Kafir Salat

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Haafizah said:
Is there really any point of offering it if you are not Muslim though. :-\
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I believe in 1 god but with many forms. But I do not mean salah as in
"Bismillah hir rahman nir raheem" then Al fatiha then ruku then sujud. I mean as in performing a similar practice but to my god. Prostration and the entire salah is not that far removed from Jewish practices and I think ALL religions are connected. Salah was one of the things I enjoyed the most in Islam.
When I was a kid I found a way to make my blood elevate into my head by pure will. I could only do this once a day as it seemed to hurt my eyes oddly( I have poor vision). But when I did salah I found this effect happen multiple times a day. I have never been able to duplicate this in all my life. I tried sitting down and meditation but I have never been able to increase my endorphins and situational awareness like I did in salah. I kinda found it addicted and every morning I tried duplicating this in so many odd ways then gave up and when I started practicing salah I started all over again, endorphins feel soooooooooooooooooooooooooo nice. You have no idea how it feels, I never felt pain after I hit my hea don my metal bed, i had punched a hole through a wall. It felt like a "spiritual high", I just cant describe it but when you feel detached from fear and reality and feel endorphins it is soooooooo nice. :statisfie. You have never felt your heart beat within your own chest before without feeling nervousness or fear. But with endorphins it is so smoother and more calm
 
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What you do in your life is up to you, if it is aside from Islaam.

As Allaah says in the Qur'aan:

And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.

[Qur'aan, Chapter 3, Verse 85]​


So ultimately it is YOUR choice whether you want to be a Muslim and do the Salaah prescribed the proper way, and enter Jannah and see Allaah, or to do a made up Salaah and enter Jahannam and be denied from seeing Allaah.
 
Haafizah said:
What you do in your life is up to you, if it is aside from Islaam.

As Allaah says in the Qur'aan:

And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.

[Qur'aan, Chapter 3, Verse 85]​


So ultimately it is YOUR choice whether you want to be a Muslim and do the Salaah prescribed the proper way, and enter Jannah and see Allaah, or to do a made up Salaah and enter Jahannam and be denied from seeing Allaah.
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But i believe in neither :statisfie. It is like telling a man who cannot hear that Beethoven is the greatest of all musicians. He cannot hear so he cannot judge.
 
FreakOffALeash said:
Is it wrong for a kafir to perform salat?
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No, but what is the point if he doesn't believe in Allah and that Muhammad (saaws) is His servant and Messenger? A person can perform the various ritualistic aspects of the Islamic faith for various reasons (endorphin 'high', loose weight, etc) and to which I say, "Whatever floats your boat, dude." because it makes no difference to me what you do as long as you don't interfere with my worship of Allah (swt) in the manner I should as a Muslim.
FreakOffALeash said:
But I do not mean salah as in "Bismillah hir rahman nir raheem" then Al fatiha then ruku then sujud. I mean as in performing a similar practice but to my god.
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Well, if it does not start with 'Allahu akbar' and include Surah Al-Fatihah, then it is not salah. According to Wikipedia:

Salah is the practice of formal worship in Islam. Salah is a ritual worship, having prescribed conditions, a prescribed procedure, and prescribed times. Some of them are obligatory, with a few dispensations for those for whom it would be difficult. For those whom it is physically difficult they can perform Salah in a way suitable for them. To perform valid Salah, Muslims must be in a state of ritual purity, which is mainly achieved by ritual ablution according to prescribed procedures. Salah consists of the repetition of a unit called a raka'ah (pl. raka'āt) consisting of prescribed actions and words. The number of obligatory (fard) raka'āt varies according to the time of day or other circumstances (such as Friday congregational worship). The minimal, obligatory raka'at may be supplemented with acts that are optional but are considered meritorious.

Hey, dude you can pray to your god in any manner that you so desire, but for it to be called 'salah' it should begin with the condition of Islamic faith in your heart. Again according to Wikipedia:

This compulsory act of worship is obligatory for those who meet these three conditions:
  • are Muslim
  • are of sound mind
  • have reached the age of 10 (beginning at age seven is recommended).
No insult intended, but do you meet these conditions?
 
Haafizah said:
I meant regarding my post.
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I do not believe you must be a Muslim to perform something similar to salah as such forms of worship are similar all over, I have seen Tibetan women do similar methods regarding salah.
 
MustafaMc said:
No, but what is the point if he doesn't believe in Allah and that Muhammad (saaws) is His servant and Messenger? A person can perform the various ritualistic aspects of the Islamic faith for various reasons (endorphin 'high', loose weight, etc) and to which I say, "Whatever floats your boat, dude." because it makes no difference to me what you do as long as you don't interfere with my worship of Allah (swt) in the manner I should as a Muslim.Well, if it does not start with 'Allahu akbar' and include Surah Al-Fatihah, then it is not salah. According to Wikipedia:

Salah is the practice of formal worship in Islam. Salah is a ritual worship, having prescribed conditions, a prescribed procedure, and prescribed times. Some of them are obligatory, with a few dispensations for those for whom it would be difficult. For those whom it is physically difficult they can perform Salah in a way suitable for them. To perform valid Salah, Muslims must be in a state of ritual purity, which is mainly achieved by ritual ablution according to prescribed procedures. Salah consists of the repetition of a unit called a raka'ah (pl. raka'āt) consisting of prescribed actions and words. The number of obligatory (fard) raka'āt varies according to the time of day or other circumstances (such as Friday congregational worship). The minimal, obligatory raka'at may be supplemented with acts that are optional but are considered meritorious.

Hey, dude you can pray to your god in any manner that you so desire, but for it to be called 'salah' it should begin with the condition of Islamic faith in your heart. Again according to Wikipedia:

This compulsory act of worship is obligatory for those who meet these three conditions:
  • are Muslim
  • are of sound mind
  • have reached the age of 10 (beginning at age seven is recommended).
No insult intended, but do you meet these conditions?
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I thought mentioning "Allahu Akbar" would be blasphemous :hmm: and you dont do it for the 3 and 4 rakat so I am told. I do believe Muhammad taught the word of god, but only to the Arabic people. I will find something similar to salah and work from there.
Also is my kitty avatar adorable? :statisfie I feel like a Hipster
 
I thought mentioning "Allahu Akbar" would be blasphemous :hmm: and you dont do it for the 3 and 4 rakat so I am told. I do believe Muhammad taught the word of god, but only to the Arabic people. I will find something similar to salah and work from there.
Also is my kitty avatar adorable? :statisfie I feel like a Hipster
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I am finding your replies very offensive to Islaam brother, you are tredding on very thin lines here.
I do not believe you must be a Muslim to perform something similar to salah as such forms of worship are similar all over, I have seen Tibetan women do similar methods regarding salah.
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Whether you believe it or not, you believing something does not make it true and you not believing in something foes not make it untrue.

The fact is that you can do what you want- it won't make a difference to this life of yours and your life in the Aakhirah - as the only religion accepted by Allaah is Islaam (see Qur'aan reference in my previous post)

Salaah is something ordained for ALL Muslims, please keep that in mind.
 
Haafizah said:


I am finding your replies very offensive to Islaam brother, you are tredding on very thin lines here.



Whether you believe it or not, you believing something does not make it true and you not believing in something foes not make it untrue.

The fact is that you can do what you want- it won't make a difference to this life of yours and your life in the Aakhirah - as the only religion accepted by Allaah is Islaam (see Qur'aan reference in my previous post)

Salaah is something ordained for ALL Muslims, please keep that in mind.
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Ok then sister I wont push you any further. But like I warned you, I seriously doubt you would or could like me now. I am not the same person and I feel SOOOOOOOOO much better now being a syncretist/ Neo-Paganist
 
@FreakOffALeash - Whatever it is you dislike regarding Islam. Please create a separate thread, and list it all out. You say it will offend the people here, it might, but it doesn't mean that you can expect us to keep chasing shadows. We need to know the particular problem which is causing you to stray away from Islam in order to help. Suppose a man had penile cancer, do you think he should consult a doctor or stay in his closet out of fear of embarrassment? We are living in the 21st century, and I can't speak for everyone, but I think it is for sure that all of us have heard heinous things about Islam at one time or the other. Even Prophet Muhammad (SallAllahuAlayhiWaSallam) himself underwent terrible insults, but he faced it all and established monotheism in Makkah. Give us a chance, and if the thread is very controversial, the mods will delete it anyway.

@Sis Haafizah - Try to be nice. Rasoolullah (SallAllahuAlayhiWaSallam) never used insults and harsh remarks to bring someone to Islam, neither should we. Criticism pushes people in the opposite direction. Keep that in mind.
 
Ali_008 said:
@FreakOffALeash - Whatever it is you dislike regarding Islam. Please create a separate thread, and list it all out. You say it will offend the people here, it might, but it doesn't mean that you can expect us to keep chasing shadows. We need to know the particular problem which is causing you to stray away from Islam in order to help. Suppose a man had penile cancer, do you think he should consult a doctor or stay in his closet out of fear of embarrassment? We are living in the 21st century, and I can't speak for everyone, but I think it is for sure that all of us have heard heinous things about Islam at one time or the other. Even Prophet Muhammad (SallAllahuAlayhiWaSallam) himself underwent terrible insults, but he faced it all and established monotheism in Makkah. Give us a chance, and if the thread is very controversial, the mods will delete it anyway.

@Sis Haafizah - Try to be nice. Rasoolullah (SallAllahuAlayhiWaSallam) never used insults and harsh remarks to bring someone to Islam, neither should we. Criticism pushes people in the opposite direction. Keep that in mind.
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I have a prayer to Kali I must start then later after some sleep I will make a post on why I left Islam. Also it is not very complex regarding my reasons for leaving. People think I am being secretive but I am not, I just think they refuse to accept my answer honestly. Love ya bro and be back in like 4 hours which is all the sleep I need (for now). :statisfie
 
FreakOffALeash said:
I thought mentioning "Allahu Akbar" would be blasphemous and you dont do it for the 3 and 4 rakat so I am told.
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Why would saying 'Allah is Great' be blasphemous for anyone to say? For each rakat of salah, 'Allahu Akbar' is recited five times (qiyam, ruku, sujud, jalsa, sujud). 'Alahu Akbar' is recited at least 85 times every day by every practicing Muslim during fardh salah.
 
I am not the same person and I feel SOOOOOOOOO much better now being a syncretist/ Neo-Paganist
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Whomsoever Allaah Guides none can misguide,
and whoever He allows to fall astray none can Guide.​
 
@Sis Haafizah - Try to be nice. Rasoolullah (SallAllahuAlayhiWaSallam) never used insults and harsh remarks to bring someone to Islam, neither should we. Criticism pushes people in the opposite direction. Keep that in mind.
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I do beg your pardon, brother Ali_008, but please could you let me know where I was being rude? I was merely explaining the fact that Salaah is ONLY for Muslims, as it will not be accepted if a non-Muslim performs it.

And Allaah Knows Best.
 
^^^ I know you're only trying to bring forward the truth, and knock some sense into FreakOffALeash's head, but your words have come across as rude. They don't exactly sound supportive.

I read somewhere that Rumi once said something like, "when you speak the truth, make sure to drench it in honey". I tried googling for the quote, couldn't find it. Nevertheless, it does stand true anyway. Reality bites, and not everyone is ready to face it head on.

I didn't mean to offend you.
 
^ None taken.

I apologise if my posts came across as rude, that was not intentional.
 
Urban Dictionary - 'Whatever floats your boat' is a phrase that often means whatever "soothes your soul" or whatever "works best" Aka- Whatever you feel like doing.
So Amir what do you feel like doing tonight? Whatever floats your boat, man.

It is a hip, cool (or perhaps sarcastic) way of saying 'to you, your religion and to me, mine'.
 
MustafaMc said:
'Alahu Akbar' is recited at least 85 times every day by every practicing Muslim during fardh salah.
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I really like how Islamic prayers remind you of that so many times a day! :statisfie
 
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