Islam a political target in Norway

[aamirsaab]

Right wingers can be right in some issues, and terribly wrong in others, same as pinko commieson the other side of the spectrum.

Indeed. I just don't want to be around when the fecal matter hits the fan. Right-wingers want muzzies dead (let's face it, they won't be satisfied until that happens) - can't kill me if I'm not there .

Its a win-win situation. You move to a place where you can live your life and deen more fully and UK doesnt have to worry about cohsion between the communities.

Actually, it's a win-lose situation as the UK would be missing out on my awesomeness. But, cest la vie!

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Indeed. I just don't want to be around when the fecal matter hits the fan. Right-wingers want muzzies dead (let's face it, they won't be satisfied until that happens) - can't kill me if I'm not there .

Actually, it's a win-lose situation as the UK would be missing out on my awesomeness. But, cest la vie!

hehe, well, I'm not british.

 

[burdenofbeing]

multiculturalism doesn't have to be bad. but it doesn't go well with standardization.

 

[Amadeus85]

While I agree that multiculturalism has been a failure to a large degree, there is no turning back on demographics now. The West invited this situation and now the only option is to continue the multi-cultural experiment. Using immigrants as scapegoats for economic downturns is nothing new, but the reality is that immigrants were invited to join the West. Complaining about the outcome is pointless at this point.

That's a wise said, but on the other hand, we shouldnt trust the marxist view that the history is a one way line leading to some kind of "progress" and it is unavoidable. Keltoi, nothing is unavoidable. We should reject the Hegel's spirit about a Spirit of Time that crushes all those who disagree and you must only join in. We have defeeated communism, nazism. History is a mystery.

 

[Keltoi]

That's a wise said, but on the other hand, we shouldnt trust the marxist view that the history is a one way line leading to some kind of "progress" and it is unavoidable. Keltoi, nothing is unavoidable. We should reject the Hegel's spirit about a Spirit of Time that crushes all those who disagree and you must only join in. We have defeeated communism, nazism. History is a mystery.

I agree that the mindset of Europeans and Americans may and probably will change, but the problem is the large number of immigrants that already live in these places. They aren't going to be kicked out or rounded up and disposed of...at least I hope not, so the only option is to deal with the reality of multi-culturalism as it stands now. Of course there are different ways to do that. I personally think the best option for everyone is integration, not isolated ethnic communities.

 

[memories]

if multiculturalism is such a failed ideologie then we should just colse the borders and say no to every demands by every different cultures?? thinking that is quite racist in my opinion, besides there are no races as proven today, there is only one human race. to say race when referring to humans is someting of the past.

 

[Muezzin]

Right wingers can be right in some issues, and terribly wrong in others, same as pinko commieson the other side of the spectrum.
Its a win-win situation. You move to a place where you can live your life and deen more fully and UK doesnt have to worry about cohsion between the communities.

Frankly, that's retarded.

Unless every British person whoever disagreed with/looked different from/earned more than another British person emigrates, community cohesion will always (and should always) be an issue. Turning entire groups of people away (or forcibly kicking them out) simply because they are perceived not to 'fit in' is tantamount to fascism. By your logic, I, who was born here and am not going anywhere at the moment thank you very much, would have to be deported simply for my beliefs. Er... No.

But hey, you personally are not in power, so there's nothing to worry about from your venting.

What is worrying are these increasingly far right-wing trends in Europe. As Keltoi has said, multicultarism isn't something that can just be thrown out because it's perceived not to work. The cat's out of the bag, the beans have been spilt, the horse has bolted etc etc.

On the other hand, it's not at all surprising that generally Muslims are being singled out. To reactionaries, we're like Jews and Commies mixed, comrade-gentile.

 

[Thinker]

While I agree that multiculturalism has been a failure to a large degree, there is no turning back on demographics now. The West invited this situation and now the only option is to continue the multi-cultural experiment.

The multicultural 'experiment' has created segragation, ghettos, mistrust and intollerance. You say it's been a failure but keep doing it - unusual strategy!!

 

[Muezzin]

The multicultural 'experiment' has created segragation, ghettos, mistrust and intollerance.

Because, clearly, none of these existed before the multicultural 'experiment'.

Seriously, did that make sense to you when you wrote it?

 

[Thinker]

Because, clearly, none of these existed before the multicultural 'experiment'.

Seriously, did that make sense to you when you wrote it?

It is generally agreed that multiculturalism has led to segregation, mistrust and intolerance and it generaly agreed that is a bad thing. Do you not agree that we fellow citizenz and neighbours should strive towards greater integration, tolerance, trust and understanding?

 

[Muezzin]

Are you saying we should strive towards greater segregation, mistrust and intolerance because the phenomina existed before?

Where did I suggest that? You said multiculturalism 'created' segregation, mistrust and intolerance. I called shenanigans.

Oh, you edited the post:

It is generally agreed that multiculturalism has led to segregation, mistrust and intolerance and it generaly agreed that is a bad thing

Generally agreed, where exactly? Among whom?

You act as if there is no opposing view. If we're going to start this ad populem stuff, it's 'generally agreed' that multiculturalism fosters tolerance and coexistence, and therefore mutliculturalism is a good thing, because I said so.

Do you not agree that we neighbours should strive towards greater integration, tolerance, trust and understanding?

Of course.

But that is incompatible with your seemingly anti-muliticultural leanings - you'd end up kicking your 'neighbours' out of the country.

 

[Thinker]

You act as if there is no opposing view.

There is always and opposing view on any topic.

If we're going to start this ad populem stuff, it's 'generally agreed' that multiculturalism fosters tolerance and coexistence, and therefore mutliculturalism is a good thing, because I said so.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1055221.ece

Trevor Phillips, the chairman of the Commission for Racial Equality, said that multiculturalism was out of date and no longer useful, not least because it encouraged “separateness” between communities.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-394631/Why-dogma-multiculturalism-failed-Britain.html

Multiculturalism has failed because people refuse to move out of the 'comfort zone' of their own community, academics have warned.

 

[Amadeus85]

What is worrying are these increasingly far right-wing trends in Europe.

You think that growing islamistic trends in muslim world are worrying?

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Frankly, that's retarded.

Unless every British person whoever disagreed with/looked different from/earned more than another British person emigrates, community cohesion will always (and should always) be an issue. Turning entire groups of people away (or forcibly kicking them out) simply because they are perceived not to 'fit in' is tantamount to fascism. By your logic, I, who was born here and am not going anywhere at the moment thank you very much, would have to be deported simply for my beliefs. Er... No.

But hey, you personally are not in power, so there's nothing to worry about from your venting.

What is worrying are these increasingly far right-wing trends in Europe. As Keltoi has said, multicultarism isn't something that can just be thrown out because it's perceived not to work. The cat's out of the bag, the beans have been spilt, the horse has bolted etc etc.

On the other hand, it's not at all surprising that generally Muslims are being singled out. To reactionaries, we're like Jews and Commies mixed, comrade-gentile.

Yes, you you could be the new Jews and to prevent the what happened 60 years ago, things should be done and multiculturalism isnt helping.
I didn't say anyone should nbe kicked out, rather new ones shouldn't be let in and the government should work to better integrate ones already here, discourage religion and radicalism, encourage voluntary emigration of non-integrated individuals, publically support scholars who say living in Norway/Britain is kufr etc.

 

[Joe98]

Islamophobia

Khalid Mahmood……..believes Muslims are being persecuted, and Islam confronted with hatred.

"Muslims are the Jews of our times, stigmatised, generalised and presented as a threat to society he says.

To take a quote from a different thread in this forum:

We are all brothers and sisters in humanity.

Athiests would like there to be a brotherhood between all.

….. i will not be a friend with a non believer

..there is no brotherhood between the believers and the disbelievers…..

To paraphrase: Muslims say there is no brotherhood between Muslims and Norwegians and so there is no islamophobia coming from Norwegians


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[Joe98]

And from another thread from this forum today:



[QUOTE='Abd-al Latif]

The Status of the Arabic Language in Islâm​

As for becoming accustomed to talking to one another in a language other than Arabic, [such as Norwegian]

Arabic, which is the symbol of Islâm and the language of the Qur‘ân, so that this [talking Norwegian] becomes a habit in the land, with one’s ………

undoubtedly this is makrooh (disliked), because it involves being like the non-Arabs, [ the Norwegians ] which is makrooh, as stated previously.

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From this I conclude the Muslims have Norwegianphobia

Peace ! eace:

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[north_malaysian]

Multiculturalism is a failed ideology.

not in my country... but the politicians are playing with the racial cards right now...

 

[Muezzin]

To take a quote from a different thread in this forum:













To paraphrase: Muslims say there is no brotherhood between Muslims and Norwegians and so there is no islamophobia coming from Norwegians


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Wha-?

One single Muslim on this forum, who may or may not be Norwegian, said 'there is no brotherhood...', and so that means all Muslims share his opinion, and therefore there is no Islamaphobia from Norwegians?

Is your logic usually this poor, or are you doing this for a bet?

You think that growing islamistic trends in muslim world are worrying?

I wouldn't say they're growing trends - they've always been there in pockets, and now they're being uncovered, rather than becoming popularised.

But, combined with far right tendencies elsewhere, that's a recipe for war.

 

[burdenofbeing]

^that sounds unnecessarily apologetic. people don't have to be brothers to tolerate each other and share a community. I'm sure not all authentic norwegians treat each other like brothers.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

not in my country... but the politicians are playing with the racial cards right now...

Most Europeans aren't that tolerant, which is a shame really.
I'm all for giving rights to minorities, however everything should be done so the minorities remain minorities and don't attain to much political power.