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[جوري]

Br. Ali,

I respect you and you've such a tender forgiving soul and it is perhaps one of the most attractive things about Muslims in general is this ability & desire to want to set things aright and find fix complex situations. Some things are beyond fixing and or need not fixing at all for that is their natural shape. The prophet PBUH has two uncles in hell, try to imagine that most of the prophets were tried in their family. So what of complete fickle strangers who put an Avatar of Hitler beneath in Allah we trust.
Is that a true representation you want of Islam? I think it is the sort of thing that would count as a grievous liability. We can't be made responsible for how people reason in their mind what's right or wrong. As the Egyptian adage goes: 'illi 3a'lo fi raso yi3raf khalaso' = if you've a head on your shoulder you'll reason yourself into a resolution.
I need not remind anyone here of a certain Soraya. We're not going to amend Islam to appease people who are just not happy not matter what you offer.

[FONT=Verdana,arial]Al-Qasas (The Narration)[28:56] [RECITE]

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Innaka la tahdee man ahbabta walakinna Allaha yahdee man yashao wahuwa aAAlamu bialmuhtadeena​

28:56 It is true thou wilt not be able to guide every one, whom thou lovest; but Allah guides those whom He will and He knows best those who receive guidance.


you wish to be pagan be pagan, you want to be a satanist be a satanist. Islam is a covenant between the individual and God- It isn't a communal effort. It isn't to be entered into lightly but after reason and discernment of ALL that is entailed. Islam to many people is ascetic. It isn't for everyone. Usually the narrow and straight path is stringent and thus is less traveled!


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[Qurratul Ayn]

FreakOffALeash, your question has been answered by several members, if you want to talk about Islaam and other religions, please create another thread.

S'all keeps on going off topic and back on topic and I don't know why it's being dragged out... imsad

Check the website out again and the clip, it will answer the question. Simples.

It's asked to Dr Zakir Naik; Can a Non-Muslim offer Salaah?


[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7K217KDV4c


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[BadOlPuttyTat]

Br. Ali,

I respect you and you've such a tender forgiving soul and it is perhaps one of the most attractive things about Muslims in general is this ability & desire to want to set things aright and find fix complex situations. Some things are beyond fixing and or need not fixing at all for that is their natural shape. The prophet PBUH has two uncles in hell, try to imagine that most of the prophets were tried in their family. So what of complete fickle strangers who put an Avatar of Hitler beneath in Allah we trust.
Is that a true representation you want of Islam? I think it is the sort of thing that would count as a grievous liability. We can't be made responsible for how people reason in their mind what's right or wrong. As the Egyptian adage goes: 'illi 3a'lo fi raso yi3raf khalaso' = if you've a head on your shoulder you'll reason yourself into a resolution.
I need not remind anyone here of a certain Soraya. We're not going to amend Islam to appease people who are just not happy not matter what you offer.

Al-Qasas (The Narration)[28:56] [RECITE]

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Innaka la tahdee man ahbabta walakinna Allaha yahdee man yashao wahuwa aAAlamu bialmuhtadeena​

28:56 It is true thou wilt not be able to guide every one, whom thou lovest; but Allah guides those whom He will and He knows best those who receive guidance.


you wish to be pagan be pagan, you want to be a satanist be a satanist. Islam is a covenant between the individual and God- It isn't a communal effort. It isn't to be entered into lightly but after reason and discernment of ALL that is entailed. Islam to many people is ascetic. It isn't for everyone. Usually the narrow and straight path is stringent and thus is less traveled!


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You must understand I enjoy Hitler because he is like me. We both know how to corrupt people. Hitler is the finest spokesman in history, so good he got an unwilling nation to die for him. Hitler is the finest speakers more so then martin Luther King or Gandhi and Barock Obama is NOT a good speaker; I like Barck but he is no great spokesperson. So understand that I dont glorify Hitler and thank him for killing a bunch of innocent people. He is just a food speaker and a firm believer in natural order, a principle i strongly support.
Qurratul Ayn is the lioness so she should know about natural order. Unless she isnt who she says she is ^o).

 

[جوري]

You must understand I enjoy Hitler because he is like me.

I have no desire to understand where you're coming from it doesn't add nor detract from my life. If you desire to identify with Hitler then good for you. The concept of justice not genocide is championed in Islam!

We both know how to corrupt people.

You know jack. Indecisiveness and inconstancy aren't attributes of understanding!

Hitler is the finest spokesman in history,

Only to those of no moral compass who are easily manipulated for his speech was nothing more than angry rant directed at a mob!

so good he got an unwilling nation to die for him.

They didn't die but he did.

Hitler is the finest speakers more so then martin Luther King or Gandhi and Barock Obama is NOT a good speaker; I like Barck but he is no great spokesperson. So understand that I dont glorify Hitler and thank him for killing a bunch of innocent people. He is just a food speaker and a firm believer in natural order, a principle i strongly support.

This is meaningless drivel!

 

[~ Sabr ~]

FreakOffALeash, if you want to talk about Islam then please do so, if not then please do not indulge in meaningless entertaining talks InshaAllaah.

Thanks.

 

[BadOlPuttyTat]

Only to those of no moral compass who are easily manipulated for his speech was nothing more than angry rant directed at a mob!

Nope. Germany was down since WWI and the mood was low. Germany felt like a failure and at that time people were not proud in their country, Hitler felt the same and disliked how soldiers were political tools. He came up and started a few parties and some years later you had Germany and people felt proud to be German.
Understand that he made people feel good with an utter lie, that takes skill brother. Hitler was a puppet and a valuable one. he didnt just make a rant and get people to put on swastikas and march into a battlefield and get limbs blown off in the name of Hitler and their country. Obama made people vote for him, Hitler made people die for him. Hitler made people create a war form him when they had peace. Everybody wants peace but to trick people into going to war saying "for the glory of germany". THAT TAKES SKILL and some serious charm!
Get my drift? :statisfie

They didn't die but he did.

Millions died in his name, read your history

This is meaningless drivel!

he was the best speaker EVER! He wasnt a good man but he was a good speaker, just not for the right cause.
Actually he created atrocities for a very stupid cause. Regardless he was a good speaker. He deserves to burn in hell but I give him credit for what he is worth. :nervous:
And lets avoid this subject lol fftopic:

 

[جوري]

Nope. Germany was down since WWI and the mood was low. Germany felt like a failure and at that time people were not proud in their country, Hitler felt the same and disliked how soldiers were political tools. He came up and started a few parties and some years later you had Germany and people felt proud to be German.
Understand that he made people feel good with an utter lie, that takes skill brother. Hitler was a puppet and a valuable one. he didnt just make a rant and get people to put on swastikas and march into a battlefield and get limbs blown off in the name of Hitler and their country. Obama made people vote for him, Hitler made people die for him. Hitler made people create a war form him when they had peace. Everybody wants peace but to trick people into going to war saying "for the glory of germany". THAT TAKES SKILL and some serious charm!
Get my drift? :statisfie

No, I don't get your drift. It is a geo-political and socio-economic conditions in which a vile creature rose up to the ranks, played on people's fears and created a scapgoat. There are countless others in history who have done the same.
You're simply a neo Nazi and I sure am glad as hell that you've come to realize the disparity of your natural inclination with that of Islamic tenets and principles.

Millions died in his name, read your history

That's funny.. I'll chuck it up to your inner child.

he was the best speaker EVER! He wasnt a good man but he was a good speaker, just not for the right cause.
Actually he created atrocities for a very stupid cause. Regardless he was a good speaker. He deserves to burn in hell but I give him credit for what he is worth. :nervous:

As stated prior, he was a orator who addressed simpletons into tapping into their mob mentality. Which explains why you're so charmed by him. And you're so free to do, just don't it on your own time and turf!

And lets avoid this subject lol

fftopic:

Yeah. Do that!

 

[BadOlPuttyTat]

No, I don't get your drift. It is a geo-political and socio-economic conditions in which a vile creature rose up to the ranks, played on people's fears and created a scapgoat. There are countless others in history who have done the same.
You're simply a neo Nazi and I sure am glad as hell that you've come to realize the disparity of your natural inclination with that of Islamic tenets and principles.





That's funny.. I'll chuck it up to your inner child.





As stated prior, he was a orator who addressed simpletons into tapping into their mob mentality. Which explains why you're so charmed by him. And you're so free to do, just don't it on your own time and turf!


Yeah. Do that!

You proved my point and repeated me. He worked off peoples fears and oppression and gained power and then turned around and did the insane.

And I am no Neo Nazi. I am Hispanic and African and I rarely think about Hitler because so many WWII games have made me sick of that era.
You called Germans simpletons(one of my fav words I may add). You basically said all Germans are simpletons but putting them in one boat. And when you put Germans you put the thing I love most about them down.
GERMANY SAUSAGES!

"O ye who believe! Be steadfast witnesses for Allah in equity, and let not hatred of any people seduce you that ye deal not justly. Deal justly, that is nearer to your duty. Observe your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is Informed of what ye do." Sura Al-Maeda ayat 8

 

[~ Sabr ~]

Woah hold up there. What are you doing?!

What is up with you quoting from the Qur'aan for a Muslim? Stop dissing Islam down please! Stop making a mockery of it....for the love of God

 

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

I do not believe in natural purity of sin

So babies are evil? or impure?

Is that saying that muslims believe they're perfect and sin free? and that's what you disagree with, or the fact that being born 'sinless' is what you disagree with?

 

[جوري]

You proved my point and repeated me. He worked off peoples fears and oppression and gained power and then turned around and did the insane.

I have done neither as your own words evolve to fit the tempo of the forum. Or what you think people will want to hear. You think you play with their naivete when in fact you're the fool--You identify with with a man by your confession 'a lot alike' can only evinces your aims here and unfortunately in your mind worked out that the intelligence of members here can be manipulated by the vile diatribe of an 18 year old. (if any are anything the age you profess that is).

And I am no Neo Nazi. I am Hispanic and African and I rarely think about Hitler because so many WWII games have made me sick of that era.
You called Germans simpletons(one of my fav words I may add). You basically said all Germans are simpletons but putting them in one boat. And when you put Germans you put the thing I love most about them down.
GERMANY SAUSAGES!

You contradict yourself constantly. You rarely speak of him, yet here you're speaking of him and a couple of days ago made him your avatar. furthermore, perhaps you can show me where I've used words of absolution such as ALL or NONe?

"O ye who believe! Be steadfast witnesses for Allah in equity, and let not hatred of any people seduce you that ye deal not justly. Deal justly, that is nearer to your duty. Observe your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is Informed of what ye do." Sura Al-Maeda ayat 8

Do us all a favor and quit quoting that which you clearly don't understand to suit your agenda. I am not dealing with you unjustly. In fact just the opposite:

9:8-------------------------------With (fair words from) their mouths they entice you, but their hearts are averse from you; and most of them are rebellious and wicked.

 

[BadOlPuttyTat]

Woah hold up there. What are you doing?!



What is up with you quoting from the Qur'aan for a Muslim? Stop dissing Islam down please! Stop making a mockery of it....for the love of God

I am not dissing the Quran lady. I never said I hate it. The Quran is an excellent piece of literature. It has many truths that are even scientific ally proven. When I get my tablet computer I am gonna get a Quran app for it.


You need to listen to ma homeboy Zakir Naik. The man is a religious Einstein, this man is so smart he needs a school named after him ^o)

 

[~ Sabr ~]

Ok I am only going to say this ONCE, so PLEASE READ CAREFULLY:

1) You are NOT a Muslim, if you believed the Qur'aan completely you would have been Muslim, so STOP quoting things out of context.
2) Stop making a mockery out of me and Islaam
3) Zakir Naik has a lot of inconsistencies with the correct Aqeedah of Islaam, so he is useless in an Islamic talk.

 

[BadOlPuttyTat]

So babies are evil? or impure?

Is that saying that muslims believe they're perfect and sin free? and that's what you disagree with, or the fact that being born 'sinless' is what you disagree with?

Children hit and do things they know they are not suppose to do all the time. They think little of it, evil doesnt mean murder or some great sin. It just means to do a wrongdoing.

 

[BadOlPuttyTat]

Ok I am only going to say this ONCE, so PLEASE READ CAREFULLY:

1) You are NOT a Muslim, if you believed the Qur'aan completely you would have been Muslim, so STOP quoting things out of context.
2) Stop making a mockery out of me and Islaam
3) Zakir Naik has a lot of inconsistencies with the correct Aqeedah of Islaam, so he is useless in an Islamic talk.

1) Nothing wrong with quoting from it. The Quran is not my guide to life but I enjoy it non the less. I give it utmost respect, and I fully understand its teachings.
2) I do not mock you I am actually mocking another person who has a Hitler fixation.
3) I am sure he does like everyone else.

 

[~ Sabr ~]

Do you enjoy arguing with Muslims pointlessly?

 

[glo]

I think this thread is getting way off topic. I was interested to read about non-Muslims offering Salah, but I think it has been answered now.

Perhaps the thread could be closed, since people seem to be unable to let it rest ... :?

 

[BadOlPuttyTat]

I have done neither as your own words evolve to fit the tempo of the forum. Or what you think people will want to hear. You think you play with their naivete when in fact you're the fool--You identify with with a man by your confession 'a lot alike' can only evinces your aims here and unfortunately in your mind worked out that the intelligence of members here can be manipulated by the vile diatribe of an 18 year old. (if any are anything the age you profess that is).


You contradict yourself constantly. You rarely speak of him, yet here you're speaking of him and a couple of days ago made him your avatar. furthermore, perhaps you can show me where I've used words of absolution such as ALL or NONe?

Do us all a favor and quit quoting that which you clearly don't understand to suit your agenda. I am not dealing with you unjustly. In fact just the opposite:

9:8-------------------------------With (fair words from) their mouths they entice you, but their hearts are averse from you; and most of them are rebellious and wicked.

tsk tsk tsk, shame on you. I love you no matter what because your a human being, so do the same. You realize I by no means am intent on disgracing the Quran at all? I am not a vengeful person and if you noticed by my playful personality you would realize I am not capable of it.
I used the ayat properly and it was fitting for this speech :statisfie.
I believe in Hitler when he set about removing "politics from war". Is that not good? No person should be a political tool even if Hitler is a failure plus my photo was a mockery of him. I also do not have an agenda, your talking and I am just answering. This is a basic conversation :hmm: