while non-deity is imperfect. Deity is pure, while non-deity is impure. The difference between deity and non-deity is like sky and land, and in fact even more. Deity is like infinity, while non-deity is like finite. For non-deity mathematics, 1 + 1 + 1 = 3. But deity mathematics, infinity + infinity + infinity = infinity, not 3 infinities. There is no such thing as 3 infinities. I hope you had a math class before.

So Jesus pbuh was infinity?

this is a new one. nice.

this is getting more absurd by the day.

I love how christians keep inventing more and more absurd terms and attempt at explaining how they worship three gods and yet are insecure enough that they don't want to be called as polytheists.

 

[DavidK565]

I wasn't talking about that.... you were the one that brought it up.

But if to you, the world starts on Day 0, and on Day 0, the US "invaded" or "occupied" Muslim lands, then there's nothing I can say that will change you mind. In reality, actions cause reactions. And it's a cycle that's been going on for quite some time.

 

[DavidK565]

What is the need to ridicule Christianity? If you don't believe in the trinity or whatever, then you find something you DO believe in. You already have, as you're Muslim. What does it matter to you what others believe? No one is trying to convert you here....

 

[Ramadhan]

No, but then I am not God. I wouldn't punish my son for eternity for the rest of his life because he didn't think I was his father.

huh?
you made the analogy yourself because you attempted to explain christianity concept of god's love, and now you are taking it back?

Are you christians that devious and cunning and think others as blind as you are?

Allah does that, though, according to your beliefs. I could be the nicest, most loving caring person in the world, but if I don't believe in Islam then I am condemned to eternal torment. That makes about as much sense to me as the Christian Hell.

We don't claim Allah loves everyone, did we?

YOU were claiming God loves everyone, and you even made the analogy about you punishing your son

I suspect christians are very susceptible to anthromorphize their gods since they worship father and son.

 

[Ramadhan]

But if to you, the world starts on Day 0, and on Day 0, the US "invaded" or "occupied" Muslim lands, then there's nothing I can say that will change you mind. In reality, actions cause reactions. And it's a cycle that's been going on for quite some time.

In reality,
- The US totally supports Israel who drove away the natives of the whole nation (palestinians), took away their lands, and subject them to missiles attack and other attacks that killed women and children.
- The US invaded and occupied Afghanistan and Iraq and killed a millions of muslims.

 

[Ramadhan]

What is the need to ridicule Christianity? If you don't believe in the trinity or whatever, then you find something you DO believe in. You already have, as you're Muslim. What does it matter to you what others believe? No one is trying to convert you here....

I don't think anyone is as much ridiculing christianity as putting facts in words.

 

[truth finder]

I have yet to read about that.
So far I've seen/read is these christians evangelists/missionaries/zealots talk endlessly abouthow god loves everybody, how god's love saves us all... love this..love that...
I have yet to hear christian talks about "justice", "fairness"

Many Muslims make a similar statement about our faith: Christians enjoy immorality because they always talk about the love of God through Jesus Christ, instead of God's judgment and punishment? First of all, a Christian is someone who has restored the broken relationship with God by sincerely accepting Jesus as God’s forgiveness. It does not matter if he/she was born to Christian parents, or he/she was baptized when young, or he/she goes to church every Sunday, or he/she is a priest or pastor or even a pope. We Christians are as serious as you Muslims are about immorality and social injustice in the world. Do you think most Christians enjoy illegal sexual relationships with more than one wife and some concubines? Do you think most of us watch pornography secretly at night? Do you think we support abortion and same sex marriage? Do you think we take drugs secretly? Of course not! When people deeply experience the breadth and depth of God's love that was most explicitly demonstrated through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross for all human beings, they naturally stay away from immorality. “While we were still sinners, Christ died for us” (Romans 5:8). I am one of many living examples. This is the best and perhaps the most effective way to stay away from sin. Instead of struggling hard to avoid committing sins supplemented with the constant reminder of the threat of hell fire, people must deeply experience the love of God through the sacrificial death of Jesus Christ to forgive our sins. “This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.” (Matthew 26:28). This unconditional love for us motives our deepest love and submission to God. The obvious result of struggling hard to avoid committing sins supplemented with the continuous threat of hell fire, is a life of constant guilt, fear and frustration.

 

[DavidK565]

In reality,
- The US totally supports Israel who drove away the natives of the whole nation (palestinians), took away their lands, and subject them to missiles attack and other attacks that killed women and children.
- The US invaded and occupied Afghanistan and Iraq and killed a millions of muslims.

Right, so like I said, if you look at the world as though it started on Day 0, and on Day 0, the US came to town, then of course that's how you're going to see things. As usual, its not as clear-cut as that. The world is a complex place. Issues between Muslim and Christian nations have been going on long before the US even existed.

 

[DavidK565]

I don't think anyone is as much ridiculing christianity as putting facts in words.

When it comes to people's religions, there are beliefs. No facts. You have a set of beliefs and other people have a different set. Even within the same religion, people have a different interpretation of God and what he does. It really doesn't matter, as long as you are secure in your own faith.

 

[Ramadhan]

Contrary to what christians -in this forum at least- who have been trying to spread lies about Islam, we muslim do not fear hellfire.
We fear Allah.
and not only that.
We have FEAR, LOVE and HOPE of Allah SWT.


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Question


Dear scholars, As-salamu `alaykum. Why is there is so much fear of Allah? We should love Allah, not be scared of Him. Jazakum Allahu khayran.




Answer


Wa `alaykum as-salam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh.

In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

Dear brother in Islam, we would like to thank you for the great confidence you place in us, and we implore Allah Almighty to help us serve His cause and render our work for His sake.

As servants of Allah, we must entertain love and hope in Allah with fear of His wrath, for Allah is Most Merciful and Compassionate and He is also Stern in punishment. Fear alone, without hope, is not recommended, just as hope alone, without fear, is not recommended.

The ideal way is, therefore, to combine fear of Allah with hope in His mercy. We must fear Allah in such a way that we are prompted to avoid the things that incur His wrath; while we must entertain hope in Allah’s mercy in such a way that we must never hesitate to repent and change ourselves in order to receive the mercy of Allah.

In his response to your question, Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, a senior lecturer and Islamic scholar at the Islamic Institute of Toronto, Ontario, Canada, states:

You are right in saying that we must love Allah, but at the same time it is wrong to suggest that love of Allah excludes fear of Him. For while we are to love Allah unconditionally, we must also be afraid of incurring His wrath. This is because of the fact that just as Allah, the Most Exalted and Glorious, is the Compassionate and Merciful, He is also the Just and Stern in punishment.

If we wish to delve deeper in to this issue, we must clarify the following:

The issue of love of Allah is not so much a matter based on reason and logic; it is, rather, something based on revelation, for the way to approach Allah is dictated by revelation and not by pure reason. It is Allah and Allah alone Who must teach us how to approach Him. Otherwise, we are simply comparing Allah with His creation, and thus we end up shaping Allah in our own mind. Therefore, there is no way for us humans to know about Allah’s nature except through His own revelation.

Allah tells us about His nature in the Qur’an: (Tell My servants that I am the Forgiving, the Compassionate, and that My torment is indeed the painful torment) (Al-Hijr 15: 49–50). And in another place, Allah describes Himself as follows: (Allah, the Mighty, the Knower, the Forgiver of sins, the Acceptor of repentance, the Stern in punishment, the Bountiful. There is no deity beside Him. To Him is the final journey.) (Ghafir 40: 2–3).

Revelation tells us that as servants of Allah we must entertain love and hope of Allah with fear of His wrath, for Allah is Most Merciful and Compassionate and He is also Stern in punishment. Fear alone, without hope, is not recommended, just as hope alone, without fear, is not recommended.

The ideal way is, therefore, to combine fear of Allah with hope in His mercy. This, according to the Qur’an, is the way of prophets, the ideal role models for humanity. (They used to hasten to do good works, and called upon Us with hope and fear, and they were humble before Us) (Al-Anbiya’ 21: 90). We must fear Allah in such a way that we are prompted to avoid the things that incur His wrath, while we must entertain hope in Allah’s mercy in such a way that we must never hesitate to repent and change ourselves in order to receive the mercy of Allah.

It is also possible to explain this rationally, for it is not hard to reason that every earnest and sincere lover must also be afraid of displeasing his or her beloved, and hence he or she will be careful not to say or do things that may directly or indirectly earn his or her anger.