Keep it up Turkey, you know what's best

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Skywalker said:
How about banning religious headscarves in France, isn't that also against the rules of secularism? That would also make France an "unclassified" country as well...
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I do not agree with that, unless you are referring to the niqaab. The niqaab is a security threat to some. What we were talking about above is to the extreme, at times freedom can be taken away to protect everyone, but not being allowed to pray in public is absolutely ridiculous
 
Eh, secularism says, that the country is ruled by man-made laws, no? And most of the popularity in France decided 'Ban the veil'. So the people decided !
And I guess, with a leader as Sarkozy, it will even become worser for foreigners, as he is conservative politician.
 
guyabano said:
Eh, secularism says, that the country is ruled by man-made laws, no? And most of the popularity in France decided 'Ban the veil'. So the people decided !
And I guess, with a leader as Sarkozy, it will even become worser for foreigners, as he is conservative politician.
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That is true and that is what is good about democracy, if you dont like something you can get rid of it, while at the same time if you do like something you can get it. France banning the veil is no concern to me, if they feel it is a security concern or they simply dont like Muslims that is their business, no one is forced to live there.
 
Maybe people have a hard time settling anywhere else? Depends on he environemnt u grew up in. Get it? Like me livin in America. Might not be used to livin somewhere like, lets say Pakistan?
 
Its good to remember that you can wear veil as much as you want in France on your own time and in public aswell. However if you go to school you have to follow dress codes that the state sets for schools. (like pretty much all the schools in the world have dress codes that suits them, I couldnt, for example, wear hat inside finnish schools, that didnt mean that "the hat" was banned in Finland).
 
Theres no point in wearin it at all in public if u cant in school. Schools are still OUTSIDE of the home. Its not an on and off thing like a hat. Its nutin like a "hat."
 
Jazzy said:
Theres no point in wearin it at all in public if u cant in school. Schools are still OUTSIDE of the home. Its not an on and off thing like a hat. Its nutin like a "hat."
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If the veils are becoming an issue in the west, banned in many places in Europe, not far from being banned in the UK, why do muslims continue to emigrate to the West when clearly it is not suitable for them? Our cultures are different, they clash and there will be decisions that you and us westerners won't like.
 
Jazzy said:
So thennnnnnnn the West needs to accept that we arent oppressed or backwards! Plain and simple! :)
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when a muslim lady expresses this and people still cant understand due to a few people who felt oppressed then they can never understand.

its like going upto a man who cant breathe and pitying him, and then going up to the rest of humanity and saying "HOOK YOURSELVES ON LIFE MACHINES YOU POOR SOULS YOU CANT BREATHE" whilst the rest are explaining "no we can breathe just fine you nutcase".

lol ;D
 
England said:
If the veils are becoming an issue in the west, banned in many places in Europe, not far from being banned in the UK, why do muslims continue to emigrate to the West when clearly it is not suitable for them? Our cultures are different, they clash and there will be decisions that you and us westerners won't like.
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so, as a muslm turk,
we better stop to try to be a member of EU,

actually i dont want it...as u said,we are different:D
 
and also,i tried to read all the posts here,
1 thng made me very sad; most of muslim sis n bros think that we turks lost our faith n we r nt true muslims anymore...:(

brothers ,there is still a big community here who wants n tries to live how islam asks,,

yes i know that our ''laic,secular(not even true secularism) system is not that good but this cant stop us believe in Allah n that system cant come in to our homes,,

i know n accept that many turks are living like nonmuslims;they r drinking alcohol,having sins without caring if its helal or haram,but also there are millions of people who regards islam as a way of living...

salam all!
 
MTAFFI said:
That is true and that is what is good about democracy, if you dont like something you can get rid of it, while at the same time if you do like something you can get it. France banning the veil is no concern to me, if they feel it is a security concern or they simply dont like Muslims that is their business, no one is forced to live there.
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i agree - so if the majority of people want a more islamic-friendly government, why shouldn't they get it?
(no one is seriously talking about establishing shariah - merely about having a government less hostile to religion.
 
England said:
If the veils are becoming an issue in the west, banned in many places in Europe, not far from being banned in the UK, why do muslims continue to emigrate to the West when clearly it is not suitable for them? Our cultures are different, they clash and there will be decisions that you and us westerners won't like.
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Errmm, good question. When you know already in advance, that the veil is banned, so why go there? Somehow, it remembers me the postings about the request, western tourist should please follow the culture and tradions of the country they visit. So why not in this way?? See here !
 
MTAFFI said:
That is true and that is what is good about democracy, if you dont like something you can get rid of it, while at the same time if you do like something you can get it. France banning the veil is no concern to me, if they feel it is a security concern or they simply dont like Muslims that is their business, no one is forced to live there.
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I'm not quite sure it was the people's decision, but only that of Jacques Chirac. Secondly, I'm not talking about the face veil, only the heardscarf, which is the exact same thing that nuns wear.

How is that a threat to security or offensive to anyone? In Egypt, where Muslims are the vast majority, we have a lot of Christians with us in schools and stuff and they proudly display their golden necklaces with crosses and nobody has a problem with it.

In a secular government, where anyone is supposedly allowed to follow their religion how they like, what happens if the majority of the people, like you said, vote and decide against a thing such as a headscarf? How are the rights of the minority protected in that case? Obvioulsly from what we've seen in France, they're not. Which says a lot about the kind of democracy they have...

guyabano said:
Errmm, good question. When you know already in advance, that the veil is banned, so why go there? Somehow, it remembers me the postings about the request, western tourist should please follow the culture and tradions of the country they visit. So why not in this way??
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There's a difference between visiting a country that doesn't allow you to follow your religion and actually being born in one and having a citizenship. It's not easy for people to move and leave everything they've ever known, not to mention the cost of the move.
 
England said:
If the veils are becoming an issue in the west, banned in many places in Europe, not far from being banned in the UK, why do muslims continue to emigrate to the West when clearly it is not suitable for them? Our cultures are different, they clash and there will be decisions that you and us westerners won't like.
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If muslims are becoming an issue in western countries why do western military establisments continue to emigrate chunks of their armies to Muslim nations and enforce their way of life when the people who there trying to occupy have a different culture,religion and a whole different way of life and probably won't like these decisions that are being forced upon them which in turn is causing them to flee

yes some go to Western countries and yes they come with their different religion and different culture!

so please do tell me why?:)
 

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