~ Islam Got It First ~

[جوري]

All great civilizations have made technological and scientific advances. However, it had more to do with individuals, not a society or a religion. If you want to praise people for their discoveries, praise the individual, not the collective they happened to be a part of.

I praise the religion that instead of letting its folks dwell in medieval darkness (Europe) --mandates that they should seek knowledge. And like I stated before, every Muslim scientist I know prefers to be called a Muslim, rather than Tunisian, or Egyptian, or Turkish, or whatever... Again, Islam is our identity, and such were the contributions that happened under the Muslim empire so it is Islamic heritage and achievement!
You are certainly free to single them out by name!

 

[Sinbad]

I have already replied to him, I have nothing further on the subject to impart, though you and he are free to express as clangorously as you like, your opinion..
by the way-- I don't know what "teached" means, perhaps therein lies the problem? you are not very well schooled as you should be, and hence it reflects in your opinions!

peace!

I might need an example. The ancient Greece.

The West glorifys it and makes it the father of all sciense. Pythagoras theorem is named after pythagoras, thats what school teaches right?

school is wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagorean_theorem#History
the indians and chinese had it before,

Does school lie? No, Pythagoras used that method, but it was under spin.

So once again, your islamic "studies" contradict facts. If you learned it from a school dosent change it one bit.

 

[جوري]

I might need an example. The ancient Greece.

The West glorifys it and makes it the father of all sciense. Pythagoras theorem is named after pythagoras, thats what school teaches right?

school is wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagorean_theorem#History
the indians and chinese had it before,

Does school lie? No, Pythagoras used that method, but it was under spin.

So once again, your islamic "studies" contradict facts. If you learned it from a school dosent change it one bit.

????? I don't understand what you are trying to say or how it relates to the topic...

Peace!

 

[Keltoi]

I might need an example. The ancient Greece.

The West glorifys it and makes it the father of all sciense. Pythagoras theorem is named after pythagoras, thats what school teaches right?

school is wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagorean_theorem#History
the indians and chinese had it before,

Does school lie? No, Pythagoras used that method, but it was under spin.

So once again, your islamic "studies" contradict facts. If you learned it from a school dosent change it one bit.

You must also keep in mind that is possible for two people to discover the same thing independent of any interaction.

 

[Sinbad]

????? I don't understand what you are trying to say or how it relates to the topic...

Peace!

Im going to go straight forward, learning something from school dosent make it true. All school says isnt true.

So you have studied islamic arts and history, dosent mean you have gotten all the right facts.

Im not saying school is all bull, im saying that you cant trust it to 100%

 

[جوري]

Im going to go straight forward, learning something from school dosent make it true. All school says isnt true.

So you have studied islamic arts and history, dosent mean you have gotten all the right facts.

Im not saying school is all bull, im saying that you cant trust it to 100%

Ok!

 

[Sinbad]

You must also keep in mind that is possible for two people to discover the same thing independent of any interaction.

Yes but the world was connected, extremly connected.

orn on the island of Samos (a Greek island in the Eastern Aegean), off the coast of Asia Minor. He was born to Pythais (his mother, a native of Samos) and Mnesarchus (his father, a Phoenician merchant from Tyre). As a young man, he left his native city for Croton, Calabria, in Southern Italy, to escape the tyrannical government of Polycrates. According to Iamblichus, Thales, impressed with his abilities, advised Pythagoras to head to Memphis in Egypt and study with the priests there who were renowned for their wisdom

physics, which resonate well with the ideas they attributed to Pythagoras. This attribution has stuck, down the centuries up to modern times. [4] The earliest known mention of Pythagoras's name in connection with the theorem occurred five centuries after his death, in the writings of Cicero and Plutarch. There are many ancient references to the facts stated in the Pythagorean theorem; Egyptian and Chinese tablets and writings show that they knew the theore

The Sassanid Persians asked china for help when they where overruned by Romans, arabs, Turks, and balûchs.

The arab had universities with chinese and europeans.

So the world was still a very connected place.

So once again, school shouldnt be teachin us biased spinned lies.

 

[Keltoi]

Yes but the world was connected, extremly connected.

orn on the island of Samos (a Greek island in the Eastern Aegean), off the coast of Asia Minor. He was born to Pythais (his mother, a native of Samos) and Mnesarchus (his father, a Phoenician merchant from Tyre). As a young man, he left his native city for Croton, Calabria, in Southern Italy, to escape the tyrannical government of Polycrates. According to Iamblichus, Thales, impressed with his abilities, advised Pythagoras to head to Memphis in Egypt and study with the priests there who were renowned for their wisdom

physics, which resonate well with the ideas they attributed to Pythagoras. This attribution has stuck, down the centuries up to modern times. [4] The earliest known mention of Pythagoras's name in connection with the theorem occurred five centuries after his death, in the writings of Cicero and Plutarch. There are many ancient references to the facts stated in the Pythagorean theorem; Egyptian and Chinese tablets and writings show that they knew the theore

The Sassanid Persians asked china for help when they where overruned by Romans, arabs, Turks, and balûchs.

The arab had universities with chinese and europeans.

So the world was still a very connected place.

So once again, school shouldnt be teachin us biased spinned lies.

I probably should have specified that I wasn't referring to the "Pythagorean theorem", but more about discoveries in general. I agree that schools tend to teach what they were taught, and many times what they are taught isn't necessarily unvarnished truth. However, in many cases discoveries aren't the sole property of one particular individual. The chronology of the camera is a good example. Just for the sake of an analogy, say an old man in China notices that when he throws a rock it doesn't float out into space..."Wow", he thinks, "There must be some force that makes things fall back to earth". He's a farmer, so he goes on with his life and doesn't think about it anymore. Then a European upstart sees an apple fall to earth and thinks "Wow, what an epiphany, there must be an invisible force that holds objects down, I think I will write a scientific theory about it." This European upstart becames famous for "discovering" the theory of gravity. Many times it has more to do with the position and the standing of a particular individual as to whether they are recognized. Published works or any mention of their discovery in a published work often makes the difference between who gets mentioned and who doesn't.

 

[thirdwatch512]

you want to know who invented to college system? the Catholic Church

you want to know who created the idea of hospitals? The Catholic Church

you want to know who invented the vehicle? a Christian
the computer? a Jew

internet - a Christian
tv - Chrsitian
radio - Christian
the oven? - Christian
washing machine? - Christian

etc. etc.

so just ebcause someone affiliates theirselves with one religion, that does not mean that it was because of that religion that made them be so successful. and i think that's the point that we (non muslims) are trying to get across.

 

[جوري]

ummmm No!
in fact one of the oldest universities in the world lies in Egypt , Al-Azhar is the world's oldest university! , and from it were the adaptation of such places as Harvard or yale.. Mesopotamia and eastern regions in general, were the birth place of civilization, Any history book will attest to the same-- I am going to disengage myself from this topic, because it is useless, save for the first poster-- but falsehood and rewriting of history is just simply not acceptable!

 

[barney]

Just to say on the debate.
Sure Algebra, Arabic Numerals and all the rest are not Islamic inventions.
They are inventions that were discovered whilst Islam was at it's height.So you could say that the rule of Islam allowed creativity at that time to flourish.

The T.V , computor and stuff are not christian invention's, theyre western inventions.

These are Christian Inventions: The Godpod
http://ship-of-fools.com/Gadgets/Devotional/145.html

 

[جوري]

interesting case of cause and effect... did the old lady break her bones because she fell? or were they already brittle on the account she suffered osteoporosis and the fall had nothing to do with it at all? Hmmmmmn
We'll just call it Islamic civilization in the sciences, Arts and architecture, because Islam mandated and encouraged learning!
.. you can call it what you want on your own free time!

peace!

 

[NoName55]

Just to say on the debate.
Sure Algebra, Arabic Numerals and all the rest are not Islamic inventions.
They are inventions that were discovered whilst Islam was at it's height.So you could say that the rule of Islam allowed creativity at that time to flourish.

The T.V , computor and stuff are not christian invention's, theyre western inventions.

These are Christian Inventions: The Godpod
http://ship-of-fools.com/Gadgets/Devotional/145.html

This is a Islamic Invention: The Burkcical
http://sugiero.blogspot.com/2007/05/iran-to-manufacture-islamic-bicycle.html

ah! yet more links to "pro Islam sites"

its getting "better and better"

 

[barney]

Not too much pro-islam about it. More a anti-everything rant site.

Anyway, the Burkcicle is a really ingenious invention. The designer said it would prevent the veiwing of provocative movement caused by the action of cycling.

So all-round a winner! Women can cycle away in complete modesty!

 

[Philosopher]

Unce again why islamic? Those buildings have sassanid architecture. Bagdad was a persian city.

How do you know Algebra was a muslim? Al razi the creator of modern medecin openly critizesed Islam.

No, Al Razi studied under prominent Muslim scholars (ex. Tabari), and all biographies about him claim he was Muslim.

Here is more about him:
http://www.islamicmedicine.org/alrazi3.htm

 

[جوري]

ah! yet more links to "pro Islam sites"

its getting "better and better"

it is really just a case of the simpleton kaffir, who fancies himself a cognoscente .. when it comes to a Muslim the only thing synonymous with you is a terrorist, even if you come from Zimbabwe, or Waikiki, but not a Muslim and a scientist in the same sentence.. Never... I just let them be now and disengage myself from getting into circuitous humbug.

 

[Sinbad]

No, Al Razi studied under prominent Muslim scholars (ex. Tabari), and all biographies about him claim he was Muslim.

Here is more about him:
http://www.islamicmedicine.org/alrazi3.htm

I will not even go into that site, "islamicmedecine", what does medecine got to do with a religion? nothing.

And no he was not a muslim, and Galileo was not a christian. If you said otherwise to frankly you would get beheaded.

 

[NoName55]

Is that you playing with fire again repeating same old mantra over and over? Br. Fi already told you about Al Razi

Insulting Muslims is a hobby?

 

[Sinbad]

Is that you playing with fire again repeating same old mantra over and over? Br. Fi already told you about Al Razi

Insulting Muslims is a hobby?

I do not insult muslims, How can you just mix religion with sciense? Was the gun powder a taoistic invension? was the television a christian invention? It has nothing to do with the one and other.

http://www.themodernword.com/contests/003_razi.html

The Lost Documents of Abu Bakr Al-Razi, “The Atheist”

I do not say that islam is the root of all evil, all I am saying is STOP CALLNG IT MUSLIM OR ISLAMIC! It has nothing to do with that!

 

[Amadeus85]

I praise the religion that instead of letting its folks dwell in medieval darkness (Europe) --mandates that they should seek knowledge.

But since early medieval some time passed dont you think? And those european barbarians improved themselves very much and they created the fundaments of the modern world.
For example, everything that you use now (computer, mp3 player, car, toothpaste, cd, tv, radio, camera,internet etc etc..) was invented by the western people. In the last 500 years muslim scients just didnt exist.