Yes and we see how they are accepted with "open arms" by the west. They have become the new slaves. Only cleaner, that's all.
Jizya in Islam
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Yes and we see how they are accepted with "open arms" by the west. They have become the new slaves. Only cleaner, that's all.
In this "modern age" you bomb people for oil. Different indeed.
Just humiliated.
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Isn't this a "Your momma is uglyer than my Momma" response?
How does Black Soldiers relate to jizya?
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I assume you mean Iraq. Whats that got to do with Jizya?
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ene_oil_exp_net_percap-oil-exports-net-per-capita
Why not the Gabon then? Or Guinea?
http://www.iraqrevenuewatch.org/reports/MEMORANDUMConstitutional Interpretation.DOC
http://www.iraqrevenuewatch.org/
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic...archive/2003/06/25/BU264248.DTL&type=business
Anyway, out of the small amount of oil that the US gets , its ploughed into reconstruction. The Iraqi Government is in charge of their own oil, the US meanwhile foots a enormous bill to safegaurd it.
Y'know everyone said in '01 that the US was after Afghanistans oil. In 99 when we hit serbia to stop the slaughter of kosovo muslims....we were after Kosovo's Zinc.
Lets take this back to Jizya please, but no matter how much you love the buzzword "Bomb's and oil stealing"...it remains that you know nothing other than the phrase and not the substance.
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It's another buzzword with no research. Some people will listen to a properganda speech and just take it as fact without even thinking for themselves.
Jizya at the moment in time is a rarely applied tax. It's not practically problematic.
As a Ideology it is very problematic. All muslims are taught that Islam is one day to be the supreme religion. (all religion is for Allah), So anyone who dissents with this will be liable for Jizya.
This is why it's a important issue to discuss and should be a concern.
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Some are, some arn't. But don't forget, comming here was there choice.
Not like being forced to pay a tax because someone else religion has a larger army. :skeleton:
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A History of Palestine: 634-1099, Cambridge University Press, 1997, p. 28
This Immigrant thing above is ridiculous. In the UK we have millions of immigrants from Muslim countries. Name one Muslim country that people from the west are baying at the door to get into.
If the wests so hellish...why come?
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You mean their choice just like the one to whom you say drink poison or I will thow you in the blazing fire. This is choice too. By this stance, then the choice is there too: Pay the Jizyah or fight.
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Same as the west changing regimes just because they are not in line with the policy of the west.
Bombing for oil was for: "we used to hang non-payers of tax in those days too". So the point was: In those days you used to hang people for not paying taxes now you bomb for oil.
As for the oil the US gets: First it is not only for getting oil rather the key factor is about controling oil. Second: It is not far back when the rest of the coalition had extensive discussions about the spoils of war. Declared such in almost every newspaper have you forgoten it already?!
As for re-construction. Lol. Do you live on earth?! Have you not heard and read anything?:?
Afganistan was not for oil but for other purposes and seeing that you mention oil in that relation, you should recall the plans for the pipeline to run through Afganistan.
As for Kosovo: They did not want an example of Bosnia again with muslim fighters gathering together as they did in Bosnia. As for zinc, lol in Kosovo there is URANIUM if you did not know about that.
As for knowing the phrases and substances, we see indeed how much you know.:statisfie
No it is more: Look into the mirror. You acuse me of your own crime.
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I resent that. I have never charged anyone Jizya.
How can you charge Jizyah. You are only a dhimi, even though you claim to be defiant
Now read what I said in the context of what we were discussing when I made that comment. Sure you know better than that don't you?:?
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No you just want to change the subject with "your mamma is uglier" responses. The subject is jizya. No matter how you sugar coat it, it is immoral by any non-Muslim standard.How can you charge Jizyah. You are only a dhimi, even though you claim to be defiant
Now read what I said in the context of what we were discussing when I made that comment. Sure you know better than that don't you?:?
Dhimi is as directory term and carries the same concepts as the “N” word. It labels people inferior just like Dalit. It is part of a cast system where Muslims place them selves at the top and make everyone else socially and legally inferior. You may think it is from god but every non-Muslim will conceder the source is from a different direction.
You advocate a system that might have been better than average a thousand years ago. Notice I said “Might”. The problem is that it isn’t a thousand years ago. Societies have changed. Slavery is illegal. Beating your wife is considered a crime. Secular countries have emerged where laws can not be based on gender, religion, race, etc. Whether you like it or not that is what non-Muslims want. So until you conquer the other 80% of the world, your theocracy will gain no further ground. I personally think it will decline till it no longer exists. But then that is just my opinion.
I find it amazing that in this day and age anyone can be so blinded by there own self worth that they think others would be glad to subject themselves to you. As people of the world struggle for equality, you struggle for superiority.
On 09-19-2006 I started a poll “Who wants to live in a theocracy?”. Only Muslims chose a theocracy. Some Muslims and all non-Muslims chose a secular government. The point being not one single non-Muslim chose a theocracy, not even a theocracy based on there own religion.
It is 2007; join the new millennium, the old one is gone.
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Actually two millenium dude, we are in the third. 
However your point addresses the unchanging nature of Islam.
The west developed because it shod State run by Religion. But Islam has changed too. Despite being told not to imitate the Kuffar, Muslim nations have had to do this. A Islamic scholor from the 14th Century wrote, "Damm these infernal frankish devices that I must wear to be able to see", the Ottomans reformed their army on western lines even down to the uniforms and bands. Now I can understand the tactic's and equipment being changed for modern western design....but why the uniforms? Why copy something like tunics and braiding when traditional Turkish uniforms were just as practical? Moving on to more modern times, Muslim music is westernised, the ummah have adopted TV when it is something that is strongly arguable against in islamic law, the internet allows males to speak to females with anonyminity yet thats adopted too..Even in the middle east, the professional classes wear western suits rather than Arabic dress, beards are shaved off, the list is totally endless.
Muslims see this change as Shirk, there is strong resentment of it and in recent years the backlash is leading to more and more Muslims who were progressing along western lines to start wearing Hijab around western citys, overtly praying in public and getting back to core values. They see imitation of the Kuffar and hate it, and yet resent it as they can see the benifits of human progress. How this sits with Islamic scholars is the reason for much of the problems we see today.
If the west was to get back to core values we would regress the same way.
However your point addresses the unchanging nature of Islam.
The west developed because it shod State run by Religion. But Islam has changed too. Despite being told not to imitate the Kuffar, Muslim nations have had to do this. A Islamic scholor from the 14th Century wrote, "Damm these infernal frankish devices that I must wear to be able to see", the Ottomans reformed their army on western lines even down to the uniforms and bands. Now I can understand the tactic's and equipment being changed for modern western design....but why the uniforms? Why copy something like tunics and braiding when traditional Turkish uniforms were just as practical? Moving on to more modern times, Muslim music is westernised, the ummah have adopted TV when it is something that is strongly arguable against in islamic law, the internet allows males to speak to females with anonyminity yet thats adopted too..Even in the middle east, the professional classes wear western suits rather than Arabic dress, beards are shaved off, the list is totally endless.
Muslims see this change as Shirk, there is strong resentment of it and in recent years the backlash is leading to more and more Muslims who were progressing along western lines to start wearing Hijab around western citys, overtly praying in public and getting back to core values. They see imitation of the Kuffar and hate it, and yet resent it as they can see the benifits of human progress. How this sits with Islamic scholars is the reason for much of the problems we see today.
If the west was to get back to core values we would regress the same way.
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lol.. I can't chase your posts around-- curiously they grab my attention but not for the right reasons... you appear educated but so dense at the same time, I am not quite sure why-- I am a bit put off about how boastful you are over how well read.. . you don't seem well read from some of your previous posts, -- you claim you know the Quran and the entire bukharis yet simple verses in early chapters elude you as if reading it for the first time.. no bother-- it is proving a waste my time but will post for the Muslim members, as I have lost interest as far as you are concerned-- but must ask what Muslim scientist said this "Damm these infernal frankish devices that I must wear to be able to see? when it was Ibn-Al-Haitham who invented the lenses...in fact a great debt of science is owed to us Muslims
you are too much of a joker man... you can't be that under educated, or do you just wish to mislead our youth? The west has progressed from stealing the wealth of nations and monopolizing them -- by dividing, conquering and stealing... and then advertising.. yes I suppose when you shed your values you can progress...so in that regard you'll get no argument from me...
peace!
you are too much of a joker man... you can't be that under educated, or do you just wish to mislead our youth? The west has progressed from stealing the wealth of nations and monopolizing them -- by dividing, conquering and stealing... and then advertising.. yes I suppose when you shed your values you can progress...so in that regard you'll get no argument from me...
peace!
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And who cares?
Actually two millenium dude, we are in the third.
However your point addresses the unchanging nature of Islam.
The west developed because it shod State run by Religion. But Islam has changed too. Despite being told not to imitate the Kuffar, Muslim nations have had to do this. A Islamic scholor from the 14th Century wrote, "Damm these infernal frankish devices that I must wear to be able to see", the Ottomans reformed their army on western lines even down to the uniforms and bands. Now I can understand the tactic's and equipment being changed for modern western design....but why the uniforms? Why copy something like tunics and braiding when traditional Turkish uniforms were just as practical? Moving on to more modern times, Muslim music is westernised, the ummah have adopted TV when it is something that is strongly arguable against in islamic law, the internet allows males to speak to females with anonyminity yet thats adopted too..Even in the middle east, the professional classes wear western suits rather than Arabic dress, beards are shaved off, the list is totally endless.
Muslims see this change as Shirk, there is strong resentment of it and in recent years the backlash is leading to more and more Muslims who were progressing along western lines to start wearing Hijab around western citys, overtly praying in public and getting back to core values. They see imitation of the Kuffar and hate it, and yet resent it as they can see the benifits of human progress. How this sits with Islamic scholars is the reason for much of the problems we see today.
If the west was to get back to core values we would regress the same way.
You have just shown that your knowledge of Islam is pure ignorance and that you do not have the slightest idea of what islam really is. You have no Idea as to what is allowed and what is not in Islam. But then, you only know what media feeds you.