since you beleive that Jesus is a prophet then why don't you beleive what him and his deciples went through they literally saw him and God and worshiped him. read the Bible it clearly states that he is not just prophet but God in the Trinity. FATHER SON HOLY SPIRIT
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Hello Acer,
Muslims believe that Jesus was not only a Prophet but one of the great Messengers of God. He never called anyone to worship him, rather he only called to the worship of the one true God. This is clearly mentioned in the Qur’an, a scripture which was revealed by God and remains uncorrupted in its pure, original form even today.
The following verses are particularly relevant (translation of the meaning):
And ˹on Judgment Day˺ Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you ever ask the people to worship you and your mother as gods besides Allah?” He will answer, “Glory be to You! How could I ever say what I had no right to say? If I had said such a thing, you would have certainly known it. You know what is ˹hidden˺ within me, but I do not know what is within You. Indeed, You ˹alone˺ are the Knower of all unseen.
I never told them anything except what You ordered me to say: “Worship Allah—my Lord and your Lord!” And I was witness over them as long as I remained among them. But when You took me,1 You were the Witness over them—and You are a Witness over all things. [5:116-117]
We do not regard the Bible as an authority. It is written by unknown authors many decades after Jesus walked this earth and it has undergone numerous changes over time.
Muslims believe that Jesus was not only a Prophet but one of the great Messengers of God. He never called anyone to worship him, rather he only called to the worship of the one true God. This is clearly mentioned in the Qur’an, a scripture which was revealed by God and remains uncorrupted in its pure, original form even today.
The following verses are particularly relevant (translation of the meaning):
And ˹on Judgment Day˺ Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you ever ask the people to worship you and your mother as gods besides Allah?” He will answer, “Glory be to You! How could I ever say what I had no right to say? If I had said such a thing, you would have certainly known it. You know what is ˹hidden˺ within me, but I do not know what is within You. Indeed, You ˹alone˺ are the Knower of all unseen.
I never told them anything except what You ordered me to say: “Worship Allah—my Lord and your Lord!” And I was witness over them as long as I remained among them. But when You took me,1 You were the Witness over them—and You are a Witness over all things. [5:116-117]
We do not regard the Bible as an authority. It is written by unknown authors many decades after Jesus walked this earth and it has undergone numerous changes over time.
This is one of the several mistranslation examples in the Bible. Original Greek word used here is “προσεκύνησαν”(prosekýnisan
) which means “bowed down”. Actual word for “worshiped” in Greek is “λάτρευαν”(latrevan). Different words. Trinitarian Christianity mistranslates Gospels to make it appear confirming divinity of Jesus. Also I asked for disciples. These were some random guys in the boat.
Hey guys, I'm new here and was looking at your conversation. And i respectfully wanted to say that the Bible not only states several times that Jesus is God, but it also shows many things He did that are characteristic of a divine role. I will list them below:
JESUS IS IDENTIFIES HIMSELF AS GOD
John 10:30 – “I and the Father are one”
> Jesus affirms unity with God. Jews understood this as blasphemy (John 10:31–33)
John 8:58 – “Before Abraham was, I am”
>Jesus uses the divine title “I Am” (YHWH).
John 14:9 – “Whoever has seen me has seen the Father
>Shows deep identification with God.
Matthew 28:18 – “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me”
>Jesus claims universal authority.
Matthew 21:9 – Triumphal Entry
>“Hosanna to the Son of David!” Crowds Shows a Kind of praise to Jesus and he accepts it.
Matthew 14:33 – Jesus calms the storm
>Disciples say, “Truly you are the Son of God,” acknowledging divine authority.
Matthew 20:28 – “The SON OF MAN came not to be served, but to serve”
>Shows humility and purpose of mission.
Matthew 28:9 – Jesus meets disciples after resurrection
Matthew 3:17 – Baptism
>“This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” God exalts Jesus, not Himself.
Matthew 17:5 – Transfiguration
>Jesus goes to a mountain with disciple and God says “This is my beloved Son; listen to Him!” Praise comes FROM Father; Jesus remains obedient.
John 17:3 – “Eternal life is to know the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You sent”
>Jesus shows eternal life comes through relationship with the Father through Him; union in the Trinity, not denial of divinity.
Matthew 4:10 – “Worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only”
>Functional submission to the Father during incarnation; DOES NOT negate divinity.
Matthew 1:21 - “She will bear a son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.”
>The passage presents Jesus, even before His birth, as: The one who saves from sins — a divine role.
JESUS DIVINE ACTIONS
Mark 2:5–7 – Jesus forgives sins
>The scribes ask, “Who can forgive sins but God?”
John 5:18 – “They sought to kill Him… claiming to be equal with God”
>Jewish leaders interpreted Jesus’ words as divine, not merely Messiah.
John 8:59 – Attempt to stone Him
Reaction to “I Am” statement, perceived as divine claim.
Luke 22:19–20: “This is my body… This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.”
> In the Old Testament, only God establishes covenants, prophets announce God’s covenants; they do not create them.But at the Last Supper, Jesus declares: the covenant belongs to Him, this is a direct indication of divine prerogative.
Luke 22:19: “Do this in remembrance of ME.”
>No prophet ever commanded a ritual of worship centered on themselves.Jesus presents Himself as the object of sacred remembrance — a sign of divinity.
>In the Old Testament: blood represents life (Leviticus 17:11) and sacrificial blood brings atonement. sacrifices are always offered to God, never by prophets using themselves. BUT Jesus declares that: His body will be given for others, His blood will be the atonement and that he Himself is the sacrifice that brings forgiveness and salvation. This is more than prophetic symbolism — it is divine action.
John 6:53–54: “Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you… whoever does this has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.”
>Giving eternal life and resurrection are divine roles.
John 19:30 — “It is finished.”
> Jesus completes the redemptive work in the lasLast Supper, only God can accomplish that.
Mark 10:45 - “For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life as a ransom for many.”
>This is an explicit statement: “ransom” (Greek: lytron) means a payment that frees others. “for many” matches the language of Isaiah 53 (“He bore the sins of many”).
➡ Jesus Himself identifies His death as a substitutionary sacrifice
Matthew 16:16 - “Simon Peter answered, ‘You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.’”
>This confession occurs after Jesus asks the disciples who people say He is and then asks, “But who do you say that I am?” Peter’s answer is a personal, revelatory confession. Jesus immediately BLESSES Peter, attributing the insight to revelation from the Father.
John 20:28 - Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”
>This occurs after the resurrection: Thomas had previously refused to believe the other disciples’ report. Jesus appears, shows Thomas his wounds, and then Thomas responds with this confession.
JESUS IS IDENTIFIES HIMSELF AS GOD
John 10:30 – “I and the Father are one”
> Jesus affirms unity with God. Jews understood this as blasphemy (John 10:31–33)
John 8:58 – “Before Abraham was, I am”
>Jesus uses the divine title “I Am” (YHWH).
John 14:9 – “Whoever has seen me has seen the Father
>Shows deep identification with God.
Matthew 28:18 – “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me”
>Jesus claims universal authority.
Matthew 21:9 – Triumphal Entry
>“Hosanna to the Son of David!” Crowds Shows a Kind of praise to Jesus and he accepts it.
Matthew 14:33 – Jesus calms the storm
>Disciples say, “Truly you are the Son of God,” acknowledging divine authority.
Matthew 20:28 – “The SON OF MAN came not to be served, but to serve”
>Shows humility and purpose of mission.
Matthew 28:9 – Jesus meets disciples after resurrection
Matthew 3:17 – Baptism
>“This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” God exalts Jesus, not Himself.
Matthew 17:5 – Transfiguration
>Jesus goes to a mountain with disciple and God says “This is my beloved Son; listen to Him!” Praise comes FROM Father; Jesus remains obedient.
John 17:3 – “Eternal life is to know the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You sent”
>Jesus shows eternal life comes through relationship with the Father through Him; union in the Trinity, not denial of divinity.
Matthew 4:10 – “Worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only”
>Functional submission to the Father during incarnation; DOES NOT negate divinity.
Matthew 1:21 - “She will bear a son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.”
>The passage presents Jesus, even before His birth, as: The one who saves from sins — a divine role.
JESUS DIVINE ACTIONS
Mark 2:5–7 – Jesus forgives sins
>The scribes ask, “Who can forgive sins but God?”
John 5:18 – “They sought to kill Him… claiming to be equal with God”
>Jewish leaders interpreted Jesus’ words as divine, not merely Messiah.
John 8:59 – Attempt to stone Him
Reaction to “I Am” statement, perceived as divine claim.
Luke 22:19–20: “This is my body… This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.”
> In the Old Testament, only God establishes covenants, prophets announce God’s covenants; they do not create them.But at the Last Supper, Jesus declares: the covenant belongs to Him, this is a direct indication of divine prerogative.
Luke 22:19: “Do this in remembrance of ME.”
>No prophet ever commanded a ritual of worship centered on themselves.Jesus presents Himself as the object of sacred remembrance — a sign of divinity.
>In the Old Testament: blood represents life (Leviticus 17:11) and sacrificial blood brings atonement. sacrifices are always offered to God, never by prophets using themselves. BUT Jesus declares that: His body will be given for others, His blood will be the atonement and that he Himself is the sacrifice that brings forgiveness and salvation. This is more than prophetic symbolism — it is divine action.
John 6:53–54: “Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you… whoever does this has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.”
>Giving eternal life and resurrection are divine roles.
John 19:30 — “It is finished.”
> Jesus completes the redemptive work in the lasLast Supper, only God can accomplish that.
Mark 10:45 - “For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life as a ransom for many.”
>This is an explicit statement: “ransom” (Greek: lytron) means a payment that frees others. “for many” matches the language of Isaiah 53 (“He bore the sins of many”).
➡ Jesus Himself identifies His death as a substitutionary sacrifice
Matthew 16:16 - “Simon Peter answered, ‘You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.’”
>This confession occurs after Jesus asks the disciples who people say He is and then asks, “But who do you say that I am?” Peter’s answer is a personal, revelatory confession. Jesus immediately BLESSES Peter, attributing the insight to revelation from the Father.
John 20:28 - Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”
>This occurs after the resurrection: Thomas had previously refused to believe the other disciples’ report. Jesus appears, shows Thomas his wounds, and then Thomas responds with this confession.
Welcome Christian. I just want your opinion of Mark 10:17-18 “As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.
I appreciate your message, Anatolian. As the Bible says many times: 'The Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve and to give his life as a ransom for many.' So that is a good example, but he simply wants to emphasize his humility and make a reflection around the word 'good,' and that God alone is good. That does not necessarily negate his divinity nor affirm it, but emphasizes that perfect goodness comes from God, and since he is God… it seems pretty simple to me.
But please take a look at the verses that I sent, because one 'controversial' verse wouldn't be enough to negate all of them. because honestly, I admire a lot your faith and devotion; I know very few Christians with such faith, but historically speaking, there are too many inconsistencies. For example: how is it possible to deny the crucifixion when that's one of the most historically attested events regarding the life of Christ? How can one speak of a corruption of the Bible when it was recognized exactly as it is today by the primitive church around two centuries after Christ and has more than 5,800 INDEPENDENT manuscripts? How is it that the Mohammed repeats the exact same stories about Jesus that were present in non-accepted apocrypha, which at his time and region were widely known and accepted (though historically weak and not accepted by the primitive church)?
One more example: after his resurrection, in Matthew 28:18–20, Jesus says, 'All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.' Before that, the disciples didn't fully understand the message, but after they saw Jesus resurrected, they worshiped him (Matthew 28:17), and they were so sure of it that they went all over the world to spread the Gospels and died for it. And not just simple deaths—many were atrociously killed to spread the word because they were certain about the message.
Hi again Christian. Actually this is not a controversial verse. It is only controversial to Christians. Jesus clearly doesnt claim to be God in this verse. Because the question he asks is a rhetoric question; “why are you calling me good? No one is good except God alone” means “only God is good and since I am not God, dont call me good”. This kind of rhetorics can be found in every culture. It is not so difficult to understand this.
As for Matthew 28:17. Again There is mistranslation here. In the original Greek it says “as they saw him they bowed down”. It doesnt say “they worshiped him”. Trinitarian translation translates “bowed down” as “ worship” and puts a “him” after it although there is no “him” in the original text.