Israel's sex trafficking

yes, they have a lot of influence - as KAding said. but that is a far cry from theocracy. in fact, if they didn't have an external enemy the secular and religious would probably go to war with each other. (ah, the beauty of an external enemy!)
 
Wow. Talk about God's Chosen People.--Muslim Knight

Yeah they were till they killed their prophets, made the halal haram, and disobeyed Allah. No wonder they are the descendants of the pigs and monkeys they have no brains at all.I can't believe these cowards who are leaders of the Muslims actually gave it generoously to those qird and khanazeer.Allahuman surnah
 
As expounded by Shaykh Imran N. Hossein in his book Jerusalem in the Quran, the Zionists are not solely to blame for the various vices and wrongs that are happening inside Israel.

They're only acting upon what's been allowed in the Torah as result of corruption of the Scriptures by the previous rabbinical scholars.

Thus I can only agree on Aaron85 when he says theocracy have so much influence and power to dictate the direction where the secular authority of Israel is heading towards.

My only concern is the Jewish so vocal in claiming to be God's Chosen People. If it is indeed so they should present moral superiority rather than the opposite. They must show why they really deserve the Promised Land, acting as its moral guardian, rather than allow evil such as human trafficking that tantamount to slavery to be perpetrated.

Similarly when you claim to be a leader, you claim to be superior, hence you lose rights to claim yourself as a mere human being when you do wrong. If you cannot act morally superior then you'd better come down here and join us masses of mere human being.
 
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Muslim Knight said:
As expounded by Shaykh Imran N. Hossein in his book Jerusalem in the Quran, the Zionists are not solely to blame for the various vices and wrongs that are happening inside Israel.

They're only acting upon what's been allowed in the Torah as result of corruption of the Scriptures by the previous rabbinical scholars.

Thus I can only agree on Aaron85 when he says theocracy have so much influence and power to dictate the direction where the secular authority of Israel is heading towards.

My only concern is the Jewish so vocal in claiming to be God's Chosen People. If it is indeed so they should present moral superiority rather than the opposite. They must show why they really deserve the Promised Land, acting as its moral guardian, rather than allow evil such as human trafficking that tantamount to slavery to be perpetrated.

Similarly when you claim to be a leader, you claim to be superior, hence you lose rights to claim yourself as a mere human being when you do wrong. If you cannot act morally superior then you'd better come down here and join us masses of mere human being.
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Well, you should notice that only about 25 % of Israeli citizens are ultraotrhodox Jews. The rest are secular Jews (which means all kinds of people like reformed Jews, conservative Jews,agnostic Jews,) and Arabs.
In Israel average ultraorthodox family has more than 7 children, which is three time more than secular Jews and two times more than Arabs have. Probably in 2050 A.D orthodox Jews will make up about 80 % of israeli Jews.
 
If you're secular, would you be allowed to make claim upon the basis from a religious book?
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I think the question is somehow defective. Let me rephrase it again.

If you're secular, would it be fair to allow you to make claim on a land upon the basis from a religious book?
 
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If you're secular, would you be allowed to make claim upon the basis from a religious book?

It's like a mechanic trying to repair a car engine while professing not to be a doctor, but taking cues from books on Medicines.
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Well, the truth is that most probably this century,XXI, will be very religious, in all continents. It's also due to the fact that very religious people have more children than the secular ones.It is seen especially in Israel, but also in muslim world and even in Europe.So we just can't help it. Its a fact.:)
 
Aaron85 said:
Well, you should notice that only about 25 % of Israeli citizens are ultraotrhodox Jews. The rest are secular Jews (which means all kinds of people like reformed Jews, conservative Jews,agnostic Jews,) and Arabs.
In Israel average ultraorthodox family has more than 7 children, which is three time more than secular Jews and two times more than Arabs have. Probably in 2050 A.D orthodox Jews will make up about 80 % of israeli Jews.
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Of course, this assumes all Jews born in an Orthodox family will become Orthodox themselves. Using that logic, for example, no Christian country could ever have become secularized?
 
KAding said:
Of course, this assumes all Jews born in an Orthodox family will become Orthodox themselves. Using that logic, for example, no Christian country could ever have become secularized?
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If we notice that Orthodoxes families have their own school system, their own streets and suburbs, where they dont have contact with secular citizens it is highly possible.
You also forgot to mention that secular Jews can become orthodoxes.
 
in spite of Israel having democracy and secular establishments I was surprised to hear this;50 per cent of Israelis have considered themselves as conservatives in one survey.

it just shows trafficking happens everywhere;nothing else much eh?
 
Muslim Knight said:
by virtue of being the much coveted Promised Land, it shouldn't have occurred there. but it did and still does.
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As far as I'm aware, every country has organized crime and blackmarkets. Regardless of how much regulations you may have, if the demand is great enough, there will be people to "supply" you.

Also wanted to add in regards to Zionism, its a nationalist movement justifying itself thru ethocentrality. It may have some religious overtones, but that certainly isn't the main motivating factor.
 
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Muslim Knight said:
As expounded by Shaykh Imran N. Hossein in his book Jerusalem in the Quran, the Zionists are not solely to blame for the various vices and wrongs that are happening inside Israel.

They're only acting upon what's been allowed in the Torah as result of corruption of the Scriptures by the previous rabbinical scholars.

Thus I can only agree on Aaron85 when he says theocracy have so much influence and power to dictate the direction where the secular authority of Israel is heading towards.

My only concern is the Jewish so vocal in claiming to be God's Chosen People. If it is indeed so they should present moral superiority rather than the opposite. They must show why they really deserve the Promised Land, acting as its moral guardian, rather than allow evil such as human trafficking that tantamount to slavery to be perpetrated.

Similarly when you claim to be a leader, you claim to be superior, hence you lose rights to claim yourself as a mere human being when you do wrong. If you cannot act morally superior then you'd better come down here and join us masses of mere human being.
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your claim that because the zionists used religion as the pretext for deserving a state, they should practice it makes sense. but then you contradict yourself by claiming that "They're only acting upon what's been allowed in the Torah as result of corruption of the Scriptures by the previous rabbinical scholars"
if this is true, then they are living up to their evil and corrupt religion which condones sex trafficking and exploitation!! ;D
 
snakelegs said:
your claim that because the zionists used religion as the pretext for deserving a state, they should practice it makes sense. but then you contradict yourself by claiming that "They're only acting upon what's been allowed in the Torah as result of corruption of the Scriptures by the previous rabbinical scholars"
if this is true, then they are living up to their evil and corrupt religion which condones sex trafficking and exploitation!! ;D
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I would say rather it's their contradiction. Then again if it is true, it would be much simpler to deal with the problem, now wouldn't it?
 
Muslim Knight said:
I would say rather it's their contradiction. Then again if it is true, it would be much simpler to deal with the problem, now wouldn't it?
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how is it a contradiction? israel is a secular state. zionism is a secular ideology. why shouldn't israel be just as evil as everybody else?
sex trafficking goes on all over the world. it is just another manifestion of exploiting poor people. it's horrible. so is trafficking in body parts, in children etc etc.
 
snakelegs said:
how is it a contradiction? israel is a secular state. zionism is a secular ideology. why shouldn't israel be just as evil as everybody else?
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As I asked earlier on, would it be fair for secular people to make claim on a land on the basis that is extracted from religious text (assuming that the Torah says God gave the Promised Land to Jewish people)? There lies the contradiction, snakelegs. This is not my contradiction.

sex trafficking goes on all over the world. it is just another manifestion of exploiting poor people. it's horrible. so is trafficking in body parts, in children etc etc.
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That I agree. Which is why people with religious values must see this as a serious problem that need solving.
 
Its a shame to see things like this. If only people could get over this sex trade taboo we'd have it above board and trafficking sex slaves would be so unprofitable that it'd die out.
 
Muslim Knight said:
As I asked earlier on, would it be fair for secular people to make claim on a land on the basis that is extracted from religious text (assuming that the Torah says God gave the Promised Land to Jewish people)? There lies the contradiction, snakelegs. This is not my contradiction.



That I agree. Which is why people with religious values must see this as a serious problem that need solving.
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would it be fair? no. but here we are.
 
Pygoscelis said:
Its a shame to see things like this. If only people could get over this sex trade taboo we'd have it above board and trafficking sex slaves would be so unprofitable that it'd die out.
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Its the oldest job in the world and if a miracle didn't happen with the human nature never will die out.
 

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