islamic/Arabic inventions

[Keltoi]

The Egyptians are the same folks in the pagan days as they were Islamic days only more enhanced by the qualities of righteous people ... and undoubtedly what ever talents they have had carried through---
Still don't see how European thought during the dark ages stemmed from Plato or Aristotle?... was their enlightenment the focus of Roger the II crushing the globe handed him by Al Idrisi attesting the earth was flat-- or of having prohibitions on wearing pointy shoes for their immorality by the church and keeping your circumcised organs buried with you so that G-D could put you back together? Please let's get a grip here.... or are we again in the process of reinterpreting history?
peace!

You seem to conveniently forget the Greek and Roman Empires. When the Roman Empire fell apart, Europe was once again a collection of tribes and feudal kingdoms struggling to survive. This was the Dark Ages. It was a time of war and chaos. However, when scholars and philosophers once again emerged, it was Plato and Aristotle to whom they looked for knowledge and enlightenment. You simply cannot separate European culture from the influence of the Greeks and Romans. I'm not sure what the whole "circumcised" organs comment was about, so I won't bother to respond to that exciting addition to the conversation.

 

[Trumble]

Please let's get a grip here.... or are we again in the process of reinterpreting history?
peace!

Keltoi is quite correct, although I'd also add Democritus to the list. I'm afraid it's you doing the "reinterpreting"!

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Everyone seems to be doing it. Is that better kids? Now lets make up and play! tee heee :rollseyes

 

[جوري]

I am not conveniently forgetting-- I am just simply as unimpressed!... in your own words European achievements are overstated! And any good historian will tell you.. Europe has gotten there out of climbing on other nations's achievements and stealing their wealth through Imperialism....

I haven't read any books by you, but I have by others who will attest to the converse of what you are dishing out here..... so the expected responses with a quip -- frankly means squat to me...

peace!

 

[iqbal_soofi]

I am not conveniently forgetting-- I am just simply as unimpressed!... in your own words European achievements are overstated! And any good historian will tell you.. Europe has gotten there out of climbing on other nations's achievements and stealing their wealth through Imperialism....

I haven't read any books by you, but I have by others who will attest to the converse of what you are dishing out here..... so the expected responses with a quip -- frankly means squat to me...

peace!

It's not only the European Imperialists, but all Imperialists did many good things for themselves. We've to see their beheviour with others. What they did with other people. This we can check from the balance of trade or flow of wealth from one side to the other. Europe and the western world is still doing a lot of good to the third world. But they get more than double the wealth from the third world to what they give them in total. It's the western powers that use their underground intellegence agaencies and brutal armies who do a lot of massacre in the third world in the name of setting up democracy. The menace of fundamentalism is also promoted by their agengies to keep the third world countries busy in destruction so that they always look towards the west for help to reconstruct. mg:

 

[Keltoi]

I am not conveniently forgetting-- I am just simply as unimpressed!... in your own words European achievements are overstated! And any good historian will tell you.. Europe has gotten there out of climbing on other nations's achievements and stealing their wealth through Imperialism....

I haven't read any books by you, but I have by others who will attest to the converse of what you are dishing out here..... so the expected responses with a quip -- frankly means squat to me...

peace!

I did not say European achievements were "overstated", I said that suggesting Europe owes Islam for its philosophical and scientific progress was overstated.

The issue of imperialism and the development of philosophy and science, while not completely unrelated, don't have much to do with this convesation. I'm not even sure what your point is exactly, unless it is to suggest Europeans owe their development and power to Islam, which is obviously false.

 

[جوري]

I did not say European achievements were "overstated", I said that suggesting Europe owes Islam for its philosophical and scientific progress was overstated.

The issue of imperialism and the development of philosophy and science, while not completely unrelated, don't have much to do with this convesation. I'm not even sure what your point is exactly, unless it is to suggest Europeans owe their development and power to Islam, which is obviously false.

I know exactly what you said... and I turned it around! how do you like it?... Now, I suggest you not partake in a topic where you are not sure what the subject matter entails-- -- and yes Europe owes a great deal of debt to Islamic civilization from the lights on the streets of Spain to architecture to Math to science and every facet there is in between... As stated above even Copernicus and other beloved geniuses, copied their work from Muslim scholars and did it incorrectly.. you may revisit one of the above articles written by a Non- Muslim Doctor BTW working at Columbia university ... if you don't like what is written it still doesn't make it false, just makes you seem really ill informed and embittered!

You remind me of individuals suffering from Hemineglect syndrome-- you only see half of the picture, and I have no doubt in my mind-- that it is what you actually believe--- but seeing half a correct picture no matter how much conviction you put into it, is still an incorrect view to the rest of the learned world!

my vacation is over as of Monday and I am afraid I don't have as much time on my hand to dedicate to this beyond what is useful or even necessary...
Enjoy


peace!

 

[Keltoi]

I suppose we will just agree to disagree.