Israeli forces attack aid Gaza aid flotilla, kill activists

[جوري]

Making holes in a complete piece of cloth is easy - everybody can do that. Taking a piece of cloth and making a dress out of it - is hard - a point for thought.

a piece of cloth isn't sufficient to cover the subject!


all the best

 

[Gabriel Ibn Yus]

a piece of cloth isn't sufficient to cover the subject!


all the best

I like the quote in your signature by the way - it is beautiful.

"who ever shows enmity to someone devoted to me I shall be at war with him...

.. the soul of My faithful servant : he hates death and I hate hurting him" (Al-Bukhari)

 

[جوري]

I like the quote in your signature by the way - it is beautiful.

"who ever shows enmity to someone devoted to me I shall be at war with him...

.. the soul of My faithful servant : he hates death and I hate hurting him" (Al-Bukhari)

Oh Good.. thank you.. you should know that the quote is speaking of someone who isn't only fulfilling the fard but also the nawafil that is what 'supererogatory' actually denotes!..

all the best

 

[Gabriel Ibn Yus]

Oh Good.. thank you.. you should know that the quote is speaking of someone who isn't only fulfilling the fard but also the nawafil that is what 'supererogatory' actually denotes!..

all the best

Look Lily. I am sorry for my initial instinctive answer. It hardly implies what I wanted to say and I for sure
did not want to come up as offensive. If you
feel that what I am saying or said is wrong - please just say it to me and I will take it into
consideration - really. I have came to the forum to share views but also, and maybe above all, to learn. I think
that it is our first communication - if you ever feel that I say wrong things - simply tell me and
I will take it into consideration and be able to correct my mistakes. Nobody is perfect and I am for sure
as far from perfect than possible but I wish to learn and become better.

 

[Rabi Mansur]

I agree with you there, but the sad part is when 'freedom of speech' costs her, her job there, but is applauded when it is lewd and offensive language or drawings when it comes to Islam.. the double standard is so loud it can slap you in the face..

Ameen Uchti. Very good point. I can't believe how fast she called it quits. Huge double standard. Huge.

:wa:

 

[جوري]

Ameen Uchti. Very good point. I can't believe how fast she called it quits. Huge double standard. Huge.

:wa:

she has made the news every day and they call her comment 'indefensible' lol.. what do they call the actions of Israel then? worthy of applause I guess!
amazing how they deflect from horror spanning decades with their double standard and fear mongering.. May God da mn them in this life and the one to come

ameen

 

[Ramadhan]

she has made the news every day and they call her comment 'indefensible' lol.. what do they call the actions of Israel then? worthy of applause I guess!
amazing how they deflect from horror spanning decades with their double standard and fear mongering.. May God da mn them in this life and the one to come

ameen

Ameen to the du'a!

Oh, those evil people have no idea what awaits them!

 

[Insaanah]

I always use http://www.islamic-relief.com/ for donations to Palestine.. is this the most reliable site?

Islamic relief is the largest, Muslim Hands and Muslim Aid are also good, as is Interpal.

Interpal is the British charity dedicated to helping the Palestinians.

Unfortunately the Israelis see Palestine as a malignant tumour (even though it was they who took over Palestinian land). A tumour is destroyed not only by killing it directly and prevent the cells from replicating, but also by preventing angiogenesis - a process by whereby new blood vessels develop to bring nutrients to the tumour to help it grow.

Similarly, Israel, by these blockades of aid to Gaza, is trying to prevent the development of any lifeline that may help the Palestinians.

Not only that, but Jews have also hurled false allegation after false allegation at Interpal, stating that it is supporting terrorism. The last of these almost resulted in closure of it's bank account, and an end to Interpal.

The provision of any kind of relief to Palestinians, whether by ship or through charity, infuriates Israel and some non-Israeli Jews.

Interpal has in the past sold bottles of Palestinian cold pressed extra virgin olive oil produced by Palestinian farmers; I don't know if they are still doing this.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/Peace

Poll: 49% of Americans Blame Pro-Palestinian Activists for Flotilla Death

By Haaretz

Ramussen poll: Only 19% of Americans believe Israel is to blame for clash aboard Gaza-bound aid ship Mavi Marmara last week.


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article25659.htm


The Real Threat Aboard the Freedom Flotilla

By Noam Chomsky

For decades, Israel has been hijacking boats between Cyprus and Lebanon and killing or kidnapping passengers, sometimes holding them hostage in Israeli prisons.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article25666.htm

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Where is the American Freedom Flotilla?

By Dr. Sama Adnan

Reacting to the complicity of their governments, the European Freedom Flotilla took the initiative to shed light on Israel's policies in the occupied territories. The American peace movement should emulate their success by setting its Freedom Flotilla a-sail.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article25665.htm

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While Israel Kills and Maims ...
The Outrage at Helen Thomas

By ALISON WEIR

People shot in the head, eyes and brain parts destroyed, the elderly beaten, small children and infants caused to suffer and die, parents to grieve - none of this has caused a hint of anger. In fact, most of it has been considered of too little importance even to report. Instead, media reports are filled with outrage at "anti-Israel" words spoken by 89-year-old Helen Thomas.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article25667.htm

 

[shuraimfan4lyf]

Not surprised^^^..Bunch of illiterate brainless people they are.

 

[جوري]

today a bunch of Jews were protesting in front of the U.S with 'shame on you turkey' Pickett signs .. between that and the 'travesty' that Helen committed asking them to go back to Europe **gasp** they have pretty much deflected the world's attention from the constant holocaust they impose daily on Palestinians..
I have to give it to them, they can take any situation to sway public opinion with their sob stories.. let me get out my violin.. it ha academy award written all over it!

 

[Candle]

Not surprised^^^..Bunch of illiterate brainless people they are.

I dunno. +5 million of those illiterate brainless people are Muslim, and it is the fastest growing faith in America.

 

[sister herb]

I dunno. +5 million of those illiterate brainless people are Muslim, and it is the fastest growing faith in America.

I know many muslims from USA and brainless or illiterate they aren´t.

:statisfie

Think a little what you write here!

 

[M.A.S.H.]

Islamic relief is the largest, Muslim Hands and Muslim Aid are also good, as is Interpal.

Interpal is the British charity dedicated to helping the Palestinians.

Unfortunately the Israelis see Palestine as a malignant tumour (even though it was they who took over Palestinian land). A tumour is destroyed not only by killing it directly and prevent the cells from replicating, but also by preventing angiogenesis - a process by whereby new blood vessels develop to bring nutrients to the tumour to help it grow.

Similarly, Israel, by these blockades of aid to Gaza, is trying to prevent the development of any lifeline that may help the Palestinians.

Not only that, but Jews have also hurled false allegation after false allegation at Interpal, stating that it is supporting terrorism. The last of these almost resulted in closure of it's bank account, and an end to Interpal.

The provision of any kind of relief to Palestinians, whether by ship or through charity, infuriates Israel and some non-Israeli Jews.

Interpal has in the past sold bottles of Palestinian cold pressed extra virgin olive oil produced by Palestinian farmers; I don't know if they are still doing this.

You're forgeting that this is just Gaza, two thirds of Palestinians live in the West bank and Israel.
Also keep in mind that not all Israelis support the blockade.

 

[M.A.S.H.]

Perhaps you should have read some of the articles written about her 'closet anti-semite' .. I am not sure how much longer they can milk that term, considering they are not in fact semites..
the rest of your gibber makes no sense and can't be made akin to the current situation. . firstly the Palestinians didn't occupy Palestine to get out of it, and they shouldn't have to dissolve to neighboring states to accommodate the colonial cockroach state of Israel.. It should be in fact the other way around and that shouldn't make an 'anti-Semite' of a woman who spoke a word of truth to the face of tyrants and she certainly shouldn't have to be made to retire because of it..

work on your logic ey?

Palestinians are occupiers, they're the descendants of Muslims invaders the same way Israelis are the descendants of first zionists. The difference is that a longer period has passed since the Muslim invasion.

 

[aadil77]

Palestinians are occupiers, they're the descendants of Muslims invaders the same way Israelis are the descendants of first zionists. The difference is that a longer period has passed since the Muslim invasion.

difference is 'muslim invaders' didn't evict and commit genocide against the population to occupy

 

[sister herb]

Whose land is this?

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Yotam Nir: Israel existed millenia before 1948, and since then there was no independent country in Israel until we reestablished it. Before you call people idiots, make sure you don't make one out of yourself...

Anyway, I don't think stating an undeniable historical fact can be considered as an attack on Palestine or as idiotic.

Another fact is that the "Palestinian" nation was invented in 1967. Why didn't anyone complain when Egypt and Jordan controlled Gaza and the West Bank?...

(Please don't make a fool of yourself the next time you respond to my "idiotic mouth")


This was his response to the posts calling him an idiot. We had the following discussion and I am just waiting his reply now.
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Mohammed Suliman: did you say Israel existed a millenia before 1948? Was there Israel, then? or-- I hope not-- you're talking about the existence of some scattered Jews on the land of Palestine during the Roman Empire? And by clinging to this fact, you and your Israeli friends, keep claiming that this land is yours. Have you ever heard of Canaanites? go read about them, and, then, perhaps, you will have a clearer vision.

Yotam Nir: Idiot. The Romans came to Israel in the first century B.C.E. The Israelis lived there much earlier There was no independent state in Israel between the time of ancient Israel and 1948 except for the brief Kingdom of Jerusalem (which was established by Europeans). But, having said that, what claim do the Arabs who since 1967 call themselves "Palestinians have to Israel?

Mohammed Suliman: Oh, cool. Now, we're gonna see who the real idiot is. First, when you say something, you bring me historical evidence; we're talking about history, and history is dates and numbers. So, this 'much earlier' doesn't work here. Go look for some date and bring it here, so we can decide whose existence on this land is earlier than the other. And those ... See MoreArabs' 'who call themselves Palestinians' origins date back to the 13th century BC when the Pelesit (from where the word Palestine originated) tribes came to this land. One more thing, I asked you a question and you didn't answer.

And hey, why does it seem you call everybody an idiot? do you feel you're one?


Yotam Nir: I'll start with a response to your last question so we can get that irrelevant issue out of the way. When did I call everybody an idiot? I responded to the previous wall post, where I was called an idiot for saying a historical fact, and then you came and posted what I'm sorry to say looked rather idiotic to me.

Okay, now let's get back to Israel... See More. I see you decided it's inappropriate to use "much earlier" here. Alright, so the earliest mention of the name Israel is in an Egyptian inscription from about 1207 BCE. Are you satisfied with that answer?

Next I'll adress your claim that the Palestinians (the name used by the Arabs who live in the region) are the descendents of the Philistines (an Aegan people, who as you say began settling the region in the 13th century BCE). The Philistines eventually declined, assimilating to a large degree with the native populations (which would include intermarriage and adoption of local deities). Therefore, your claim that the Palestinians (who, had they really been Philistines, I doubt would have waited until 1967 to use that to demand a right which I admit they would have deserved every bit as much as us, but not more, to the land) are the descendants of Philistines cannot be accurate.

Sorry I didn't answer your question. Do you mean the one about the Canaanites? Yes, I do know of them. What relevance they have to this argument, though, I am not sure.

Mohammed Suliman: OK. you don't need to suggest that what you say is a historical fact although it's absolutely correct. The reason for that is that you're turning a blind eye on some point of the history of Palestine which makes your claims completely misleading and unacceptable. So, I'm sorry to say you're wrong. And no, this land is for the Palestinians and you ... See Morebeing ignorant of the mere existence of the Canaanites is just terrible.

Now, let's divide the history of Palestine into four important eras (or let's say we're most concerned with these eras): the first which is the era that you missed out and which is the most important and significant era in the history of Palestine. It testified the existence of the Canaanites who are the forefathers of the Palestinians. This land is known as the Land of Canaan who is one of the four sons of Noah. This era dates back to 3000-4000 years BC.

the second is part of the era which you spoke of and which testified the existence of the Israelites. This was almost 1200-1400 BC.

the third is when the Pelest tribes traveled back to Palestine 1184 BC from the Cycladic Islands and other islands across Greece.

The fourth era we're concerned with is the Roman era when the Israelis we're crushed and expelled from Palestine by the Roman emperor Hadrian in 132 initiating what is known among you as the 'great dispersion'.

From that date onward, this land witnessed the presence of the Palestinians who are definitely the descendants of the Pelest (or the Philistines) till the Zionist movement managed to drive them away from their homes in 1948.

What I can't get is your claim the Palestine was invented in 1967. And you can be skeptical about history. Those Palestinians are the descendants of not only the Pelests but also of the Canaanites who are the first to inhabit this land.

What is interesting is how your great leaders and writers, when handling this issue, they just start from 132 AC and disregard a whole lot of more than 4000 years as if misleading other ignorant readers into believing that the land was the Israeli's throughout that period. You can trace this in 'The Death and Resurrection of Israel' by Arthur W. Kac.(1976)

Therefore, it's clear the first people to inhabit this land were the Palestinians. And it is the Israelis who came over to this land and drove the Palestinians who were living peacefully across the region from their homes. Your home is Poland, Germany, Russia, the Us and else where. Not Palestine. And I believe this is as plain to you as the nose on your face.

Mohammed Suliman: By the way, you came to justify your calling others 'idiots' and just fell into the same trap at once insisting on calling them so and making-- as you put it-- 'one of yourself'.

Perhaps you'd like to read this:
http://www.juancole.com/2010/03/top-...-does-not.html

 

[جوري]

Palestinians are occupiers, they're the descendants of Muslims invaders the same way Israelis are the descendants of first zionists. The difference is that a longer period has passed since the Muslim invasion.

you need to go back to school and either sit and pay attention or get your money back? People who convert aren't occupiers.. there weren't that many 'Muslim invaders' to populate the entire eastern, far eastern and part of the west..

nonetheless here is a short lesson in history and generally you should make a note to do some research before you write so we're not collectively mocking you for frank ignorance:

the land of Palestine was "supposedly" promised to the seed of Abraham. If one researches the Ancient Hebrew laws, the right of decent or nheritance is based on the eldest son, no matter whom the mother is. If this is the case, then the land was promised to Ishamel (for he was the eldest of Abraham's sons) and the Father of Palestinian Arabs. In addition, modern day Jews from Russia, Poland and most parts of Eastern Europe have NO genetic link to the ancient Hebrews - they for the most part are decendents of Khazars, who converted to Judaism in the 7th century (this has been documented by Jewish scholars, not Arabs). The modern day Palestinians can claim a more direct link to the Hebrew tribes than the founders of modern day "Israel." What the Western Press purposely avoids mentioning is the fact that at the start of the 20th century, less than 5% of the land of Palestine was Jewish. The modern State of Israel was built on lands illegally taken and assimilated from Palestinian Christians and Muslims. Also, the Hebrews only ruled the land of Palestine for a combined 411 years - the Muslims have ruled the land for 1,500 years. In addition, the land of Canaan (Palestine) had a history long before the Jewish tribes immigrated to the area.

get read fellow, on regular history and biblical history, so you are not so dazed and confused!

all the best

 

[Candle]

I know many muslims from USA and brainless or illiterate they aren´t.



Think a little what you write here!

Noo, I wasn't saying they were! Rather, I was arguing that they are not. It is just a turn of speech.

 

[M.A.S.H.]

you need to go back to school and either sit and pay attention or get your money back? People who convert aren't occupiers.. there weren't that many 'Muslim invaders' to populate the entire eastern, far eastern and part of the west..

nonetheless here is a short lesson in history and generally you should make a note to do some research before you write so we're not collectively mocking you for frank ignorance:

the land of Palestine was "supposedly" promised to the seed of Abraham. If one researches the Ancient Hebrew laws, the right of decent or nheritance is based on the eldest son, no matter whom the mother is. If this is the case, then the land was promised to Ishamel (for he was the eldest of Abraham's sons) and the Father of Palestinian Arabs. In addition, modern day Jews from Russia, Poland and most parts of Eastern Europe have NO genetic link to the ancient Hebrews - they for the most part are decendents of Khazars, who converted to Judaism in the 7th century (this has been documented by Jewish scholars, not Arabs). The modern day Palestinians can claim a more direct link to the Hebrew tribes than the founders of modern day "Israel." What the Western Press purposely avoids mentioning is the fact that at the start of the 20th century, less than 5% of the land of Palestine was Jewish. The modern State of Israel was built on lands illegally taken and assimilated from Palestinian Christians and Muslims. Also, the Hebrews only ruled the land of Palestine for a combined 411 years - the Muslims have ruled the land for 1,500 years. In addition, the land of Canaan (Palestine) had a history long before the Jewish tribes immigrated to the area.

get read fellow, on regular history and biblical history, so you are not so dazed and confused!

all the best

The muslim invaders came and conquered the land. What happened afterwards is of no concern to the fact that the land was indeed occupied and even if many people converted to Islam Arabs did settle there, mixed with the natives, today's Palestinians are Arabs, descendants of the pople who conquered the land, the same way young Israelis are.
You should read too, the Khazar has been disproven by genetic anylysys by jews and non-jews.
The Muslims ruled for 1200 years not 1500.
It was not illegal, it was handed over by the British and split by the UN, legal, but not necessarily legitimate and according tto the will of the people.