Islam Is Here, Islam Is Peace

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Isambard said:
Democracies have accountability. You do something you're not suppose to, you'll have a fure under you're @$$.

In a theocracy, how can anyone argue with God's (or insert deity of choice)'s ruler?.

For kicks, please show me a fair and equal theocracy that compares with some of the democracies of today.
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show me a fair democracy first.
 
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It is always possible for a democracy to turn into a form theocracy but not the other way round.
 
tarek29 said:
Didnt you hear about democracy that Amercians brought to Iraq !?

Peace :)
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Great majority of succesfull, independent and strong countries with freedom and tolerance are democratic. Great majority of poor, suffering and corrupted countries without freedom and tolerance are not democratic (authoritaric, totalitarian,theocratic ).
 
wilberhum said:
Since it works on the concept that it is perfect,
It becomes the most imperfect. :hiding:
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this is a valid point. the problem with any system of governance is that it is interpreted and executed by imperfect (real) human beings. i think a non-theocratic system would be more aware of this aspect and therefore more open to question.
when rulers are ruling in the name of god, it can easily be regarded as blasphemous to question the way they are governing, how they are applying the laws.
 
wilberhum said:
A theocracy also keeps independent thinking controlled. :hmm:

Since it works on the concept that it is perfect,
It becomes the most imperfect. :hiding:
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It works on the concept that it is perfect working on the imperfect.

However, Man is created weak... therefore, it is already incorrect to say that Man is imperfect... but perhaps Man being weak and limited is perfect in itself per se.

Therefore, doesn't it make more sense if something Divine and Perfect would be adopted by the imperfect? since it is also Imperfect then it wouldn't really hurt the imperfect doesn't it?
 
believer said:
It works on the concept that it is perfect working on the imperfect.

However, Man is created weak... therefore, it is already incorrect to say that Man is imperfect... but perhaps Man being weak and limited is perfect in itself per se.

Therefore, doesn't it make more sense if something Divine and Perfect would be adopted by the imperfect? since it is also Imperfect then it wouldn't really hurt the imperfect doesn't it?
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Huh?
 
believer said:
It works on the concept that it is perfect working on the imperfect.

However, Man is created weak... therefore, it is already incorrect to say that Man is imperfect... but perhaps Man being weak and limited is perfect in itself per se.

Therefore, doesn't it make more sense if something Divine and Perfect would be adopted by the imperfect? since it is also Imperfect then it wouldn't really hurt the imperfect doesn't it?
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Dude.....I think my brain is bleeding...:offended:

Mind saying that agin?:hiding:
 
believer said:
It works on the concept that it is perfect working on the imperfect.

However, Man is created weak... therefore, it is already incorrect to say that Man is imperfect... but perhaps Man being weak and limited is perfect in itself per se.

Therefore, doesn't it make more sense if something Divine and Perfect would be adopted by the imperfect? since it is also Imperfect then it wouldn't really hurt the imperfect doesn't it?
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That sure seems like a long winded way to say "A theocracy isn't perfect". :rolleyes:
 
Isambard said:
What about the Scandinavian democracies?

Or some of the Asianic ones?
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Right now Muslims are the scapegoat for everything in the world. Everyone wants to take stab at them. Canada was polled to be the best and most hospitable country to the Muslims (US being one of the worsts). Democracy is nothing but a joke until every single race or religion can live in it freely and with equal protection and opportunities, not just lip service or democracy on paper like most countries are.
 
islamirama said:
Right now Muslims are the scapegoat for everything in the world. Everyone wants to take stab at them. Canada was polled to be the best and most hospitable country to the Muslims (US being one of the worsts). Democracy is nothing but a joke until every single race or religion can live in it freely and with equal protection and opportunities, not just lip service or democracy on paper like most countries are.
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Just because some folks dont like muslims, its still a democracy until their are laws actively preventing Islam.
 
islamirama said:
Right now Muslims are the scapegoat for everything in the world. Everyone wants to take stab at them. Canada was polled to be the best and most hospitable country to the Muslims (US being one of the worsts). Democracy is nothing but a joke until every single race or religion can live in it freely and with equal protection and opportunities, not just lip service or democracy on paper like most countries are.
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Where is there a government that you don't think is a joke? :hiding:

I would guess that you concider all governments a joke.
 
wilberhum said:
Where is there a government that you don't think is a joke? :hiding:

I would guess that you concider all governments a joke.
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Alot of humans, believe alot of governments (if not all) are a joke - without religious standing for this belief.
 
Md Mashud said:
Alot of humans, believe alot of governments (if not all) are a joke - without religious standing for this belief.
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That would be libertarians and ararchists. I wouldnt put alot of stock into what they say seeing how they rely on the myth of the economic man.

That said, think carefully, how many ppl want to live under another religion's theocracy? How many perfer to live in a state where even if they are a minority, their negative rights are protected along with everyone elses?
 
snakelegs said:
when rulers are ruling in the name of god, it can easily be regarded as blasphemous to question the way they are governing, how they are applying the laws.
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That is not even true in terms of Islamic law, as far as I know. The laws be believe are perfect yes, but in no way do we consider the people executing them to be somehow representing God and therefore infallible.

Islamic law works on consultation, that is the basic of it. The whole point is that there is discussion and debate before decisions are made.
 
Isambard said:
That would be libertarians and ararchists. I wouldnt put alot of stock into what they say seeing how they rely on the myth of the economic man.

That said, think carefully, how many ppl want to live under another religion's theocracy? How many perfer to live in a state where even if they are a minority, their negative rights are protected along with everyone elses?
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How many people understand religious theocracy? Todays democracy is derived from ancient religious theocracy anyway, but they only picked out stuff they like now:).
 
Md Mashud said:
How many people understand religious theocracy? Todays democracy is derived from ancient religious theocracy anyway, but they only picked out stuff they like now:).
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People understand theocracies just fine. Its exactly we DONT want them. I would have less rights under any theocracy just as you would under a non-Islamic one.

And Im curious which religion you believe liberal democracy originated from.

You also didnt answer my question, how happy would you be to live under a non-Islamic theocracy as opposed to a secular democracy?
 
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