Islam is not about turban and beard

searchingsoul said:
So there is a noted disagreement as far as Islamic religious opinion is concerned? That's all I need to know. Thanks.
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Muslims can disagree in matter which is not really specifically being told in Koran and Hadith. But for basic Islamic teaching mentioned in Koran and Hadith specifically and elaborately. Muslims must follow, regardless whether they're salafi, shiite, shafii, maliki, ibadhi, liberal islam whatever.
 
north_malaysian said:
Muslims can disagree in matter which is not really specifically being told in Koran and Hadith. But for basic Islamic teaching mentioned in Koran and Hadith specifically and elaborately. Muslims must follow, regardless whether they're salafi, shiite, shafii, maliki, ibadhi, liberal islam whatever.
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Thank you North_Maylaysian. This would explain the different branches (or beliefs) of Islam. I'm starting to understand that Islam is open to different beliefs and not as black and white as I once thought. :)
 
searchingsoul said:
Thank you North_Maylaysian. This would explain the different branches (or beliefs) of Islam. I'm starting to understand that Islam is open to different beliefs and not as black and white as I once thought. :)
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Just take Koran verse (5:51) for example:

for literalists - Muslims cant make friends with Jews and Christians.
But for most Muslims - we can be friends with Jews, Christians etc. Further explanation: http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/friends.htm
 
Well......They shouldn't be wearing the Turban in Malaysia since that would be considered as Shuhrah, and also because it is out of norms of the Malaysian custom.And they shouldn't have made such a big fuss out of it because Turban is not obligatory to wear.

But this Sisters of Islam organization that north_malaysian is mentioning is absolutely rubbish and I am amazed that they really even think that they are 'Islamic' they are far from that!! How can they say that Hijab is not necessary? that's one big flaw for you there. The Qur'an itself says that it is waajib.
A lot of things that this organization has said which has caused me to raise my eyebrows and really question their motives......Islamic?? My Foot.
 
Abd'Majid said:
lets not disregard the concensus of all imams.

but yes i too think it to be wajib IF NOT fard
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:sl:

what do you mean? by the imams part?

and if its wajib and not fard woops thats my mistake:rollseyes although they come to the same effect= no shaving beards
 
north_malaysian said:
I dont say people who say it's obligatory is wrong. But our Muftis and most Clerics saying that it just a sunnah. Because the prophet didnt tell that if u dont keep beard you'll get sins. Plus, if we Muslims want to be different than Non Muslims, should we abandon our western clothes?

Regarding to hijab, it's not wrong to say it's obligatory. But 'Sisters in Islam' organization in Malaysia says that Hijab is a right not a duty, using the same authorities that people who says it's obligatory used. It just different interpretations.
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:sl:
Amazing, naqli first and then aqli. A beard is wajeeb, a lot of hadith mention about this and all hadith concern beard is a commands and according kaidah, hadith taht show a comand then its wajeeb.
And can you tell us north malaysian who is those people you called mufti? A lot of people called mufti but actually they dont deserve the title cause they dont have the right conditions to be a mufti. To be a mufti then they must fullfill all the conditions, such as:
1. they remember Qur an 30 juz
2. They remember hadith
3. They know and fahm about tafseerul quran, and all kaidahs in it.
4. they understand mustalah hadith, and all the knowledges concern hadiths, such as nasikh wa masukh and all. Also nasikh wa masukh in Quran.
5. They must understand and talk arabic fluently, cause Islam revealed in Arabic and Quran in Arabic.
6. They must understand the ikhtilaf of all ulama.
7. They must have a good salafy aqidah and thiqoh.
So, Im wondering who is these people you called mufti yaa akhee? As I know theres no mufti (with the real meaning of mufti, or ulama warosatul anbiya) in malaysia, not yet. And IF the mufti said its sunnah to keep beard then he is totally wrong masha Allah. Cause theres no ikhtilaf about keeping beard is wajeeb fo every muslim. Daleels is a lot in Quran and sunnah. Dont we are told to follow Rasulullah shalallahu alaihi wasallam if we really love Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala? Dont we are told that we have no choice if Allah has give us one law, then we dont have any choice and we may not choose whatever we like from this dien. And then Rasulullah told us "grow your beard and trim your mustache", or he said "grow your beard and trim your mustache, dont be like majoosy cause they grow their mustache and cut their beard", and akhee tashabbuh to kafereen is haram of halal? Its haram right. So if we cut our beard then Rasulullah told us we will looklike majusi, that means we ma not do that and its haram to do that.
And also growing our beard is sunnah all anbiya, dont we remember in Quran said when Musa alaihis salam mad to Harun then he pull Haruns beard? All anbiya have beards even Jesus painted bu those lost christian having a beard ;D . Cause BEARD is fitrah for men, and to change the fitrah is a big sin. And by cutting our beard thats mean we will do tashabbuh to women, and its haram cause Rasulullah said "Allah curse men who looklike women and women who looklike men". If we cut our beard, thats mean we make our self looklike women, cause women doesnt have beard, so we must different from them. And if make our self same with women, then its a sin akhee believe me. So cutting beard is not just a sunnah, but its a sin for men to cut their beard. And its wajeeb. No ikhtilaf bainal ulama concern about this matter.
How long? theres two opinions about this, First is keep the beard as length as our fist, or just keeping it long and dont cut it. But I choose the first opinion that Im keeping my beard as length as my fist.
by the way, one of my ustadh ever told me, that someman who cu his beard ever walked along the Meccahs street, and theres some seller called him "yaa Siti Rahma, where are you going???" ;D Poor him I think.
And also if you read the history/tarikh of all the companions, then you will find ALL of them have a beard, if its really just a sunnah, then maybe some of them will cut the beard right?
And Allah is the most beautiful, and He love beautiful things. thats why He made fitrah for men with the beard, cause its beautiful and Allah know best and we just know a little tiny things fropm His ilm :rollseyes . Wallahu taufiq wallahu a'lam.
and about hijab, wearing hijab is a right and not a duty?And its a right of ALL parents to hit their daughters if they dont wanna wear hijab :rant: Cause by lettng them uncover then htaht means we let our daughters enter hells as Rasulullah said "There will come two types of human that I never see before. First, a man who hold "cambuk"(what you call cambuk in english?" and hit people with it. And women who dress but naked. And they move their head like a camel. They wont enter heaven and they even wont sense the smell of heaven". So if we really love our daughters then MAKE THEM wearing hijab, and if they reasoning its HOT, tell them that HELL is more hot than wearing hijab. And later on they will get use to it insha Allah. Its our duty to guide our children to the right path, like Quran said "Yaa Ayyuhalladhina amanuu, kuu anfusakum wa ahlikum naaro...". So if they dont wanna wear hijab, then force them, you gotta force them. Its for their own good masha Allah. But its best to wear hijab to our daughters since theyre still a kid, so they will get use to it easier insha Allah.
And by to say that wearing hijab is a RIGHT, then its just a talbis iblis, and as if its meant to make people think that its your RIGHT to not wearing hijab :rant: . And thats a really bad statements from some organization called "sisters in Islam (???)". Wallahu yahdihuma, amin. Sometimes mouth really can lead person to hell right, wal iyadhubillah. So must be carefull with our statements.

So akheel kareem, choose your ulama, ulama waropsatul anbiya and be aware of those juhalaa. Hafidhakallah
 
north_malaysian said:
Muslims can disagree in matter which is not really specifically being told in Koran and Hadith. But for basic Islamic teaching mentioned in Koran and Hadith specifically and elaborately. Muslims must follow, regardless whether they're salafi, shiite, shafii, maliki, ibadhi, liberal islam whatever.
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:sl:
Yes...muslims can disagree in a matter which is not really specifically being told in quran and hadith. But what kinda muslims may disagree? Muslim like us? Who are us? We are no one, just usual muslim. And we just have a little knowledge about Islam, so how can we able to make tafseer of ayah mutsabihaat? Cause if one matter not really specifically being told quran, then thats mean the verse still in general meaning and can cause a lot of interpretation, its called ayah mutashabihaat. Thats why we have to read the explanations about this from our scholars book. So we may not say we individually agree or disagree about one matter in dien, but we just read the book of ulama and let evrybody know insha Allah.
--- Allahu A'lam.
 
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ass salaamu alaykum

maahsaAllah bro ..thnks for the info...just wanna correct one thing though if that's okay!!.....

ulama waropsatul anbiya
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al-ulamaah warathatul an-biyaa!!...the inheriters of the prophets!!

wa alaykum ass salaam :peace:
 
:sl:
I don't think wearing a turban is recommended at all. It is not specifically prescribed, and it does not distinguish you from non-Muslims, as Sikhs often wear one. I think its just a cultural thing.
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What are the religious gains of wearing a turban and what are the losses, if any, when turban not worn? Will anybody come forward with authentic documents to explain the issue ?
 
M H Kahn said:
What are the religious gains of wearing a turban and what are the losses, if any, when turban not worn? Will anybody come forward with authentic documents to explain the issue ?
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:sl:
Here's a fatwa on it.

I don't think that there are any religious gains to wearing a turban, other than being certain that what you are wearing isn't haram. It is not prescribed specifically, and if the average person in the street sees you then they will not be able to tell if you are a Muslim or a Sikh. I think wearing a cap or a kufi is better, because most people will recoginse that you are a Muslim. You are also imitating the believers if you wear one.
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:sl:
The fatwa on the turban:
Question: Is it Sunnah to wear a hat known as a “topi” or to wear a turban?”

Answered by Sheikh Ahmad al-Khalîl, professor at al-Imâm University, Qasîm Branch It is known that the Prophet (peace be upon him) wore a turban. `Amr b. Hurayth said: “I saw the Prophet (peace be upon him) on the pulpit and he was wearing a black turban with its ends resting on his shoulders.” [Sunan Abî Dâwûd]. In another narration in Sahîh Muslim it reads: “It is as if I see the Prophet (peace be upon him) wearing a black turban having each end laying on each side.” Also, al-Tirmidhî narrated that the Prophet (peace be upon him) wore a black turban, laying each end between his shoulders.

This was also a mode of dress employed by the Companions. Nâfi` relates that Ibn `Umar used to wear a turban. `Ubayd Allah relates that he saw al-Qâsim and Sulaym wearing it.

As for the ruling on wearing a turban in Islamic Law, this is a matter of disagreement among scholars. Some say it is Sunnah to wear a turban, because the Prophet (peace be upon him) wore it, while others say that this is something that depends purely on custom. They argue that the Sunnah is to dress according to what is deemed correct and proper within the context of customs and tradition. Customs and traditions vary from time to time and from place to place.

This argument is even more applicable to a mere hat.

And Allah knows best.
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It seems from the information given in the fatwa that though Mohammed (pbuh) used to wear turban, he never said that wearing a turban would be a Muslim's religious duty.
 
Mawaddah said:
Well......They shouldn't be wearing the Turban in Malaysia since that would be considered as Shuhrah, and also because it is out of norms of the Malaysian custom.And they shouldn't have made such a big fuss out of it because Turban is not obligatory to wear.

But this Sisters of Islam organization that north_malaysian is mentioning is absolutely rubbish and I am amazed that they really even think that they are 'Islamic' they are far from that!! How can they say that Hijab is not necessary? that's one big flaw for you there. The Qur'an itself says that it is waajib.
A lot of things that this organization has said which has caused me to raise my eyebrows and really question their motives......Islamic?? My Foot.
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Sisters in Islam (SIS) is hated by almost all Muslims because they're too feminist and too liberal (They support amina Wadood). The problem is that, among the patrons of SIS are Nori Abdullah (Malaysian PM's daughter) and Marina Mahathir (former Malaysian PM's daughter). They voiced their statements in all daily newspaper (which is controlled by gov't) and of course the 'Al Islam' magazine (which is so liberal).
 
i think it's a riduculous argument they used against the kids...

It's kinda like saying Islam isn't about the hijab and modesty for women..
 
:sl:
Ohh!!
Wearing a turban and leaving the beard,no one can deny if they are not islamic acts(sunnah),although the latter is more strong than the former.
if no one avoid you to practise them why don't you practise?
If the laws of the state forbid you,do you feel pain for such an act?
if not why?
And if you feel you can't do them or one of them to be quiet is better foryou than deny.
 
Our Education minister, Datuk Hishamuddin Bin Hussein is relieved of the court rulings.

"This mean that people cannot accuse the ministry of making an emotional decision"

It is clear that our school uniforms do not go against our religion. We made it uniform to ensure that there was no difference to race or religion or tho whether we are rich or poor. This is something which the court took into consideration."

The Star, 14.07.2006, page N10.
 

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