since you beleive that Jesus is a prophet then why don't you beleive what him and his deciples went through they literally saw him and God and worshiped him. read the Bible it clearly states that he is not just prophet but God in the Trinity. FATHER SON HOLY SPIRIT
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Hello Acer,
Muslims believe that Jesus was not only a Prophet but one of the great Messengers of God. He never called anyone to worship him, rather he only called to the worship of the one true God. This is clearly mentioned in the Qur’an, a scripture which was revealed by God and remains uncorrupted in its pure, original form even today.
The following verses are particularly relevant (translation of the meaning):
And ˹on Judgment Day˺ Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you ever ask the people to worship you and your mother as gods besides Allah?” He will answer, “Glory be to You! How could I ever say what I had no right to say? If I had said such a thing, you would have certainly known it. You know what is ˹hidden˺ within me, but I do not know what is within You. Indeed, You ˹alone˺ are the Knower of all unseen.
I never told them anything except what You ordered me to say: “Worship Allah—my Lord and your Lord!” And I was witness over them as long as I remained among them. But when You took me,1 You were the Witness over them—and You are a Witness over all things. [5:116-117]
We do not regard the Bible as an authority. It is written by unknown authors many decades after Jesus walked this earth and it has undergone numerous changes over time.
Muslims believe that Jesus was not only a Prophet but one of the great Messengers of God. He never called anyone to worship him, rather he only called to the worship of the one true God. This is clearly mentioned in the Qur’an, a scripture which was revealed by God and remains uncorrupted in its pure, original form even today.
The following verses are particularly relevant (translation of the meaning):
And ˹on Judgment Day˺ Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you ever ask the people to worship you and your mother as gods besides Allah?” He will answer, “Glory be to You! How could I ever say what I had no right to say? If I had said such a thing, you would have certainly known it. You know what is ˹hidden˺ within me, but I do not know what is within You. Indeed, You ˹alone˺ are the Knower of all unseen.
I never told them anything except what You ordered me to say: “Worship Allah—my Lord and your Lord!” And I was witness over them as long as I remained among them. But when You took me,1 You were the Witness over them—and You are a Witness over all things. [5:116-117]
We do not regard the Bible as an authority. It is written by unknown authors many decades after Jesus walked this earth and it has undergone numerous changes over time.
This is one of the several mistranslation examples in the Bible. Original Greek word used here is “προσεκύνησαν”(prosekýnisan
) which means “bowed down”. Actual word for “worshiped” in Greek is “λάτρευαν”(latrevan). Different words. Trinitarian Christianity mistranslates Gospels to make it appear confirming divinity of Jesus. Also I asked for disciples. These were some random guys in the boat.
Hey guys, I'm new here and was looking at your conversation. And i respectfully wanted to say that the Bible not only states several times that Jesus is God, but it also shows many things He did that are characteristic of a divine role. I will list them below:
JESUS IS IDENTIFIES HIMSELF AS GOD
John 10:30 – “I and the Father are one”
> Jesus affirms unity with God. Jews understood this as blasphemy (John 10:31–33)
John 8:58 – “Before Abraham was, I am”
>Jesus uses the divine title “I Am” (YHWH).
John 14:9 – “Whoever has seen me has seen the Father
>Shows deep identification with God.
Matthew 28:18 – “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me”
>Jesus claims universal authority.
Matthew 21:9 – Triumphal Entry
>“Hosanna to the Son of David!” Crowds Shows a Kind of praise to Jesus and he accepts it.
Matthew 14:33 – Jesus calms the storm
>Disciples say, “Truly you are the Son of God,” acknowledging divine authority.
Matthew 20:28 – “The SON OF MAN came not to be served, but to serve”
>Shows humility and purpose of mission.
Matthew 28:9 – Jesus meets disciples after resurrection
Matthew 3:17 – Baptism
>“This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” God exalts Jesus, not Himself.
Matthew 17:5 – Transfiguration
>Jesus goes to a mountain with disciple and God says “This is my beloved Son; listen to Him!” Praise comes FROM Father; Jesus remains obedient.
John 17:3 – “Eternal life is to know the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You sent”
>Jesus shows eternal life comes through relationship with the Father through Him; union in the Trinity, not denial of divinity.
Matthew 4:10 – “Worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only”
>Functional submission to the Father during incarnation; DOES NOT negate divinity.
Matthew 1:21 - “She will bear a son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.”
>The passage presents Jesus, even before His birth, as: The one who saves from sins — a divine role.
JESUS DIVINE ACTIONS
Mark 2:5–7 – Jesus forgives sins
>The scribes ask, “Who can forgive sins but God?”
John 5:18 – “They sought to kill Him… claiming to be equal with God”
>Jewish leaders interpreted Jesus’ words as divine, not merely Messiah.
John 8:59 – Attempt to stone Him
Reaction to “I Am” statement, perceived as divine claim.
Luke 22:19–20: “This is my body… This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.”
> In the Old Testament, only God establishes covenants, prophets announce God’s covenants; they do not create them.But at the Last Supper, Jesus declares: the covenant belongs to Him, this is a direct indication of divine prerogative.
Luke 22:19: “Do this in remembrance of ME.”
>No prophet ever commanded a ritual of worship centered on themselves.Jesus presents Himself as the object of sacred remembrance — a sign of divinity.
>In the Old Testament: blood represents life (Leviticus 17:11) and sacrificial blood brings atonement. sacrifices are always offered to God, never by prophets using themselves. BUT Jesus declares that: His body will be given for others, His blood will be the atonement and that he Himself is the sacrifice that brings forgiveness and salvation. This is more than prophetic symbolism — it is divine action.
John 6:53–54: “Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you… whoever does this has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.”
>Giving eternal life and resurrection are divine roles.
John 19:30 — “It is finished.”
> Jesus completes the redemptive work in the lasLast Supper, only God can accomplish that.
Mark 10:45 - “For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life as a ransom for many.”
>This is an explicit statement: “ransom” (Greek: lytron) means a payment that frees others. “for many” matches the language of Isaiah 53 (“He bore the sins of many”).
➡ Jesus Himself identifies His death as a substitutionary sacrifice
Matthew 16:16 - “Simon Peter answered, ‘You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.’”
>This confession occurs after Jesus asks the disciples who people say He is and then asks, “But who do you say that I am?” Peter’s answer is a personal, revelatory confession. Jesus immediately BLESSES Peter, attributing the insight to revelation from the Father.
John 20:28 - Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”
>This occurs after the resurrection: Thomas had previously refused to believe the other disciples’ report. Jesus appears, shows Thomas his wounds, and then Thomas responds with this confession.
JESUS IS IDENTIFIES HIMSELF AS GOD
John 10:30 – “I and the Father are one”
> Jesus affirms unity with God. Jews understood this as blasphemy (John 10:31–33)
John 8:58 – “Before Abraham was, I am”
>Jesus uses the divine title “I Am” (YHWH).
John 14:9 – “Whoever has seen me has seen the Father
>Shows deep identification with God.
Matthew 28:18 – “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me”
>Jesus claims universal authority.
Matthew 21:9 – Triumphal Entry
>“Hosanna to the Son of David!” Crowds Shows a Kind of praise to Jesus and he accepts it.
Matthew 14:33 – Jesus calms the storm
>Disciples say, “Truly you are the Son of God,” acknowledging divine authority.
Matthew 20:28 – “The SON OF MAN came not to be served, but to serve”
>Shows humility and purpose of mission.
Matthew 28:9 – Jesus meets disciples after resurrection
Matthew 3:17 – Baptism
>“This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” God exalts Jesus, not Himself.
Matthew 17:5 – Transfiguration
>Jesus goes to a mountain with disciple and God says “This is my beloved Son; listen to Him!” Praise comes FROM Father; Jesus remains obedient.
John 17:3 – “Eternal life is to know the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You sent”
>Jesus shows eternal life comes through relationship with the Father through Him; union in the Trinity, not denial of divinity.
Matthew 4:10 – “Worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only”
>Functional submission to the Father during incarnation; DOES NOT negate divinity.
Matthew 1:21 - “She will bear a son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.”
>The passage presents Jesus, even before His birth, as: The one who saves from sins — a divine role.
JESUS DIVINE ACTIONS
Mark 2:5–7 – Jesus forgives sins
>The scribes ask, “Who can forgive sins but God?”
John 5:18 – “They sought to kill Him… claiming to be equal with God”
>Jewish leaders interpreted Jesus’ words as divine, not merely Messiah.
John 8:59 – Attempt to stone Him
Reaction to “I Am” statement, perceived as divine claim.
Luke 22:19–20: “This is my body… This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.”
> In the Old Testament, only God establishes covenants, prophets announce God’s covenants; they do not create them.But at the Last Supper, Jesus declares: the covenant belongs to Him, this is a direct indication of divine prerogative.
Luke 22:19: “Do this in remembrance of ME.”
>No prophet ever commanded a ritual of worship centered on themselves.Jesus presents Himself as the object of sacred remembrance — a sign of divinity.
>In the Old Testament: blood represents life (Leviticus 17:11) and sacrificial blood brings atonement. sacrifices are always offered to God, never by prophets using themselves. BUT Jesus declares that: His body will be given for others, His blood will be the atonement and that he Himself is the sacrifice that brings forgiveness and salvation. This is more than prophetic symbolism — it is divine action.
John 6:53–54: “Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you… whoever does this has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.”
>Giving eternal life and resurrection are divine roles.
John 19:30 — “It is finished.”
> Jesus completes the redemptive work in the lasLast Supper, only God can accomplish that.
Mark 10:45 - “For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life as a ransom for many.”
>This is an explicit statement: “ransom” (Greek: lytron) means a payment that frees others. “for many” matches the language of Isaiah 53 (“He bore the sins of many”).
➡ Jesus Himself identifies His death as a substitutionary sacrifice
Matthew 16:16 - “Simon Peter answered, ‘You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.’”
>This confession occurs after Jesus asks the disciples who people say He is and then asks, “But who do you say that I am?” Peter’s answer is a personal, revelatory confession. Jesus immediately BLESSES Peter, attributing the insight to revelation from the Father.
John 20:28 - Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”
>This occurs after the resurrection: Thomas had previously refused to believe the other disciples’ report. Jesus appears, shows Thomas his wounds, and then Thomas responds with this confession.
Welcome Christian. I just want your opinion of Mark 10:17-18 “As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.
I appreciate your message, Anatolian. As the Bible says many times: 'The Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve and to give his life as a ransom for many.' So that is a good example, but he simply wants to emphasize his humility and make a reflection around the word 'good,' and that God alone is good. That does not necessarily negate his divinity nor affirm it, but emphasizes that perfect goodness comes from God, and since he is God… it seems pretty simple to me.
But please take a look at the verses that I sent, because one 'controversial' verse wouldn't be enough to negate all of them. because honestly, I admire a lot your faith and devotion; I know very few Christians with such faith, but historically speaking, there are too many inconsistencies. For example: how is it possible to deny the crucifixion when that's one of the most historically attested events regarding the life of Christ? How can one speak of a corruption of the Bible when it was recognized exactly as it is today by the primitive church around two centuries after Christ and has more than 5,800 INDEPENDENT manuscripts? How is it that the Mohammed repeats the exact same stories about Jesus that were present in non-accepted apocrypha, which at his time and region were widely known and accepted (though historically weak and not accepted by the primitive church)?
One more example: after his resurrection, in Matthew 28:18–20, Jesus says, 'All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.' Before that, the disciples didn't fully understand the message, but after they saw Jesus resurrected, they worshiped him (Matthew 28:17), and they were so sure of it that they went all over the world to spread the Gospels and died for it. And not just simple deaths—many were atrociously killed to spread the word because they were certain about the message.
Hi again Christian. Actually this is not a controversial verse. It is only controversial to Christians. Jesus clearly doesnt claim to be God in this verse. Because the question he asks is a rhetoric question; “why are you calling me good? No one is good except God alone” means “only God is good and since I am not God, dont call me good”. This kind of rhetorics can be found in every culture. It is not so difficult to understand this.
As for Matthew 28:17. Again There is mistranslation here. In the original Greek it says “as they saw him they bowed down”. It doesnt say “they worshiped him”. Trinitarian translation translates “bowed down” as “ worship” and puts a “him” after it although there is no “him” in the original text.
Thanks for your answer Anatolian. I understand the point, but the message remains the same. I could show to you that the verse was making a reflection around the word "good". And even if "only God is good", but Jesus is God, where would be the problem.
Now think honestly with me: this person forgave sins according to the apostles, was affirmed to be God plenty of times, predicted His death and resurrection—and it happened as he said. He fulfilled around 40–60 explicit prophecies from the Old testament, received all authority in heaven and on earth according to Mathew, is praised multiple times and accepts it. At His baptism a voice from heaven says, “This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased” (Matthew 3:17). In the Transfiguration (Matthew 17:5), God Himself says, “This is my beloved Son; listen to Him!” (God praises the Son, as the son can praise the Father). Matthew 1:21 says that Mary would bear a son, and “you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.” And I ask, who can forgive sins? Never in the Bible could a mere prophet forgive sins—only God. The Bible affirms multiple times that the leaders wanted to kill Him because a mere man claimed to be God. In Luke 22, it is said, “Do this in remembrance of Me.” No prophet EVER commanded a ritual of worship centered on themselves, but Jesus presents Himself as the object of sacred remembrance—a clear sign of divinity.
Do you understand what I mean? Of course, there are one or two verses where someone might argue for a crazy parallel idea that does not imply His divinity, but to do this for every single verse would be absurd and would only weaken the narrative, I sent you the verses, you saw what I mean. We are talking about people who actually walked with Him, built churches in His name and died for HIM. These same apostles also agreed with Paul in Galatians 2:9, a man who taught about grace, which matches the exact same New Covenant promised by Jesus. Also, how could one deny His crucifixion, when it is one of the most certain facts about His life and considered one of the most certain events in ancient history, attested by Josephus and Tacitus, historians who lived at the time of Christ and recorded these events.
Mathew 13:13-15
“This is why I speak to them in parables: ‘Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand. In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: ‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.’”
The Bible alerts us of lack of understanding
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Hello Cristian,
The question is whether Jesus عليه السلام ever said, unequivocally, that he was God or told people to worship him. The Qur'an mentions how Jesus عليه السلام clearly taught people to worship God alone and that he never ascribed divinity to himself.
One of the problems with the Bible verses that you’ve quoted, putting aside the fact that they are written by anonymous authors whose credentials, motives and authority are unknown, is that they are ambiguous at best. For example, the title ‘son of God’ is often used in the Bible to mean a close relationship to God or having authority given by God. Romans 18:14 mentions that, 'For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God'. Adam is thus called a 'son' of God in Luke 3:38. So Jesus being praised, respected or being called the 'son of God' does not mean he is God. Prophets are frequently praised and given honourable mention by God in Scripture and this does not mean they have divine status.
Let's have a look at some of the verses you quoted:
Jesus does not use the complete phrase in Exodus 3:14a, nor the partial (shortened) phrase in Exodus 3:14b, but instead used “egō eimi” which was a common expression in Greek to identify oneself as the person being talked about, i.e. “I am he” or “I am the one” (Matt. 14:27; Mark 13:6; etc.).
Thomas' remark here does not prove that Jesus is God because, firstly, these are Thomas' words and, secondly, the verse does not explicitly assign the title “God” to Jesus. It does not read, “You are my Lord and my God,” instead, Thomas simply says both of these titles and one is left to assume what he means. Some verses earlier within the same context in John 20:17, God is distinguished from Jesus: 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God’. Jesus is saying he has a God. So its strange to assume Thomas is referring to Jesus as God, because how could God have a God? This is why some Christians interpreted his statement to refer to two different entities.
Eusebius (c. 260'c. 340) was the Bishop of Caesarea and is known as 'the Father of Church History.' He quotes many verses in his writings, and Matthew 28:19 is one of them. He never quotes it as it appears today in modern Bibles, but always finishes the verse with the words "in my name." If the manuscripts he had in front of him read "in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," he would never have quoted it as "in my name." Moreover, there is not a single occurrence of the apostles baptizing anyone according to that formula.
“More than 5,000 manuscripts contain all or part of the New Testament in its original language. These range in date from the second century up to the invention of printing. It has been estimated that no two agree in all particulars. Inevitably, all handwritten documents are liable to contain accidental errors in copying. However, in living theological works it is not surprising that deliberate changes were introduced to avoid or alter statements that the copyist found unsound. There was also a tendency for copyists to add explanatory glosses[9]. Deliberate changes are more likely to have been introduced at an early stage before the canonical status of the New Testament was established.”The author went on to explain that “no one manuscript contains the original, unaltered text in its entirety,” and that, “one cannot select any one of these manuscripts and rely exclusively on its text as if it contained the monopoly the original words of the original authors.”
The question is whether Jesus عليه السلام ever said, unequivocally, that he was God or told people to worship him. The Qur'an mentions how Jesus عليه السلام clearly taught people to worship God alone and that he never ascribed divinity to himself.
One of the problems with the Bible verses that you’ve quoted, putting aside the fact that they are written by anonymous authors whose credentials, motives and authority are unknown, is that they are ambiguous at best. For example, the title ‘son of God’ is often used in the Bible to mean a close relationship to God or having authority given by God. Romans 18:14 mentions that, 'For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God'. Adam is thus called a 'son' of God in Luke 3:38. So Jesus being praised, respected or being called the 'son of God' does not mean he is God. Prophets are frequently praised and given honourable mention by God in Scripture and this does not mean they have divine status.
Let's have a look at some of the verses you quoted:
What is meant here is 'one' in purpose. That once a believer has accepted faith, the Messenger sees to it that he remains in faith, and God Almighty also sees to it that he remains in faith. The context of the preceding two verses shows this quite clearly as it repeats the phrase 'no one can snatch (the sheep) out of my hand' and ' no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand'.
Jesus does not use the complete phrase in Exodus 3:14a, nor the partial (shortened) phrase in Exodus 3:14b, but instead used “egō eimi” which was a common expression in Greek to identify oneself as the person being talked about, i.e. “I am he” or “I am the one” (Matt. 14:27; Mark 13:6; etc.).
Yet Luke 23:34 quotes Jesus asking God to forgive the people.
Thomas' remark here does not prove that Jesus is God because, firstly, these are Thomas' words and, secondly, the verse does not explicitly assign the title “God” to Jesus. It does not read, “You are my Lord and my God,” instead, Thomas simply says both of these titles and one is left to assume what he means. Some verses earlier within the same context in John 20:17, God is distinguished from Jesus: 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God’. Jesus is saying he has a God. So its strange to assume Thomas is referring to Jesus as God, because how could God have a God? This is why some Christians interpreted his statement to refer to two different entities.
Eusebius (c. 260'c. 340) was the Bishop of Caesarea and is known as 'the Father of Church History.' He quotes many verses in his writings, and Matthew 28:19 is one of them. He never quotes it as it appears today in modern Bibles, but always finishes the verse with the words "in my name." If the manuscripts he had in front of him read "in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," he would never have quoted it as "in my name." Moreover, there is not a single occurrence of the apostles baptizing anyone according to that formula.
Muslims don't deny that a crucifixion took place; only that it was Jesus who was crucified. It is not true that the Bible is the exact same as primitive versions. 1 John 5:7-8 is an example of a later addition to the Bible - scholars agree it does not appear in the earliest Greek manuscripts and that it first shows up in Latin manuscripts centuries later, likely to support trinitarian beliefs.
Dr. J.K. Elliott, of the Department of Theology and Religious Studies at Leeds University, wrote an article published in The Times, London (10th Sept., 1987) entitled “Checking the Bible’s Roots”. In it, he stated that:
“More than 5,000 manuscripts contain all or part of the New Testament in its original language. These range in date from the second century up to the invention of printing. It has been estimated that no two agree in all particulars. Inevitably, all handwritten documents are liable to contain accidental errors in copying. However, in living theological works it is not surprising that deliberate changes were introduced to avoid or alter statements that the copyist found unsound. There was also a tendency for copyists to add explanatory glosses[9]. Deliberate changes are more likely to have been introduced at an early stage before the canonical status of the New Testament was established.”The author went on to explain that “no one manuscript contains the original, unaltered text in its entirety,” and that, “one cannot select any one of these manuscripts and rely exclusively on its text as if it contained the monopoly the original words of the original authors.”
The Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم was an unlettered Prophet who could neither read nor write, nor was he taught by a Christian to be able to relate stories from apocrypha. The fact that there are similarities in their teachings points to the fact that both were Prophets sent by the same God, preaching the same core message.
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There are many verses which highlight how Jesus عليه السلام was not God:
- My Father is greater than I.” (John 14:28)
- “I do nothing of myself, but as the Father taught me, I speak these things.” (John 8:28)
- “Most assuredly, I say to you, the son can do nothing of himself. . . .” (John 5:19)
- "He who rejects me rejects Him who sent me.” (Luke 10:16)
- “But now I go away to Him who sent me. . . .” (John 16:5)
- “Jesus answered them and said, ‘My doctrine is not mine, but His who sent me.’” (John 7:16)
- “For I have not spoken on my own authority; but the Father who sent me gave me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.” (John 12:49)
- “The first of all the commandments is: ‘Hear O Israel, The Lord our God, the Lord is one.” (Mark 12:29)
- “But of that day and hour no one knows, neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Mark 13:32)
- “I can of myself do nothing . . . I do not seek my own will but the will of the Father who sent me.” (John 5:30)
- “For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of Him who sent me.” (John 6:38)
- “I am ascending to my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God.” (John 20:17)
We also see that throughout the Gospels, Jesus prayed to God. This certainly argues against his being God. God would not pray to Himself.
- “In his anguish, Jesus prayed with all the greater intensity, and his sweat became like drops of blood falling to the ground.” [Luke 22:44]
- “He went out into a mountain to pray, and continued all night in prayer to God.” [Luke 6:12]
- 'One day he was praying in a certain place. When he had finished, one of his disciples asked him, “Lord, teach us to pray, as John taught his disciples.” He said to them, “When you pray, say: `Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us today our daily bread, and forgive us the wrong we have done as we forgive those who wrong us. Subject us not to the trial but deliver us from the evil one.”' [Luke 11:1-4] [Matthew 6:9-13]