Is (zho el'Qarnyen) Prophet Solomon PBUH?

[جوري]

Can someone who is scholarly and can read Arabic... pls read this website http://www.alassrar.com/sub.asp?page1=derasat1 as pertains to prophet Solomon PBUH and let me know if it is true from a scholar's point of view -- and if they can safely conclude that Prophet Solomon is indeed Zho El-Qarnyen?
thank you

 

[back_to_faith]

Can someone who is scholarly and can read Arabic... pls read this website http://www.alassrar.com/sub.asp?page1=derasat1 as pertains to prophet Solomon PBUH and let me know if it is true from a scholar's point of view -- and if they can safely conclude that Prophet Solomon is indeed Zho El-Qarnyen?
thank you

Greetings dear sister

I couldn't view the web site there was an error but anyway even before I read it,,the claim is that Prophet Solomon is indeed Zho El-Qarnyen is a weak claim:

1-first and more important ,prophet solomon peace be upon him always Allah called him by his name(soliman) ,to assume that all of a sudden Allah called him (Zho El-Qarnyen) in alkahf (sura) is a leap of logic.


2-(Zho El-Qarnyen) means that this man had two horns on his head,and that is why people called him such name,and that is not strange as ancient kings in ancient time ,especially the pharaohs used to use animal parts in their clothing and style,and that makes the idetification of the Quranic (Zho El-Qarnyen) to be difficult,but who knows what the historical discoveries will show us.......

Zho El-Qarnyen is neither Alexander the great nor Solomon ........those who try to argue who is he ,merely playing the guessing game with no historical basis.


peace to you

 

[جوري]

shokran akhi.. indeed the article goes into unusual detail of the statues that he had as (3D) soliders-- I am not sure what it means quite I took it as having the ability to dissociate in both matter and spirit and teleported else where at a speed faster than the speed of light as per the article... since Prophet Solomon (suliman) PBUH, had a kingdom unlike that had ever been or shall ever be after him. it made sense to the writer I suppose that he'd be the only one with such an ability?

Also some strange association between some artifacts found in various places to denote, it is where his army would appear from almost satellite dish proportions ... I am not sure why they interpret the verses so differently than what we were accustomed to reading. It is intriguing to me nonetheless--but I am not sure it is very truthful.

Been searching on the web and I get some unusual responses including zho el-Qarnyen being prophet Moses PBUH...
I have never thought Alexander the great as zho el-Qarnyen who was in fact from (3ibad Allah Asa'l7een) = religious, whereas Alex engaged in very questionable behavior... But what do we know about zho El Qarnyen really? what period in history was he from? and Where did he come from?
thank you for your input and time

 

[chacha_jalebi]

dhul Qurnain (alayhi salam) was a prophet and so was Sulayman (alayhi salam) both have different stories, like Sulayman (as) had been given power by Allah (swt) to command animals and jinns, and Dhul Qurnain (as) built the wall over the tribes of yajuj and majujjy its in surah al kahf, ya get me so how can they be the same??

 

[جوري]

I don't know lol.. that is why I asked.. There are many cryptic verses in the Quran... I mean suret Al, Baqara starts with (Alif Lam Meem) and no one really knows what that means? so naturally after reading the article I was intrigued. yes bros Back to faith is right when he states ( zho- elqarnyen) means the one of two horns. but it isn't a name, it is a description. I am sure that wasn't his name...
which I take to be something that looks like this

I just wanted to learn more about him

 

[back_to_faith]

shokran akhi.. indeed the article goes into unusual detail of the statues that he had as (3D) soliders-- I am not sure what it means quite I took it as having the ability to dissociate in both matter and spirit and teleported else where at a speed faster than the speed of light as per the article... since Prophet Solomon (suliman) PBUH, had a kingdom unlike that had ever been or shall ever be after him. it made sense to the writer I suppose that he'd be the only one with such an ability?

Also some strange association between some artifacts found in various places to denote, it is where his army would appear from almost satellite dish proportions ... I am not sure why they interpret the verses so differently than what we were accustomed to reading. It is intriguing to me nonetheless--but I am not sure it is very truthful.

Been searching on the web and I get some unusual responses including zho el-Qarnyen being prophet Moses PBUH...
I have never thought Alexander the great as zho el-Qarnyen who was in fact from (3ibad Allah Asa'l7een) = religious, whereas Alex engaged in very questionable behavior... But what do we know about zho El Qarnyen really? what period in history was he from? and Where did he come from?
thank you for your input and time

the Quest for zho El Qarnyen is as the same as the quest for Ramsis of the exodus !!!....
as we have at least 7 kings who were called Ramsis we could have several

zho El Qarnyen (The two horned religious leader or king )

Impossible to say for sure who is the historical Quranic zho El Qarnyen till we have more historical discoveries to give us more data....

visit here to see what they argue about him...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhul-Qarnayn

 

[جوري]

lol yes.. thanks I am quite familiar with that article, as this topic has been on my mind for ages ( from a historical point of view) I tried correcting that article several times and I see they have taken my editorial comments out... eh just as well... You are right akhi... until we have Gog and Magog (yajuj and Majuj) in our midst, or some new discoveries as per Zho- El Qarnyen.. we'll have many questions unanswered. I didn't want a secular view... I guess for now I'll have to be content not knowing more =(


Thanks so much for your time

 

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

I found this interesting, since it was actually referenced to a classic Islamic text:

http://www.islamicboard.com/717568-post118.html

 

[جوري]

I found this from another site... from the (other type of Muslims, that live in iran) pls tell me what you think of this claim that he was Darius?
thank you

I've been trying to figure out who Dhul-Qarnayn was, since he appears to have been a significant figure in history. The Sura "The cave" mantions him and how he trapped yajuj and majuj. But there have already been many discussions about yajuj and majuj, so I don't want to talk about them right now.

This topic is about the identity of Dhul-Qarnayn. I know many people claim he was Alexander the "great", but that claim just doesn't stand up to the facts. The Qur'an says that Dhul-Qarnayn first traveled west, then traveled east. This is exactly the opposite of Alexander, who first traveled east, then returned west after reaching India.

Furthermore, whereas Dhul-Qarnayn was a pious man, indeed, a prophet, Alexander was not even Muslim. Alexander was a mushrik who considered himself to be the "son" of the idol Zeus, and even forced conquered people to worship him. On top of that, he is reported to have killed hundreds of thousands of people and even to have committed zinaa and sodomy, as was common among pagan Greeks at the time.

Others have suggested that Dhul-Qarnayn could be Cyrus the Great, Darius the great, or some other Persian ruler (Xerxes is known to have destroyed quite a few idols), but that is also uncertain. Others say it was Zathustra, who got aid from an eastern Iranian King in spreading his faith, whose identity we do not fully know.

Brothers and sisters, who do you think Dhul Qarnayn was or may have been?

another member replied

My money is on Darius I. There are a few reasons I say this. If you look at the Bible, Darius was one of the leaders of Persia while the Israelites were in exile in Babylon. Darius is prophecied in Isaiah 42-43 as a friend of the Israelites. Darius met the prophet Daniel, and is recorded in the Bible in Daniel as having been a monotheist and friend of the Israelites and their religion. He was the Persian king who eventually released the Israelites from captivity, and paid for the rebuildinbg of the Temple in Jerusalem. Finally, under Daniel's reign, the two kingdoms of Persia and Media were united. In the book of Daniel, these kingdoms are referred to as Daniel's two "horns." Those who know Arabic know that Dhul Qarnain means the "one with two horns." I think it's a good bet.

 

[back_to_faith]

I don't know lol.. that is why I asked.. There are many cryptic verses in the Quran... I mean suret Al, Baqara starts with (Alif Lam Meem) and no one really knows what that means? so naturally after reading the article I was intrigued. yes bros Back to faith is right when he states ( zho- elqarnyen) means the one of two horns. but it isn't a name, it is a description. I am sure that wasn't his name...
which I take to be something that looks like this

I just wanted to learn more about him

salam

1- the explanation to the cryptic verses in the Quran which I'm convinced to is:

It is a kind of showing the linguestic miracle of the quran How?

1-Arabs were famous for their great poetry before islam and lots of them mastered Arabic and challenged each others in poetry and other talents related to Arabic.

2-The quranic style was unique and a challenge for those experts to provide something like it.

3- so When Allah says:
(Alef lam meem) for example in the beginning of a quranic chapter He tells the listener something like that:

you see how I use the same letters of Arabic Alphabet you use to creat poems etc...,but my work is neither poetry nor anything else you could creat or even listened to before.

in other words imagine a genius engineer who visited a very poor area who the people build there small houses ,thinking that their work is great and unique till once such great engineer built for them a skyscraper ,by using the same building material they used ,after he finished his work he invited them to see his great work and he hold in his hand the working material he used which they also use in their work in building small houses, and he said:
concrete,iron,wood and pointed with his finger at the skyscraper and said (skyscraper)
the same way the Quran ,Allah says:

Alef lam meem (the alphabet which the poets use to creat poems and great Arabic stuff) and those you use such alphabet to creat poems I will use the same alphabet but the production is a skyscraper(the quran) compared to your small houses (poems etc..).

Hope you understood me.

2-there is no reasons at all to think that zho- elqarnyen had another name which people used to call him,It seems that all the people used to call him this exact name,and if he had another name there shall never any trace or record of it,as long as the people used to call him zho- elqarnyen.

thanks dear,intellegent sister for your active readings.

 

[جوري]

I understand perfectly what you are saying... and it is a good explanation. Can't tell you how many absurd ones I have heard.. maybe not absurd but a collective honest effort?... some folks attribute numbers to such syllables deeming the secrets to un-coding the universe lies within these cryptic verses that are found all throughout the Quran. I like your explanation certainly alot more.

I have a little difficult time believing that a mother would name her child (of two horns) great people sometimes go by an alias certainly if I used the term (Al-Ameen) you'd still know it to be prophet Mohammed PBUH, though it is obvious that isn't his name...

This isn't to say I am convinced Prophet Solomon PBUH is (zho el-Qarnyen)... I guess it is as good an effort as anyone's
I love studying theology in general, and don't mean to drag this to where people are annoyed with me... I just sincerely wanted to know what others thought... I thank you for your kind words especially where you call me intelligent ahahhaha
that is a good one... you have made my day
shokran akhi Also shokran bros Al-madani and cha chalbi... I really do enjoy all your posts
jazakum Allah khyran
Ameen

 

[back_to_faith]

I found this from another site... from the (other type of Muslims, that live in iran) pls tell me what you think of this claim that he was Darius?
thank you



One of the most prominent of these is the theory that Dhul-Qarnayn was no other than Cyrus the Great of Persia. This theory has been endorsed by such scholars as Maududi, the Indian minister Maulana Abul Kalam Azad, Allameh Tabatabaei[1], and Naser Makarem Shirazi[2], among others. Despite this, the theory that follows remains especially tenuous, given the fact that Cyrus the Great practiced Zurvanism, decoupling him from the Dhul-Qarnayn's requisite monotheism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_the_Great_in_the_Qur'an

 

[جوري]

lol-- thanks akhi-- figures why the Iranians would be all over him as a plausible subject then... sigh... back to square one for me... Maybe one day I can grow content just not knowing ... :-[

 

[back_to_faith]

I understand perfectly what you are saying... and it is a good explanation. Can't tell you how many absurd ones I have heard.. maybe not absurd but a collective honest effort?... some folks attribute numbers to such syllables deeming the secrets to un-coding the universe lies within these cryptic verses that are found all throughout the Quran. I like your explanation certainly alot more.

I have a little difficult time believing that a mother would name her child (of two horns) great people sometimes go by an alias certainly if I used the term (Al-Ameen) you'd still know it to be prophet Mohammed PBUH, though it is obvious that isn't his name...

This isn't to say I am convinced Prophet Solomon PBUH is (zho el-Qarnyen)... I guess it is as good an effort as anyone's
I love studying theology in general, and don't mean to drag this to where people are annoyed with me... I just sincerely wanted to know what others thought... I thank you for your kind words especially where you call me intelligent ahahhaha
that is a good one... you have made my day
shokran akhi Also shokran bros Al-madani and cha chalbi... I really do enjoy all your posts
jazakum Allah khyran
Ameen

Jazaki Allah khairan


actually you wonder if a mother would name her child (of two horns)


I answer you (yes) in the old times and till now in the east there were always funny names like that ,imagine for example to find a family title (the one with the buffalo) or (donkey) etc.... till this day such titles exist in the east and no offend at at all
though I think the name (zho el-Qarnyen) could be the name he had after wearing such horns ,and was famous by it,hence if we find historical data ,it should be with such exact name .

 

[جوري]

I found this interesting, since it was actually referenced to a classic Islamic text:

http://www.islamicboard.com/717568-post118.html

shokran akhi... how fascinating.. what do the people of the city say exists beyond these walls? is it inhabited?

 

[جوري]

Jazaki Allah khairan


actually you wonder if a mother would name her child (of two horns)


I answer you (yes) in the old times and till now in the east there were always funny names like that ,imagine for example to find a family title (the one with the buffalo) or (donkey) etc.... till this day such titles exist in the east and no offend at at all
though I think the name (zho el-Qarnyen) could be the name he had after wearing such horns ,and was famous by it,hence if we find historical data ,it should be with such exact name .

;D lol akhi -- yes I suppose when a mother labors so long and is in pain, she wouldn't care , how choicy the name she bestows upon her infant...

 

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

shokran akhi... how fascinating.. what do the people of the city say exists beyond these walls? is it inhabited?

I guess there's nothing out in the open. But I guess its a good theory to say that they are somewhere underground covered up?

 

[جوري]

yes... I too believe that they are underground... I am not sure if the story is true.. but basically they try to dig their way out everyday, and by morning all they have dug goes back the way it was... so I have read somewhere and I can't find a source at the moment... that, one day they will use the words (insha'Allah) and that is how they will find their way out... I believe it also to be one of the morals of the story in suret Al-kahf, where they are mentioned... you see I believe that Prophet Mohammed PBUH told some rabbi that he will have a story for him but didn't use the term insha'Allah, and so nothing was revealed unto him for two weeks I believe.. then suret Al-kahf came about!

وَلَا تَقُولَنَّ لِشَيْءٍ إِنِّي فَاعِلٌ ذَلِكَ غَدًا {23}​

[Pickthal 18:23] And say not of anything: Lo! I shall do that tomorrow,

إِلَّا أَن يَشَاء اللَّهُ وَاذْكُر رَّبَّكَ إِذَا نَسِيتَ وَقُلْ عَسَى أَن يَهْدِيَنِ رَبِّي لِأَقْرَبَ مِنْ هَذَا رَشَدًا {24}​

[Pickthal 18:24] Except if Allah will. And remember thy Lord when thou forgettest, and say: It may be that my Lord guideth me unto a nearer way of truth than this.

So I believe toward the end they will learn the secret to their exit is (insha'Allah) and that is how they will be let loose upon the world...

Sometimes I am so grateful we are saved the tribulations of the end, but can't tell you how badly I want to learn of these events first hand... would like to see Jesus PBUH descend to earth, would like for the mehdi to be in our midst, would love for Islam to be in every house hold... Just want to see this whole new world order... though I know it will probably come with such a heavy price...
Anyhow thanks so much, if you know more stories... do share with me

 

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

^ There is already a small hole in their barrier:

Narrated Zainab bint Jahsh:

That one day Allah's Apostle entered upon her in a state of fear and said, "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah! Woe to the Arabs from the Great evil that has approached (them). Today a hole has been opened in the dam of Gog and Magog like this." The Prophet made a circle with his index finger and thumb. Zainab bint Jahsh added: I said, "O Alllah's Apostle! Shall we be destroyed though there will be righteous people among us?" The Prophet said, "Yes, if the (number) of evil (persons) increased."
​

Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 88 :: Hadith 249

One more:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "A hole has been opened in the dam of Gog and Magog." Wuhaib (the sub-narrator) made the number 90 (with his index finger and thumb).
​

Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 88 :: Hadith 250

 

[جوري]

forgive me for asking... but what does the hadith mean? that the righteous will be destoryed by these people? Also is it true, they will not cross this one mount in Egypt? tell me more of what you know of this... will they come about after Jesus PBUH descends? or before?