Islam Is Here, Islam Is Peace

[tarek29]

Of course not, aside from the Qur'an, how many "great works" are written in Arabic? Or even old Arabic?

How come the Qur'an is vastly inferior when translated?

Exactly

First of all there is no new Arabic and old Arabic!

Second you wrote:

Other religions have their holy texts as well. Guess what, they also have "incredibly advanced concepts and grasps of science!" *gasp!* Muhammed is just the 'Philosopher King' that Plto describes. Hell, the state he formed is incredibly similar to Kallipolis.

First of all it is article of faith for Muslims to believe in Gospel (teachings of Jesus(pbuh) and Torah of Moses (pbuh) and Quran actually dont differ with them, because they are from same GOD!

But Islam gives LAWS and way of life covering all aspects of life that you cannot find in any other religion!

And the interesting thing that I give you from Quran things like LAWS to follow in all our aspects of life then you tell me Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) is Philosopher!

By the way there is a lot of scientific errors in the bible proven not by theories but by Scientific Facts because it were played with Human hands!

Quran where send in a way that no one can Bring or invent ONE VERSE LIKE IT, and Pagan Arabs were very strong in poem by the way, and it is well recorded that a lot of Pagan Arabs reverted to Islam just by hearing the Quran!

till today they couldn’t produce one verse like it and this would be very easy for Pagan Arabs to do to expose Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) then fighting Muslims!

So about what other good Arab books you talk !?

Peace

 

[tarek29]

Originally Posted by tarek29
For example you you say women in your countries free while your system FAILED to protect women and give her freedom except freedom of Cloths:

FBI report that you can read link below says about 100 000 women RAPED and ABUSED per year in AMERICA alone please enter this link and be sure of what I say:

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_02/html/...blerape04.html

Is this is Freedom!?

Now compare that to the crimes that go unreported in the Middle_east. Whats that you say? Despite the enourmous number of unreported crmes, the Middle-east still has a high crime rate?!

Nice Strawman

Un reported crimes against women is in all world, but we don’t have numbers of rape, do you know why?
because if you read carefully what I wrote to you I told you we don’t have such numbers of Drunk men and women and after that I told you we have Islamic system or way of life the prevents such thing, beginning of Honor, not leaving women in streets and bars(no bars) and discothèques, Muslim men fear ALLAH (swt), women don’t walk in streets like chicks, they live with parents or when they get married with their Husbands etc….
And the most important such crimes is punished by death penalty while you don’t have such punishment to those sick animals, and at same time you talk about how you care about women!
And the intresting in what you say: Un reported, see I gave you PROOF from the mouth of FBI, and what you give me!?
When you have PROOF to what you say please provide it, other wise what you cannot PROOF means nothing and you should agree with me on that!

When I think about it and watch someone who talks about women in west talks about freedom of women, I am amazed from people who say such thing!

You are right. Women are naturally weak both physically and mentally. Its why men HAVE to protect them right? O wait, you claimed Isam and Shariah are promoting equality of the sexes.

Seperate but equal eh? Well it was totally fair when While used that philosophy on blacks so it must be totally fair to use agaisnt women

The Quran and Islam is in front of you PROOF what you say, and I will be glade to explain to you what you will not understand!

This system of Freedom made Women very cheap, this system of freedom allows crimes to grow, China is about 1500 Million, America (freedom) are 300 Million, people in Prison in America more then in China if not two times as far as I remember this statistics!

I doubt your stats...thou even if tru, count the number of recoreded and non-recorded executions in China vs the US.

I were talking about Prisons!

 

[Isambard]

We seem to be going in circles.

Instead of going into more pgs of back and forth (and giving the mods the hard task of digging thry all that writing )

How bout you just answer me this.

Under a Calliphite state, how would it solve these three problems.
1. Business cycles
2.Tradgey of the Commons scernerios
3. Attracting FDI, and maintaing them within acceptable lvs so the country doesnt get taken over via outside financial forces.

 

[Md Mashud]

We seem to be going in circles.

Instead of going into more pgs of back and forth (and giving the mods the hard task of digging thry all that writing )

How bout you just answer me this.

Under a Calliphite state, how would it solve these three problems.
1. Business cycles
2.Tradgey of the Commons scernerios
3. Attracting FDI, and maintaing them within acceptable lvs so the country doesnt get taken over via outside financial forces.

This is more of a complex thing to understand than it seems at first. As you know, the current system, the banking system, it works via security, not by tangible wealth (money really does come from nothing!). It is quite a flawed system if you look into the economics of the system vs the welfare of the World. The whole financial system in Islam is very very against this banking system - and is on the working on tangible currencies, and on the basis that currency cannot be traded for the same currency.

 

[tarek29]

Ok so now look at India. Wasn't India occupied for hundred of years (by muslims and British)?And it is a democracy now and very succesfull.And China? Wasnt China occupied for so many years? But somehow they are going forward,the country is in progress. My own country (Poland) was in XVIII and XIX century for 123 years of occupation and in XX century for 50 years of occupation, but now we are really doing well. We dont blame anyone but work hard to achieve prosperity.So please, dont blame everything at invasions.

And still China and India have a lot of poor people, and they have a lot of social problems and especialy women in India, and when Islam where in India there were civilization!

And Poland like all west have a lot of social problems that only Islam have solution to it!

When I said Invasion this were one of reasons that I gave, if you read my other posts you will find that I wrote also that Muslims were away from ISLAM and now there is revolution on the level of Islamic nations and this will change!

And dont forget that Islam is faught everywhere, also there is countries in Asia were there is Muslims and they are going very well Indonesia for example were biggest Islamic popultaion!

Also India and China they have different situation then most Muslim countries and that west from a long time separated Muslim countries, if you return little to History you will find that there were nothing called Saudi Arabia, or country by name of Egypt, sudan etc....

didnt you hear about English saying that says: Devide and conquer!?

And this still happening today, beside Israel that were planted in middle east!

And again I remind you that we dont have Islamic rulers till today!

What evil you mean? Democracy? Democracy is evil? And thats why thousands of muslims evry year run from muslim countries to democratic West?

Thousand of Muslims in poor countries same like thousands from African countires try to go to Europe to find work, while your western governments stealing their countries fortunes OIL, GAS, Diamonds, Gold etc...

Untill you stop blaming everything on OTHERS, muslim countries will be in such poor condition always.Its time to stop crying.Its time to behave like adult people and take responsibility for your actions.

Sorry where did I blame anyone for anything!?

I am saying Facts why Muslims are weak, and why Democracy doesnt solve human problems and why major Evil in the world came and still come from non Muslim communities!

Peace

 

[tarek29]

We seem to be going in circles.

Instead of going into more pgs of back and forth (and giving the mods the hard task of digging thry all that writing )

How bout you just answer me this.

Under a Calliphite state, how would it solve these three problems.
1. Business cycles
2.Tradgey of the Commons scernerios
3. Attracting FDI, and maintaing them within acceptable lvs so the country doesnt get taken over via outside financial forces.

Intresting question but with all my Education I cannot answer you, as you need economist who Knows Islamic Sharia!

While we have the guide lines made by Iliterate man in the desert whom they called the honest more then 1400 ago!

May Allah (swt) guide us all!

Peace

 

[snakelegs]

That is not even true in terms of Islamic law, as far as I know. The laws be believe are perfect yes, but in no way do we consider the people executing them to be somehow representing God and therefore infallible.

Islamic law works on consultation, that is the basic of it. The whole point is that there is discussion and debate before decisions are made.

i realize that islam does not consider any one to be infallible. i think it would work in a society that was all muslim and a society in which the people were educated in islam as well as in secular knowlege.
but in a society where many are illiterate, it is all too easy in a theocracy, for those who govern to convince the people that they are governing according to god's will and the people are not to ask any questions because to do so, would question god. in theory, in a non-theocratic system, everything is open to question and challenge.
also, an important point was made earlier by muezzin, (if i remember right).
a democracy could evolve into a theocracy, but a theocracy could never evolve in to a democracy - or in to any other form of government, for that matter.
of course, i am stronly biased against any form of theocracy. :statisfie

 

[Malaikah]

Snakelegs, you are assuming that a the rulers of the theocracy must be inherently evil, which I feel is a terrible assumption to make.

Isambard, you speak with the confidence of a man who has studied the law for many years, I ask you what knowledge do you have of Islamic Law to begin with?

Many people fail to recognise how complex Islam and it's law is, which is why they make such ignorant statements about it.

 

[snakelegs]

malaikah,
no i do not assume that at all. i just assume that as human beings, they are as you said, not infallible.

 

[Malaikah]

That is the impression I am getting though, and that I always seem to get from people who use this argument.

You can have corrupt rulers in under theocracy and democracy.

but in a society where many are illiterate, it is all too easy in a theocracy, for those who govern to convince the people that they are governing according to god's will and the people are not to ask any questions because to do so, would question god. in theory, in a non-theocratic system, everything is open to question and challenge.

If they are as ignorant as you make it sound, then even non-theocracies can be as deceptive as the example you gave, with out the play on God.

 

[snakelegs]

That is the impression I am getting though, and that I always seem to get from people who use this argument.

You can have corrupt rulers in under theocracy and democracy.

If they are as ignorant as you make it sounds, then even non-theocracies can be as deceptive the example you gave, with out the play on God.

i'm sorry that you are getting that impression. i do not see rulers in a theocratic system being more inherently evil, deceptive or corrupt than rulers in a non-theocratic society. (i live in Bushland, afterall)
with the rest of what you have written above, i agree completely. my only point was that i think in a non-theocratic system it is more acceptable to question and challenge the rulers. i brought this up merely as an inherent danger.
for a democracy (and i don't know of any) to work, the citizens need to be educated and informed too, but since it is the rule of men it is open to criticism and rebellion in a way that i do not think a theocracy could be.
i don't think we are that far apart.

 

[Isambard]

Snakelegs, you are assuming that a the rulers of the theocracy must be inherently evil, which I feel is a terrible assumption to make.

Isambard, you speak with the confidence of a man who has studied the law for many years, I ask you what knowledge do you have of Islamic Law to begin with?

Many people fail to recognise how complex Islam and it's law is, which is why they make such ignorant statements about it.

Ive studied Politics and economy for some yrs now and I have yet to see a Shariah based model of state that has a hope of surviving or morphing into something else.

 

[Malaikah]

Have you studied it from an Islamic perspective though?

 

[Amadeus85]

And still China and India have a lot of poor people, and they have a lot of social problems and especialy women in India, and when Islam where in India there were civilization!

Find me a country in world where are no poor people then.In facr , one of the reason why so many muslims leave muslim countries and go to West is that here they have chance to have a good life and the social problems are not so big (vide Sweden,England). Well well, India has one of the oldest civilization in the world(along with egyptian and babilonian). Indian civilization existed two thousands years before Muhammad was born.

And Poland like all west have a lot of social problems that only Islam have solution to it!

First you should look at the social problems that muslim countries have before trying to solve problems of Europe .

When I said Invasion this were one of reasons that I gave, if you read my other posts you will find that I wrote also that Muslims were away from ISLAM and now there is revolution on the level of Islamic nations and this will change!

Revolution? I think that in many muslim countries, people (especially young and women) are getting more and more modern, they study, work, not only born children like their mothers and grandmothers.This is revolution.

And dont forget that Islam is faught everywhere, also there is countries in Asia were there is Muslims and they are going very well Indonesia for example were biggest Islamic popultaion!

I know that there are prosperous muslim countries. For example Malaysia, or Turkey. I agree with that.

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lso India and China they have different situation then most Muslim countries and that west from a long time separated Muslim countries, if you return little to History you will find that there were nothing called Saudi Arabia, or country by name of Egypt, sudan etc....

I think personally that the unity of muslim world is a myth.Look at the differences bewteen Persians and Arabs in Middle East, not to mention between Afghans and for example Malay muslims (in culture,tradition and also viewwing religion)

Thousand of Muslims in poor countries same like thousands from African countires try to go to Europe to find work, while your western governments stealing their countries fortunes OIL, GAS, Diamonds, Gold etc...

It sounds like typical anti capitalist and anti globalist talking. The thing is that without western technology muslims wouldnt be able to dig the oil or gas from the earth so they must invite those companies in.But of course im, not specialist in gas and oil industry :statisfie

Sorry where did I blame anyone for anything!?

Here -

why major Evil in the world came and still come from non Muslim communities!

 

[tarek29]

Find me a country in world where are no poor people then.In facr , one of the reason why so many muslims leave muslim countries and go to West is that here they have chance to have a good life and the social problems are not so big (vide Sweden,England). Well well, India has one of the oldest civilization in the world(along with egyptian and babilonian). Indian civilization existed two thousands years before Muhammad was born.

I think there is dofference between social Problems and economic problems, those Muslims you talk about go to Europe becuase it is close to them and only to find work to live and this have nothing to do with social problems, actualy they meet Racists like SKIN head killing them in streets in so CIVILZED Europe!

And while those Poor Muslims go to Europe to work in it, this same Europe with America steal fortunes of their countries for more then TWO hundred years and till today!

And the mnost important those Muslims dont come from countries that follow Islam!

India also Had great civilization during Islam so this doesnt say anything!

First you should look at the social problems that muslim countries have before trying to solve problems of Europe .

When there is Muslim country inform me please!

and the intresting that those so called Muslim countries have less problems in Crimes, Rape, women abuse, children abuse and rape, Incest, suicide, drunking people, etc......

And this becuase Nations of those countiries and following Islam in those countires that you called them Muslim countries (by mistake and not knowing)!

Revolution? I think that in many muslim countries, people (especially young and women) are getting more and more modern, they study, work, not only born children like their mothers and grandmothers.This is revolution.

Exsactly they study and work and Understand more ISLAM and become more strong in Faith and born children too, come and see mosques now In Egypt for example five times a day!

See there is new generations of Muslims well Educated and equiped with knowledge and faith, and they are not those who you see on Anti Islamic Channels!

I know that there are prosperous muslim countries. For example Malaysia, or Turkey. I agree with that.

But you dont know that our fortunes are stollen, and were ever they find a way to DIVIDE any Arabic country they do, they even try to do it with Saudia Arabia and Egypt, but they succeded in Sudan (Darfur,South and North, west), and Iraq, Lebanon!

Divide and conquer, remember !?

I think personally that the unity of muslim world is a myth.Look at the differences bewteen Persians and Arabs in Middle East, not to mention between Afghans and for example Malay muslims (in culture,tradition and also viewwing religion)

Yesterday the teach us this is Egyptian this is from Gulf this is from Maroc and they tried to make hate between us, now we Know that we ALL are MUSLIMS and ISLAM is not only our religion but country, and life in one word everything!

Remember when I said revolution on the level of the Muslim Nation!? and we pray for our governments to understand that only by being together they will succeed and we also!

It sounds like typical anti capitalist and anti globalist talking. The thing is that without western technology muslims wouldnt be able to dig the oil or gas from the earth so they must invite those companies in.But of course im, not specialist in gas and oil industry :statisfie

NOOOOO please dont say about me names that I have nothing to do with, I am Muslim, and ISLAM make BALANCE in EVERYTHING, in ISLAM everybody is happy the Rich and the Poor!

If you are Arab scientist and invented anything important see how they will treat you, and your life will be in danger from your free goverments, I know personaly example to what I say!

But for everything there is time!

May Allah (swt) guide us all!

Peace

 

[Isambard]

Have you studied it from an Islamic perspective though?

Im not sure what you mean by "Islamic perspective" as economics doesnt take religion into account, merely structural elements and feasability, which an Islamic state as imagined would lack.

 

[Amadeus85]

I think there is dofference between social Problems and economic problems, those Muslims you talk about go to Europe becuase it is close to them and only to find work to live and this have nothing to do with social problems, actualy they meet Racists like SKIN head killing them in streets in so CIVILZED Europe!

I think that muslims come to Europe or USA or Australia because they can have simply better chances to have prosperous life.Education, health care,salary,safety,in Western Europe all those things are on much higher level than in muslim countries (and also better than in my own country so chill out ).i think that all those things about european racism are much overreacted.In last years, since 9/11, i heard personally about one tragic event in Belgium, where a racist killed two women from Africa.He was mentally ill i think.Anyway, in Europe muslims live in seperated ghettos and they rather stick together and dont mix with non muslims(vide Germany,Sweden or Holland).

And while those Poor Muslims go to Europe to work in it, this same Europe with America steal fortunes of their countries for more then TWO hundred years and till today!

You are talking about oil?Arabs get zillions of dollars for their oil so no one steals it from them.

And the mnost important those Muslims dont come from countries that follow Islam!

This is interesting. So was there in world any country that followed islam?Ever? Any?

India also Had great civilization during Islam so this doesnt say anything!

India had great civilization before, during and after islam.

When there is Muslim country inform me please! [/QUOTE/]

This is the big question.I just can say that i wish muslims , who want it, a true muslim states.

and the intresting that those so called Muslim countries have less problems in Crimes, Rape, women abuse, children abuse and rape, Incest, suicide, drunking people, etc......

Or maybe in muslim countries you dont have thousands of non goverment organizations and free media who look for such things and inform about them? Didnt you think about it? When my country was under communist rule, we also didnt hear about rapes,corruption,murders or sucides.Simply because no one informed us about it.

Exsactly they study and work and Understand more ISLAM and become more strong in Faith and born children too, come and see mosques now In Egypt for example five times a day!

And very good.I am supporter of tradition and religion in world.

See there is new generations of Muslims well Educated and equiped with knowledge and faith, and they are not those who you see on Anti Islamic Channels!

I hope that you are right.

But you dont know that our fortunes are stollen, and were ever they find a way to DIVIDE any Arabic country they do, they even try to do it with Saudia Arabia and Egypt, but they succeded in Sudan (Darfur,South and North, west), and Iraq, Lebanon!

About Sudan.The only reason why this country is going to be divided is criminal politicy of its goverment.And you know it well.
And the reso of your post, about what fortunes you are telling?

Yesterday the teach us this is Egyptian this is from Gulf this is from Maroc and they tried to make hate between us, now we Know that we ALL are MUSLIMS and ISLAM is not only our religion but country, and life in one word everything!

Ok ok but you showed us an ideal state of muslim Ummah.But life is ussually far from being ideal bro.

Remember when I said revolution on the level of the Muslim Nation!? and we pray for our governments to understand that only by being together they will succeed and we also!

Believe me or not, but i support muslims' efforts to establish true islamic states.If this is possible of course in nowadays world.

NOOOOO please dont say about me names that I have nothing to do with, I am Muslim, and ISLAM make BALANCE in EVERYTHING, in ISLAM everybody is happy the Rich and the Poor!

Didnt mean to offend you.

 

[Sky_flower]

Actually, democracy keeps ppl with dumb opinions from being killed by more powerful groups.

Perhaps its just me, but I like not being set ablaze because a dominant religious/political groups doesnt like me.

trust me its not just you. Democracy gives people a choice.

 

[Sky_flower]

I think that muslims come to Europe or USA or Australia because they can have simply better chances to have prosperous life.Education, health care,salary,safety,in Western Europe all those things are on much higher level than in muslim countries (and also better than in my own country so chill out ).i think that all those things about european racism are much overreacted.In last years, since 9/11, i heard personally about one tragic event in Belgium, where a racist killed two women from Africa.He was mentally ill i think.Anyway, in Europe muslims live in seperated ghettos and they rather stick together and dont mix with non muslims(vide Germany,Sweden or Holland).



You are talking about oil?Arabs get zillions of dollars for their oil so no one steals it from them.



This is interesting. So was there in world any country that followed islam?Ever? Any?



India had great civilization before, during and after islam.
PLEASE READ SLOWLY TO UNDERSTAN!
Muslims just like everybody else in the world move for various personal reasons. One they want a better life, Two education, Three occupation, Four because they just dang feel like! who cares why people move can we just move on with this eh?

When there is Muslim country inform me please! [/QUOTE/]

Who would want to live in place where there just one religion? The beauty of world is that its different from skin color to religion. I feel like I can learn more from other people and their religion and culture. If I lived in country where everyone was a Jew god I'd kill myself lol.







And very good.I am supporter of tradition and religion in world.



I hope that you are right.



About Sudan.The only reason why this country is going to be divided is criminal politicy of its goverment.And you know it well.
And the reso of your post, about what fortunes you are telling?






Ok ok but you showed us an ideal state of muslim Ummah.But life is ussually far from being ideal bro.



Believe me or not, but i support muslims' efforts to establish true islamic states.If this is possible of course in nowadays world.






Didnt mean to offend you.

This just my 2cents on everything please understand it.

 

[I_notGenerous]

Hii....We know what Islam is ....what we do not know is the impact on Muslims the understanding and interpretation of The mind of each individual as Muslims..if ...the interpretation is right I am sure there is no terrorism...no corruptions...no sufferring in Muslims countries....eace:

Islam is here

Islam is peace, Islam is ease,
Islam's not danger or disease.
Islam is love and prosperity.
Islam's not hatred or adversity.

Islam is salvation through repentence.
Islam has love for all in abundance.
Islam means no harm or affliction.
Islam implores you with affection.

Islam is neither maze nor craze.
Islam is giving Allah all praise.
Islam is acing through the race.
Islam will be on everyone's face.

Islam is worshipping only the Creator.
Islam's not mere numbers on a calculator.
Islam gives you power when you surrender.
Islam's not for a terrorist or a pretender.

Islam is patience and perseverance.
Islam eases your vengeance through tolerance.
Islam is life for all eternity.
Islam gives you respect, moreover dignity.

Islam is winning hearts through honesty
Islam is giving openly in charity
Islam makes you wholesome and trustworthy
Islam is in wealth as well as in poverty. (Please explain this....)

Islam is your shield against all evil.
Islam is for your soul's retrieval.
Islam not fundamentalism or fanaticism.
Islam's not nationalism or racism. Wake up, people, Islam is here.
Islam is here, so have no fear.

Happy children's day...eace: