Islam is not about turban and beard

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and if the average person in the street sees you then they will not be able to tell if you are a Muslim or a Sikh. I think wearing a cap or a kufi is better, because most people will recoginse that you are a Muslim. You are also imitating the believers if you wear one.
Muslims and Sikhs wear their turbans differently - for example, Muslims have a bit hanging down from the back of their turbans, whereas Sikhs do not. The shape at the forehead is also different. And in conjunction with the rest of the Muslim dress, it's not all that hard to tell between a Muslim and a Sikh :).
 
Sisters in Islam (SIS) is hated by almost all Muslims because they're too feminist and too liberal (They support amina Wadood). The problem is that, among the patrons of SIS are Nori Abdullah (Malaysian PM's daughter) and Marina Mahathir (former Malaysian PM's daughter). They voiced their statements in all daily newspaper (which is controlled by gov't) and of course the 'Al Islam' magazine (which is so liberal).

i just don't understand astora jabat ...claiming himself an ulama'.

why our ulama' doesn't say anything about SIS...

as quoted by Mawaddah.... SIS my foot.
 
i think so. some of my muslims friend don't have turban or beard. but they still are a good muslims to me (whatever good muslims means to you).
 
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but having a beard is obligatory, if they shave they are going against what God ordered them to do. people will argue that 'its just a beard, hair doesnt make you a muslim' but thats just lame becuase thats not what its about- the point is, God said do this, so you do it. thats it.
 
The prophet did not say that the turban is a part of deen. But still with the intention for the satisfaction of Allah one may wear the turban to earn Allah's blessings.
 
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but having a beard is obligatory, if they shave they are going against what God ordered them to do. people will argue that 'its just a beard, hair doesnt make you a muslim' but thats just lame becuase thats not what its about- the point is, God said do this, so you do it. thats it.

sis, "CONCENSUS" !! even we truelly believe its wajib we cant force that impression on everyone coz theres too many ulama :rollseyes :rollseyes :rollseyes who call it sunnah....
 
sis, "CONCENSUS" !! even we truelly believe its wajib we cant force that impression on everyone coz theres too many ulama :rollseyes :rollseyes :rollseyes who call it sunnah....

can anyone post fatwa saying that having beard is wajib or not...
 
What i dont get is, regardless if its sunnah or wajib, why are we doing that which nabi muhahmmed pbuh orderd us against. Did he muhammed pbuh say oppose the jews and christians, i.e trim your mustache close and allow you beard to grow?

Is not the sunnah of muhammed pbuh enough for muslim men who hold their prohet close to their hearts and love him more than we are suppose to love our parents enough for us o follow his way. Why does something have to be wajib for us in order to show our love for our prophet.


Is it really that hard? Its better to admit your illness then to ignore it.
 
does turban or beard makes u a good muslims?
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A man, to be a Muslim, must have the untainted faith that he shall worship none but Allah alone and must believe in His revelations. A turban or beard will come only after one has become a Muslim in faith, to be a better Muslim.
 
Mere turban or beard cannot make a man a Muslim. Becoming a Muslim requires understanding Islam and accepting it as the only code of life.
 
does turban or beard makes u a good muslims?

Its Islam which will make us a better person. All of us no exceptions. And Beard cant make anyone better, isnt it george washington (if Im not mistaken) also wearing beard but he is KAFEREEN? No beard cant make anyone to be better man. But beard, for a muslim, its their sign from the kafereen. Islam have its own sign that showing the dignity, and we may not follow what non muslims do, wear and say.
And for us, in ISLAM, eeeeeeeeeeeeverything which came from our GOD and His prophet are good, nothing can be bad. Nothing can harm us. For a muslim, following the Gods rule is a way of life. Just like when you wanna buy a car. Then how can you understand about the car if you dont have the book manual to take care the car, so it wont broken in a short time? Just like us, we are human, and we need the book manual for us, and theres no manual book better than Quran. Its a Gods law, the Quran. And Prophet Muhammad shalallahu alaihi wasallam (peace be upon him) sent to explain the Quran, so muslims wont be lost understand it. And Allah, our GOD, know what is best for us :brother: , no wonder right? Cause He is the one who created us with His glorious hands. So thats why he make growing beard as a obligation in Islam. And its called sunnah, an example from our prophet. And everything which is sunnah, will certainly give profits to us, to muslim, even non muslim can also feel the profit. Cause sunnah is for human, and its for our advantage. Just like beard, do U think growing beard dont bring any manfaat to men? It is. Scientific proved it. I read in newspaper there was a research in USA that proved that men ith a beard have smaller chance got a heart attack, subhanallah. And also our beloved prophet said that if theres a flies fall into your water, we should drown it, whole of it then after that we can throw it out. Why we should drown it? Cause a flies bring a disease in one of its wings but also have the cure in another wings. How did he know? Muhammad shalallahu alaihi wasallam even couldnt write and read, how did he know? And why his followers always obey him in whatever he said? Like growing beard and all. why alll the companions had beard? One of the answer is cause theyre sure that whatever the prophet ordered and did, thats the best for them, for their own good. And whatever the prophet said, then it wasnt come from him only, but its a guidance from above, from Allah Subhanahu wa ta'ala. And the hukm of beard is wajeeb.
And as a thurban, I remember I have read a book that said every hadith that said about the reward of wearing turban is all not sahih, and cant be held as hujjah. And if theres hadith about Rasulullah wearing thurban, and He didnt explain about the reward of it, then its not sunnah. And also its against hadith from him that explained about suhrah. Suhrah is somehting that we use/wear that make us different from people around us. And wearing suhrah is a sin. So if theres no hadith that explain about the reward of wearing thurban, then its not sunnah, and maybe its included to urf (tradition). So if its not our tradition to wear thurban, then we may not wearing it cause by wearing it, it will make us different from generally people. And its a sin. Allahu A'lam bisshawab
 
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Is it true, that Sheikh Yusof Al Qardhawi said in his 'Al Halaal wal Haraam fil Islam' that keeping beard is a Sunnah, not wajib?:?
 
Is it true, that Sheikh Yusof Al Qardhawi said in his 'Al Halaal wal Haraam fil Islam' that keeping beard is a Sunnah, not wajib?:?

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If I were you, I will search for fatawa from the kibaarul ulama in Saudi, such as Syaikh Bin Bazz rahimahullah, Syaikh Al Uthaymeen rahimahullah, Syaikh Albani rahimahullah, Syaikh Shalih Al Fawzan hafidhahullah, syaikh Al Jibreen Hafidhahullah, Syaikh Muqbeel bin Hadi rahimahullah, etc. And IF you wanna read the book of syaikh Al Qardhawi in "al halaal wal haraam fil Islam", please make sure that the book have a takhreej from syaikh Albani. I have it in Indonesia akhee.
And...mmmm...I have to remind you also that syaikh Qardhawi are wrong and weird in his fatawas. And I heard that his aqidah is asy'ariy. Read a book from syaikh Rabi' Al Madkhali concerning syaikh Qardhawi. You have to know yaa akhi, or else you will lost in some aspects. Allahu a'lam.
 
sis, "CONCENSUS" !! even we truelly believe its wajib we cant force that impression on everyone coz theres too many ulama :rollseyes :rollseyes :rollseyes who call it sunnah....

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Yes right...they say "too many ulama", but its ulama in whose eyes? :X Is it in awwam peoples eyes? Or in kibaar Ulama's eyes? Cause so many people claim them self al ulama without any recomendation from kibaar ulama. We should read fatawa from Ulama Salaf cause theyre ulama warosatul anbiya. And theyre free of any importancy,they have no oraganization, they have no leader except Allah and Rasulullah, they are not taqlid with any mahdhab, and they dont afraid of anything to defend Islam.
And Lets say if you hear ulama like syaikh Al Qardhawi, its wellknown that Syaikh Al Qardhawi support Al Ikhwanul muslimeen in Egypt, so in some part of his fatawa, its abvious that his fatawa being brought to the harokah importancy. And their importancy is one of his consideration in giving fatawa. The prove is He allow suicide bombing in Palestine. Ulama salaf forbid it cause its clearly a suicide, but syaikh Al Qardhawi hafidhahullah allow it. Its the difference of their ilm, its abvious masha Allah.
 
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PUTRAJAYA, MALAYSIA: Islam is not about turban and beard, said the Federal Court in dismissing an appeal by three pupils who were expelled from school nine years ago for refusing to take off their 'serban' ('turban' in Malay Language).

The panel of three judges led by Court of Appeal president Tan Sri Abdul Malek Ahmad was unanimous in their decision that not everything that Prophet Muhammad did - or the way he did it - is legally or religiously binding on Muslims, or even preferable and should be followed.

In the panel were also Chief Judge of Sabah and Sarawak Justice Steve Shim and Federal Court judge Justice Abdul Hamid Mohammad.

In his written judgment, Justice Abdul Hamid said that he accepted that Prophet Muhammad wore a turban but added that the Prophet also rode a camel, built his house and mosque with clay walls and roof of date palm leaves and brushed his teeth with the twig of a plant.

"Does that make riding a camel a more pious deed than travelling in an aeroplane?" he asked in the judgment read out by Federal Court deputy registrar Kamaruddin Kamsun.

"Is it preferable to build houses and mosques using the same materials use by the Prophet and the same architecture adopted by him during his time?"
In 1997, SK Serting Felda headmistress, Fatimah Sihi expelled Meor Atiqulrahman Ishak, then 13, and two other students - brothers Syed Abdullah Khaliq Aslamy Syed Ahmad Johari, then 11, and Syed Ahmad Syakur Dihya Syed Ahmad Johari, then 10 - for wearing turban to school.

On August 6, 1999, the High Court revoked the expulsion order, ruling that the headmistress had no power to expel the students for wearing the headgear.

On November 22, 2004, the Court of Appeal set aside the High Court ruling.

Justice Abdul Hamid said: "The question is whether the wearing of turban by boys of the age of the appellants is a practice of the religion of Islam?"

"The pagan Arabs wore turbans and kept beards. It was quite natural for the Prophet, born in the community and growing up to it, to do the same."

He added that other people living in the desert or semi-desert areas, such as the Afghans and Persians, also wear turbans.

"It is interesting to note that very few of our muftis and hardly any Syariah court judge wear the turban", he said.

Justice Abdul Hamid said the court could not ignore the education system that had helped boys and girls to grow up as Malaysians, and educationists should be given respect and credit when they formulate regulations for the general good of students and society.

Describing the father of the two brothers as 'arrogant', Justice Abdul Hamid said Syed Ahmad Johari Syed Mohamed wanted the three appellants to wear turban to school because the turban is the "family's emblem."

He said he could not accept the submission of the students' counsel Mohamed Hanipa Maidin that the school regulation violated the provisions of the Constitution.

Mohamed Hanipa had submitted that the appeal was related to the right to practice one's religion and that includes every religious practice that has some basis or has become part of the religion, whether mandatory or otherwise.

"To accept the learned counsel's argument would mean that anybody has a right to do anything, at any time and anywhere he considers to be a practice of his religion, no matter how trivial," said Justice Abdul Hamid.

Outside the courtroom, Syed Ahmad Johari said he was upset because the school regulations emerged only after his sons started wearing the turban.

"However, I respect this decisionof this court," he said.

Syed Ahmad Johari, a public school teacher, who wears a turban and also dons a 'jubah' (robe), said he would discuss with his lawyers the probability of taking this matter to the Syariah Court.

"Although it is a defeat for me, it is a victory for Islam because the issue has been brought to the highest court of the land (Malaysia). At least the public would be aware of it," said the 48-year-old father, who came to court together with his sons, all wearing turbans.

THE STAR, 13.07.2006 - FRONT PAGE

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Its what those harokiyun and hizby declared in their forum. They said "Lets leave small things like beard, jubah, bid'ah, etc. We have more bigger things to deal with. Our bros and sis are slaughtered in Irak...blablabla" And they also say " we should have tolerance in every differences we have", and then they will bring hadith laa aslalahu "A differences in my ummah is rahmah". This is very very wrong. Cause if differences is rahmah, then a unity (of Islam) is a curse, although Allah ordered us to be Unity (wa laa tafarrokuu) and hold on in the law of Allah Azza wa jalla.
So I remind all muslims to watch out of this saying: Islam is not about turban and beard. Its a light word but have a big risk in the eye of syariah Islam. Cause this kinda people dont care about sunnah, cause they think its small things. How can they take care big things if they even cant do the small things first Im wondering. Allahu A'lam
 

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