is voting really haram?

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Misbah0411 said:
I got news for you they are all against Muslims. Some show it more than others. If you want to deceive yourself in thinking otherwise then be deluded. Allah knows best what is the nature of the disbeliever when He made the general statement:

120. Never will the Jews nor the Christians be pleased with you till you follow their religion. Say: "Verily, the Guidance of Allah (i.e. Islamic Monotheism) that is the (only) Guidance. And if you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him ) were to follow their (Jews and Christians) desires after what you have received of Knowledge (i.e. the Qur'an), then you would have against Allah neither any Wali (protector or guardian) nor any helper. (Surah Baqarah)



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Did you not read when i said the lesser of two evils, ie voting for the one who would cause the least harm or no harm to the muslims. If both parties would be of no benifit to the muslims then ofcorse you dont vote, but if there is benifit in voting then you are allowed to.
It only becomes haram if the person you are voting for openly claims himself against islam & will make life harder for muslims, or wish to openly allow i.e homosexuality, drugs etc

I would rather the person to be in power who doesnt infringe on my rights to wear what i please or to be able to practice my religion freely.
How would you like it if new people in power suddenly brought out a law against women wearing niqab and men wearing toppe or turban, shutting down of masjids, stopping halal meat and your vote could have stopped these people coming into power and helped benifit the muslims.

if you dont want to vote that is your choice, im not saying you have to it is your choice, but dont make or say it is haram when it is allowed under certain circumstances and imply that those who do vote or want to are kufr or want to follow kufr or have kufr beliefs.
I dont follow their beliefs and never will, i follow the laws of the country as long as it does not go against the laws of Allah, which again have certain circumstances where the grey areas are filled in by the scholars such as :-

paying taxes to the government(no choice)
You want a car you need insurance to drive it on the roads legally, among other things

https://islamqa.info/en/239647

Ofcorse i want sharia law it is Allahs law and i will forever defend it,
but in the west we are NOT the majority we are the MINORITY, by which means it cannot be implemented..
Even then if sharia was implemented, the belief in Allah and emaan needs to be established first, then the laws and punishments come into place.
For those not muslim they are allowed to practise their religion, but must adhere to certain rules. This wont happen overnight and cannot impose our religion on other people
If sharia is that important to you then call those "western kufr" to islam in the best of manners and ways, help the numbers of believers rise and bring them to the truth of islam

https://islamqa.info/en/110455

https://islamqa.info/en/3062

https://islamqa.info/en/59879
 
Zafran said:
You claim to live in "dar al kufr" - so if you find yourself in Dar al Kufr where is Dal al Salam? Isnt that where your meant to make Hijra to?
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Your're in Dar ul Kufr yourself in case you are confused or deluded. I answered your question. Now answer mine. Did your parents make hijrah to Dar ul Kufr?
 
Misbah0411 said:
Your're in Dar ul Kufr yourself in case you are confused or deluded. I answered your question. Now answer mine. Did your parents make hijrah to Dar ul Kufr?
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I'm not in Dar al Kufr so I dont need to make Hijra - I can live under shariah exactly where I am. You on other hand seem to be claiming to establish Shariah yet you dont know what it is?
 
muslimah_B said:
It only becomes haram if the person you are voting for openly claims himself against islam & will make life harder for muslims, or wish to openly allow i.e homosexuality, drugs etc

I would rather the person to be in power who doesnt infringe on my rights to wear what i please or to be able to practice my religion freely.
How would you like it if new people in power suddenly brought out a law against women wearing niqab and men wearing toppe or turban, shutting down of masjids, stopping halal meat and your vote could have stopped these people coming into power and helped benifit the muslims.


paying taxes to the government(no choice)
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No, he doesn't have to proclaim that he is against Islam because all politicians speak out the side of their mouths. We go by his actions unless you choose to be willfully ignorant of how they fight Islam and Muslims.

You would rather that politician not infringe on your rights but be oblivious to those same rights he is crushing with his military on Muslims in their own lands. But just as long as your life is safe, its all good. No point in despising him since he left you alone.

You already have countries in Europe trying to impose bans on niqab and other restrictions.

Paying for taxes and insurance is forced upon us and is the moral responsibility of the legislator. Voting is voluntary.
 
Zafran said:
I'm not in Dar al Kufr so I dont need to make Hijra - I can live under shariah exactly where I am. You on other hand seem to be claiming to establish Shariah yet you dont know what it is?
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Your location says UK. Might want to change that so as not to be deceitful. No I am not claiming to be establishing Shariah. The topic in this thread, "Is voting haram" I am claiming that all legislation belongs to Allah. And that is what Muslims should yearn for and put aside secular law and have loyalty Allah for what He has revealed. What is Shariah to you?
 
Misbah0411 said:
Your location says UK. Might want to change that so as not to be deceitful. No I am not claiming to be establishing Shariah. The topic in this thread, "Is voting haram" I am claiming that all legislation belongs to Allah. And that is what Muslims should yearn for and put aside secular law and have loyalty Allah for what He has revealed. What is Shariah to you?
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Shariah has 5 Maqasids

1- protection to the deen
2 - Sancity of life
3 - protection of property
4 - protection of the intellect
5 - protection to your honour/family.

All being met in the UK - possibly better then most of the mid east combined.

seculer laws like traffic laws, gun laws, etc etc??

No voting isnt haram - the first and the third caliph were pretty much voted in and accepted by the people - every leader needs to keep in power and rule.
 
I'd vote, if I thought it would help. When a million man march on the streets of London couldn't persuade the Prime Minister to avoid conflict - that's when I decided enough was enough.

Halal or haram is a side issue for me - I have the choice, and I choose not to vote. Best part is, me not voting, is completely halal - that's the safe option. Just in case it all went over your tiny minds. :D

Scimi
 
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Misbah0411 said:
No, he doesn't have to proclaim that he is against Islam because all politicians speak out the side of their mouths. We go by his actions unless you choose to be willfully ignorant of how they fight Islam and Muslims.

You would rather that politician not infringe on your rights but be oblivious to those same rights he is crushing with his military on Muslims in their own lands. But just as long as your life is safe, its all good. No point in despising him since he left you alone.

You already have countries in Europe trying to impose bans on niqab and other restrictions.

Paying for taxes and insurance is forced upon us and is the moral responsibility of the legislator. Voting is voluntary.
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Brother its like you ignore half of my post and only reply to what you can make an argument out of,
in sha Allah your not doing this on purpose and are actually reading what im writing and not picking and choosing what to reply to

We all know politicians speak out their backside, some are more upfront with their views some arent so as I said if they out rightly are implying they will make the life of muslims harder or against islam IT IS ABSOLUTELY HARAM TO VOTE FOR THAT PERSON. If voting for another person will lessen hardships on muslims etc then it is allowed to vote for them as it will benifit the muslims.
If there is no benifit or both are evil then it is HARAM to vote
I dont know how much more simpler i can make that

How dare you imply that i dont care about the rights of other brothers and sisters in the world, but im not allowed to care for my own sake or those Muslims in the country i live in neither right?
Just because someone voted for someone doesnt means they like them or their views and policies, they are trying to prevent a greater evil by voting for the lesser evil !!!!!!
If you dont want to vote ever then dont, but dont make what is permissable in certain circumstances haram, when i gave you clear evidences for this

If you work or take benifits/welfare you pay taxes on it, and those taxes go towards military expenses, but you know just as long as you have a job and food to eat right you dont mind those taxes paying for bombs, drones and ground troops ?
(How much sense does your argument have like honestly, do you just enjoy being argumentative for the sake of arguing, making childish statements)

"Oh because i am thinking about myself and muslims of the country im living in, i dont care about the rest of the muslims over the world, let me just take a blind eye to what hes doing to them <<< are you serious brother with these kind of statements im actually quite insulted by that statement

Even with giving charity you have make sure you and your family are provided for first, then you help others. (This is thinking about yourself also before others)
You have to help yourself first before you can help others
 
Misbah0411 said:
One of the nullifiers of Islam is: Supporting and
assisting the disbelievers against the Muslims. The proof for this is Allah's statement:

51. O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliya' (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but Auliya' to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as Auliya', then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allah guides not those people who are the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers and unjust). Surah Maidah
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Does your fatwa of kufr apply on all these Muslim countries.?
 
Misbah0411 said:
This is why the kuffar use a double standard and are the biggest hypocrites when they talk about "freedom and Democracy" and giving the people the right to vote. Algeria had elections in the 90's and the people voted for Shariah and also in Egypt just a few years ago with Morsi coming into power only for disbelievers hating the decision of the people and turning a blind eye when the military took over by force the "will of the People". Where was the outrage from the U.S.? Nothing. Like I said before, the disbelievers hate Islam and will undermine it covertly and fight it overtly.
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Your views are self contradictory.

In post #22 you quoted verse of Quran whereby Muslims are prohibited to not make kuffar as our friends and in this post your complaing of their double standard. How should we expect friendly response from kuffar then.?
 
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Misbah0411 said:
Your're in Dar ul Kufr yourself in case you are confused or deluded. I answered your question. Now answer mine. Did your parents make hijrah to Dar ul Kufr?
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I said I wasn't going to come back in here, but.... sometimes...You just gotta.
Sharia law is not legally implemented ANYWHERE. Saudi arabia, neither in Qatar, neither in UAE, neither in Egypt, Lebanon, etc. where all of these Muslim countries are. What is the reason that Europe has gone down the road it has on abusing the rights of Muslim women? Because of Muslims like you, who say that involvement in politics is HARAM in the first place. If more Muslims had been involved in changing the way that policies are made, structured and implemented, perhaps things would not be like this. But reality check, that's not the case. A lot of people would rather curl up and let others get their hands dirty in politics and then complain, right?

Who fled to a Christian empire when he was being persecuted? Our dear Prophet took refuge with a CHRISTIAN king. What is going on now? Aren't a LOT of Muslims fleeing to Christian countries for protection from people who have deluded themselves to implementing intolerance, as opposed to Allah's word?

If you want to implement Shariah, do it in your own home, follow Shariah like other Muslims should and ensure that your home is a sanctuary for it and in your behavior with other people. If you don't like the West, like someone else said here, move somewhere else, but I don't think that other countries would be quite so fitting. Also, FYI in some countries it is a legal requirement to vote as part of your citizenship status. You are by law, required to vote, otherwise you are subject to a fine.
 
Misbah0411 said:
So are you saying there is no purpose to implementing Shariah Law in this day and age?
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Do you not read what people write? I said what is the final purpose of implementing the Shariah? I will spell it out for you.

If SHARIA is one that is to impose POLICIES of INTOLERANCE for other religions

OR SHARIA to build harmony and create communication, i.e co-existence between people

Me thinks, you think about Sharia in a particular way.... as one that is xenophobic as opposed to a harmonious co-existence... I prefer a harmonious co-existence, so policies should reflect that and not xenophobia..

^o)
 
Misbah0411 said:
There isn't enough Muslims to change the forms of governments in Western Countries. Secondly, how many who call themselves Muslims would even vote to establish Shariah where they live. From the commentators on this forum, it is likely discouraging.
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May Allah bless you.
 
Bhabha said:
NO ITS NOT. How do you think the first caliphs were ELECTED!? Whoever keeps saying it's haram is doing bidah
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He was elected by allegiance. Some people claim that democracy or election is haram and kufr
 
Serinity said:
I'm honestly confused. But voting with the intention to promote kufr, is haram, definitely, and is kufr.Instead of spreading our opinions lets consult the scholars, and see what they say. Cuz speaking without knowledge is highly reprimanded.. afaik. May Allah SWT forgive me if I said any wrong. Ameen. Allahu alam.
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what I have seen is that only salafi scholars declare it haram.
 

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