~ Islam Got It First ~

[جوري]

Librarys are dangerous, they are from before the internet. They are full of lies, in an old library you can find books about aryans being superior, or why black people are dumb et c.

I like PBS, but you can not take a documentary as facts, its all biased.
Watch, "the root of all evil", its richard dawkins showing people the evil truth of religion.

And please, you can not take evereything you read or see as facts, you have to be critical.

lol.. indeed!
there is the recorded history which is preserved in books and libraries and there is re-recorded/re-written history with people' spins on it, be they psychological and political for whatever gains.. I think it is up to the individual to make that choice..
what that said, I really have nothing further on this subject matter to impart
have a nice day!
peace!

 

[Sinbad]

lol.. indeed!
there is the recorded history which is preserved in books and libraries and there is re-recorded/re-written history with people' spins on it, be they psychological and political for whatever gains.. I think it is up to the individual to make that choice..
what that said, I really have nothing further on this subject matter to impart
have a nice day!
peace!

you have said that since the first page and still you keep coming, back

 

[جوري]

you have said that since the first page and still you keep coming, back

yes-- You keep cluttering my mailbox, every time I am about to sign off, ( I get mail).. I am going to unsubscribe now anyhow from this thread... I know how you enjoy having the last word.. Is that a persian thing?

peace!

 

[NoName55]

still you keep coming, back

probably in th vain hope to see you off, (as soon as some chief/boss realises the difference between people coming here to learn/exchange views and coming here to teach and"conquer" Muslims to finish off Islaam. (those Iranian moolas must have done some real bad to you to turn you into this lying machine)

 

[3isha]

No India got it first, tere is an iron pillar in India that has pi and all those maths that came later on. India is the oldest.

And once again islam destroyed more sciense that was created during islamic times.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria

The library of Alexandria was a great center of sciense, many islamic invension like the water clock survived the islamic invasion and became islamic invensions.

('m an indian)
and i was told that pi was a greek letter,
but ibn sina (avecina) and ibn rushd were great scientists (again islam)

 

[Sinbad]

Is that a persian thing?peace!

RACIST! Gong to report that!

 

[Amadeus85]

That is thrue, the media is anti islamic, I have to agree on that. You cant belive evereything you are told.

I belive islam is evil, but not muslims. only the ones following islam 100%, and kill infidels et c.

Dude you are so gonna be banned.

A faith cant be evil. I know personally many muslims who are great and loving people.
Faith cant be evil, only the followers do evil sometimes. The same christians and Jews and hindus etc.

 

[barney]

I suppose it's linked strongly with the topic and the debate.

The libary of Alexandria.

Which muslims beleive that the caliphs actions were justified or does anyone think he overeacted.

Personally, I think that destroying thousands of years of records was a crime against humanity.

 

[جوري]

umm which destruction was that?
Caesar's conquest 48 BC?
The attack of Aurelian in the 3rd century?
The decree of Theophilus in 391?
or the alleged destruction of the Muslim conquest in 642 or thereafter.?
Even questionable sources tell of a different tale from you.. I think people who mislead others are the true criminals against humanity...

 

[barney]

I was refering to the last destruction, the one that shut it down permenantly destroying the books and scrolls, not the pagen idols.

Regardless of that, was it a justified decision?

I would say that the previous damage done was also a crime. I have no problem with a religion smashing up pagan texts and statues as such, but why trash everything else.

I know that if It had been me "A really badly guided caliph", i'd have destroyed stuff that contradicted the quran and kept stuff that diddnt.
(It would have taken ages)

 

[Sinbad]

umm which destruction was that?
Caesar's conquest 48 BC?
The attack of Aurelian in the 3rd century?
The decree of Theophilus in 391?
or the alleged destruction of the Muslim conquest in 642 or thereafter.?
Even questionable sources tell of a different tale from you.. I think people who mislead others are the true criminals against humanity...

Others have done wrong, but that dosent justify what islam did to sciense.

 

[جوري]

Muslim conquest in 642
The tale of the Muslim destruction of the Library comes from several Alexandrian historians, writing several hundred years later. The legend has it that the caliph Umar posed to commander Amr bin al 'Ass the following dilemma: "Touching the books you mention, if what is written in them agrees with the Book of God, they are not required; if it disagrees, they are not desired. Destroy them therefore." [14] The tale goes on to say that the books fueled the city's bath-houses for the next six months. Since the 18th century, this story has been universally regarded as a fiction. Normally it has been put down to Christian crusader propaganda, but recently some historians, including Bernard Lewis, have argued that although the tale is certainly false, its true origin may be more complex.[15][16]

enough said.. unless we want to re-invent history?
Sinbad..pls enroll in some night classes, it might do you some good!

 

[Sinbad]

enough said.. unless we want to re-invent history?
Sinbad..pls enroll in some night classes, it might do you some good!

School is for poor people. I rather spend my time making money instead.

A thing that would be good for you is to read from diffrent perspectives, and dont just listen to one side. Be more critical to what you read.

 

[barney]

Wikipedia is truly marvelous!

But I wonder why we should stop there...
its true origin may be more complex.......
Although the actual circumstances and timing of the physical destruction of the Library remains uncertain, it is however clear that by the 8th century, the Library was no longer a significant institution and had ceased to function in any important capacity. Alexandria was not a major research center for the Islamic world.

Rather than wiki' your way to knowlage, I would suggest readers who can be fussed enough read this balanced article & debate.

http://elyclarifies.blogspot.com/2006/01/burning-alexandria-library.html

 

[جوري]

marvelous when you use it ey? as I stated above--

Even questionable sources tell of a different tale from you.. I think people who mislead others are the true criminals

Do you have a point bubbah or you are into wasting my time with yous so-called "fair and balanced blogs". If you weren't there, and can't verify it from a respectful history book, What is there to talk about in a blog? do you want to re-invent other than the documented history? what a joker!

 

[NoName55]

I just dont get it, I really dont get the Idea of these legions of MODs old and new but none is willing to MODerate these trolls. Are they waiting for a khalifah? like those moolas in Pakistan who refuse to serve in Armed Forces till a Caliph comes and tells them to.

 

[جوري]

I just dont get it, I really dont get the Idea of these legions of MODs old and new but none is willing to MODerate these trolls. Are they waiting for a khalifah? like those moolas in Pakistan who refuse to serve in Armed Forces till a Caliph comes and tells them to.

The man has a "fair and balanced" blog you know the motto for Fox news lol, how can you not be amused that such mentalities live and thrive in our midst.. and pass this sort of "intellectualization" to their off spring-- and I do really mean it, in its meant light as a defense mechanism!

 

[barney]

I'm sorry Purest. Your right. I wasnt there.

I bow to someone like yourself with personal experience of the event.

The blog, if you read it, debates Lewis's work that forms the basis for the wiki entry. it's actually swaying to pro-islam.

I suppose you see a agnostic posting something and just kick out blindly assuming that it's dissing your religion.:rollseyes

 

[Sinbad]

wiki is pro islam of course, 1/4 of all people are muslims, they dont want to lose visitors.

 

[جوري]

No just you!.. I know many delightful agnostics and theists even on the board (snakelegs) being one, and there are many others, who might not be remotely interested in Islam, yet are here for the obvious reason of learning and fostering some understanding, not quoting from various hate blogs, the above isn't the only one.. I have opened quite a few of your ready sources on various sections of this forum.
And no I wasn't there, but rather than loan credence to nonsense, you know the same way you are willing to dismiss half of what we write as conspiracy theories, even if it has strong scientific basis, I myself am not willing to give in to a side track from what is actually reported in history books... Perhaps sinbad is correct-- you can't trust academia? let's burn all books and read subjective opinions from the Internet, as facts!

peace!