Israeli car ad boasts run over of kids.... How sick can they get?

[Uncle Jee]

Oh people come on. I really do hope this non story does not take off and make us again another laughing stock for the world!

A stone thrown at a car is pretty dangerous. I certainly would not want anyone to throw stones at me whilst i'm driving in the wrong part of the neighbourhood!

Yes, what is happening over there is crap however throwing stones at some randomn car driving pass? I mean how do they know it is Mr Zionist driving the car and not some person who happens to be lost? (obviously playing devils advocate)

 

[GuestFellow]

Salaam
Wait a second , what do you mean it is stupid?

To throw stones at car. It is dangerous.

No it isn't these Children are merely trying to express how much they hate the Isreali tanks and cars destroying their lands.

What will they achieve by throwing stones at a car? I understand that they are angry but throwing stones will put themselves and other people in danger.

Besides If we compare the amount of "Anoyment" the Isrealis get from these little children and how much destruction the Palestinians get really there is seriuosly no comparision!

I'm aware that some Israeli people have done terrible things.

It doesnt give them the right to go over kids with a car!

Yes, people should not do that.

 

[Futuwwa]

Oh people come on. I really do hope this non story does not take off and make us again another laughing stock for the world!

Did Islam become a world religion by the ummah's efforts to live up to the expectations of the rest of the world?

A stone thrown at a car is pretty dangerous. I certainly would not want anyone to throw stones at me whilst i'm driving in the wrong part of the neighbourhood!

As someone educated in physics, I don't see how something with the mass or momentum of a hand-thrown stone could make the car swerve or anything like that.

Yes, what is happening over there is crap however throwing stones at some randomn car driving pass? I mean how do they know it is Mr Zionist driving the car and not some person who happens to be lost? (obviously playing devils advocate)

Presumably because these settlers make their presence very well known through their antics. It's not implausible that they would have recognized the car and the driver from previous experience. Do you think it's coincidental that this incident happened with a high-ranking belligerent Israeli nationalist behind the wheel, of all possible people it could have happened to?

 

[GuestFellow]

As someone educated in physics, I don't see how something with the mass or momentum of a hand-thrown stone could make the car swerve or anything like that.

Salaam,

If you throw something at a car, it is likely the driver will swerve and hit something. It is a normal reaction. :/

 

[sister herb]

Yes, what is happening over there is crap however throwing stones at some randomn car driving pass? I mean how do they know it is Mr Zionist driving the car and not some person who happens to be lost? (obviously playing devils advocate)

They stoned that car in Palestinian neighborhood where any israelis shouldn´t drive at all. If someones drives, he surely knows where he is. Zionists just believe all Palestine belong to them and them only. How they knew car was owned by zionist? By color of its registered plates of course.

They aren´t stupid little kids whose just played dangerously but resisting occupation and destroying they homes.

 

[May Ayob]

Salaam

To throw stones at car. It is dangerous.

What is even more Dangerous as you are saying is to throw Bombs at humanbeings that is what should be considered as dangerous!
How come when one of these Israelis get "hurt" in anyway you find a mob of people coming up and saying Oh NO! that was wrong
These kids are children and NOT adults if God swt does not account children then why should we?
And how got harmed it wasn't the Isaelis It was the Children
Besides who knows these same children maybe orphans that their parent's have been killed by the Israelis!
People please have some sympathy for people if not atleast have sympathy for children!
Since when do we have to speak up for the rights of "Israelis" which are very well-known for their inhumane/racist and barbaric atitude.

What will they achieve by throwing stones at a car? I understand that they are angry but throwing stones will put themselves and other people in danger.

They will acheive Bravery! that is what they will acheive what do you want them to do?
Put their heads down and politely Greet them "Shalom"?

I'm aware that some Israeli people have done terrible things.

Is this an arguement to say that yes some Israeli people done some bad things but we can't blame the whole group!
the least we can do is to speak against what their doing!

Yes, people should not do that.

Thank you ! No they should never ever do something like that !

Salaam

 

[GuestFellow]

Salaam

What is even more Dangerous as you are saying is to throw Bombs at humanbeings that is what should be considered as dangerous!

Salaam,

I never said anything about throwing bombs at human beings. I agree with you that throwing bombs at people or property is dangerous.

How come when one of these Israelis get "hurt" in anyway you find a mob of people coming up and saying Oh NO! that was wrong

I don't know. Some young boys threw stones at the driver. That's wrong and dangerous.

These kids are children and NOT adults if God swt does not account children then why should we?

I'm not sure how old these kids were. They did something dangerous and an adult should tell them not to throw stones at cars. I'm not judging them.

And how got harmed it wasn't the Isaelis It was the Children

If the kids did not threw the stones, then they would not have been injured.

Besides who knows these same children maybe orphans that their parent's have been killed by the Israelis!

That does not mean that they should throw stones at a car, but I do understand how angry they must feel.

People please have some sympathy for people if not atleast have sympathy for children! Since when do we have to speak up for the rights of "Israelis" which are very well-known for their inhumane/racist and barbaric atitude.

I'm sure there are people that have sympathy towards the Palestinians but at the same time, we should not make excuses for violent acts committed by some Palestinians.

Not all Israelis are racist. The Holocaust survivor whose life is in danger again Do not generalise.

what do you want them to do?

Not to throw stones at cars because it is not safe for them and for other people.

Put their heads down and politely Greet them "Shalom"?

What is wrong with that? :/ A simple hello could improve relations between the Palestinians and the settlers....but that is very unlikely.

Is this an arguement to say that yes some Israeli people done some bad things but we can't blame the whole group!

Yes. Not all Israeli people are bad.

 

[May Ayob]

Quote Originally Posted by May Ayob View Post Salaam What is even more Dangerous as you are saying is to throw Bombs at humanbeings that is what should be considered as dangerous! Salaam, I never said anything about throwing bombs at human beings. I agree with you that throwing bombs at people or property is dangerous. How come when one of these Israelis get "hurt" in anyway you find a mob of people coming up and saying Oh NO! that was wrong I don't know. Some young boys threw stones at the driver. That's wrong and dangerous. These kids are children and NOT adults if God swt does not account children then why should we? I'm not sure how old these kids were. They did something dangerous and an adult should tell them not to throw stones at cars. I'm not judging them. And how got harmed it wasn't the Isaelis It was the Children If the kids did not threw the stones, then they would not have been injured. Besides who knows these same children maybe orphans that their parent's have been killed by the Israelis! That does not mean that they should throw stones at a car, but I do understand how angry they must feel. People please have some sympathy for people if not atleast have sympathy for children! Since when do we have to speak up for the rights of "Israelis" which are very well-known for their inhumane/racist and barbaric atitude. I'm sure there are people that have sympathy towards the Palestinians but at the same time, we should not make excuses for violent acts committed by some Palestinians. Not all Israelis are racist. The Holocaust survivor whose life is in danger again Do not generalise. what do you want them to do? Not to throw stones at cars because it is not safe for them and for other people. Put their heads down and politely Greet them "Shalom"? What is wrong with that? :/ A simple hello could improve relations between the Palestinians and the settlers....but that is very unlikely. Is this an arguement to say that yes some Israeli people done some bad things but we can't blame the whole group! Yes. Not all Israeli people are bad.

Salaam
You know what? I;m not going to reply simply because
I don't think I will ever agree with you on the sentiments you brought up
And God will not ask you about my opinions nor will He ask me about yours
So, There is no need to get into an arguement

Salaam

 

[Muezzin]

For god sake, some kids are chucking stones at the car so the driver runs them over. Nothing anti Palestinian about it. What were those kids thinking? They could just vandalise some randomn car and then get away with it.

...

Is this sarcasm?

In the parallel universe I come from, kids allegedly throwing stones at a car do not automatically deserve to be run the hell over.

 

[GuestFellow]

Salaam
You know what? I;m not going to reply simply because
I don't think I will ever agree with you on the sentiments you brought up
And God will not ask you about my opinions nor will He ask me about yours
So, There is no need to get into an arguement

Salaam

Salaam,

I simply disagree with throwing stones at a car. It was an interesting discussion.

Anyway, here is the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wueqscpDBTo&feature=related

^ From looking at the video, it appears that the driver did not intentionally hit kid. The kid ran towards the car. Is my evaluation correct?

 

[Who Am I?]

I just have to wonder, if that was my car, and I was driving through the Palestinian neighborhood, would they chuck stones at me? I am a USA white guy who wears normal clothes. They wouldn't know I was Muslim until I told them, and even then they probably wouldn't believe me.

So I wonder if I should even care about this at all. I know they are my brothers in faith now, but would they really care about me if I was lost in their neighborhood?

 

[Futuwwa]

I honestly don't think you'd get attacked. After all, East Jerusalem has been annexed by Israel, so everyone there has the same kinds of license plates. There's no way to directly differentiate a stranger from a local. If it would be halal, I'd be willing to bet that those kids knew exactly who was in that car, and that it wasn't an average Jew or an average white man.

 

[Who Am I?]

I honestly don't think you'd get attacked. After all, East Jerusalem has been annexed by Israel, so everyone there has the same kinds of license plates. There's no way to directly differentiate a stranger from a local. If it would be halal, I'd be willing to bet that those kids knew exactly who was in that car, and that it wasn't an average Jew or an average white man.

You're probably right, brother, and I'm just being paranoid like I was the first time I went to masjid. Most times I am the only white guy there for prayers, but it doesn't bother me anymore. The masjid feels like my second home now.

 

[Trumble]

^ From looking at the video, it appears that the driver did not intentionally hit kid. The kid ran towards the car. Is my evaluation correct?

I agree. The driver had sounded his horn while slowing, not accelerating, and tried to swerve to avoid them. He stopped within a couple of meters; you don't do that 'trying to run somebody down'. Sorry, but taken in isolation rather than trying to create some sort of metaphor for the whole Palestinian problem, this is a non-story. The kid acted foolishly and was lucky not to be hurt. In most other countries, it would have been a soccer ball, not a rock.

BTW, am I the only one who thinks it just 'slightly' odd there were so many people with cameras who just happened to be there? There are at least four including the one taking the video, and all have pro rigs, not the sort of thing you take your holiday snaps with.

 

[Ramadhan]

I agree. The driver had sounded his horn while slowing, not accelerating, and tried to swerve to avoid them. He stopped within a couple of meters; you don't do that 'trying to run somebody down'. Sorry, but taken in isolation rather than trying to create some sort of metaphor for the whole Palestinian problem, this is a non-story. The kid acted foolishly and was lucky not to be hurt. In most other countries, it would have been a soccer ball, not a rock.

We were not discussing the incident per se, we were discussing how Subaru Israel put an ad featuring palestinian kids run over by an Israeli in a Subaru car and saying it's a good thing.

I would like to highlight the fact that the people who are concerned about Israelis not getting their rights respected normally do not show the same concern when millions of palestinians kicked out from their homes, or when palestinian babies are getting killed by Israeli missiles.

Hypocrisy.

 

[May Ayob]

Salaam, I simply disagree with throwing stones at a car. It was an interesting discussion. Anyway, here is the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wueqs...eature=related ^ From looking at the video, it appears that the driver did not intentionally hit kid. The kid ran towards the car. Is my evaluation correct?

Salaam
Wow! He did not do it intentionally?
Then that really makes a difference, Eh?
Not really, not even one bit.. Are you telling me that he didn't actually see him?Sub7anAllah
And even if it was "unintentionally" It is still not excused, there is no excuse at all, not even one.
So If I was riding my car and little child came towards it Does that give me the right to run over him?
And then arrogantly claim that the child was silly , I had to show him my strength and that no one is allowed to mess with me not even a child.
Salaam

 

[May Ayob]

So I wonder if I should even care about this at all. I know they are my brothers in faith now, but would they really care about me if I was lost in their neighborhood?

Salaam
I don't think they will attack you because you are white, Usually when Israelis come in to Palestentian Areas they make sure that they can be identified.
Salaam

 

[Who Am I?]

Salaam
I don't think they will attack you because you are white, Usually when Israelis come in to Palestentian Areas they make sure that they can be identified.
Salaam

Well as crazy as it sounds, I would like to visit some of my Palestinian brothers one day. Spend some time with them, get to know them, etc. Inshallah, I will get a chance to do that one day.

 

[GuestFellow]

Sorry, but taken in isolation rather than trying to create some sort of metaphor for the whole Palestinian problem, this is a non-story. The kid acted foolishly and was lucky not to be hurt.

Agreed.

BTW, am I the only one who thinks it just 'slightly' odd there were so many people with cameras who just happened to be there? There are at least four including the one taking the video, and all have pro rigs, not the sort of thing you take your holiday snaps with.

I'm not sure...

Salaam
Wow! He did not do it intentionally?
Then that really makes a difference, Eh? Not really, not even one bit.. Are you telling me that he didn't actually see him?Sub7anAllah And even if it was "unintentionally" It is still not excused, there is no excuse at all, not even one.

Salaam,

Well the kids ran towards the car and wanted to throw a stone at it. The driver accidentally ran them over. It's the kids fault. They should not be running towards the car and throwing stones at it. As brother Trumble mentioned, the driver sounded his horn, which is to warn the kids to move out of the way.

So If I was riding my car and little child came towards it Does that give me the right to run over him?

No.

And then arrogantly claim that the child was silly , I had to show him my strength and that no one is allowed to mess with me not even a child.

Have you watched the video? The driver did not want to run over the kids. He accidentally ran over them because the kids ran towards his car. The driver is not at fault here.

If this boy tried to sue the driver in court for damages, he would get nothing, based on the principle, "no action can arise under a blameworthy cause".

 

[Tyrion]

If the Israelis really came out with that ad, then that's pretty terrible. But to me, it doesn't seem likely that that's the case... Also, regarding the incident with the car, if what Guestfellow and Trumble say is true and it really was an accident, then I think people should drop it (I didn't watch the video, since I'm not particularly interested in seeing children being run over). Trust me, I feel for the Palestinians, and most people with a heartbeat feel for them too... And like most of you, I don't agree with Israels presence there... But like others have said, we can't just jump to the defense of every single Palestinian regardless of what they do, and we can't just attack every Israeli Jew simply because they're an Israeli Jew. Not all Israelis are bad people, just like how not all Palestinians are good people. All I've seen so far in this thread is people taking a story that probably isn't true, and turning it into an excuse to argue and attack groups of people again... You know, you can support a cause and fight injustice without turning into the people you claim to hate...

(Once again, I'm not trying to support Israel... In fact, I've tried hard not to say much regarding that particular issue or my positions regarding it, so hopefully I won't see too many people making assumptions... Also, if the guy who ran over the kids did do it on purpose, then that's just disgusting and it deserves our disapproval... But even then, it's important not to generalize and make assumptions there too.. We can voice our feelings regarding the evil acts committed by those specific people and those who support them, but when you start to use terms like "those Israelis" then you begin to build prejudice... Kind of the same way people generalize and form prejudices towards all Americans... Or even how people generalize all Muslims and form prejudices.)