Keep it up Turkey, you know what's best

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Guys, some valid subjects have come up, but they belong in another thread, because they are sidetracking this one. It's not some sort of conspiracy, just start a new thread rather than derailing an existing one.
 
I'm very sorry for those people who walked. but it is not millions as its anounced. I have never used my vote. but this time I think I should use my vote in these elections.
 
I was reading about this and I noticed that the Turks arent even trying to get an Islamic state, no matter who is elected Turkey will still be a secular state, so what is the debate about here, either way Turkey will remain secular :?
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
but in turkey's case it most certainly does.[/QUOthe case is not like this....muslims are regarded as a danger for secularism in turkey..if a little girl closing his head with scarf sıngs an islamic song in front of poster of ataturk,she is considered as anti-secularısm......
my country is very strange, isnt it?:)
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MTAFFI said:
I was reading about this and I noticed that the Turks arent even trying to get an Islamic state, no matter who is elected Turkey will still be a secular state, so what is the debate about here, either way Turkey will remain secular :?
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yes that's true there is no doubt about it. Turkey is secular and it'll be secular. but problem is people don't know what secularism means. And some of the people belive that secularism is when u enter a state buildin you have to leave not only your islamic thoughts but also your heartly belief in islam. Is it possible for a person to leave his belives out of an official place. yes you may have to obey the rules and consider secularism. but no one has right to accuse you because of your beliefs if you obey the rules.
 
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The main problem is that the understanding of secularism is completely wrong. What secularism is all about is that the government does not fund a specific religion, to negate any bias towards any particular religion.

Certain so called secular countries no longer remember the actual meaning of secularism and it is now commonly defined as a ban or suppression of religion.

Such is the paradoxical/hypocritical nature of mankind that I am sure we are all aware of by now.
 
shev said:
yes that's true there is no doubt about it. Turkey is secular and it'll be secular. but problem is people don't know what secularism means. And some of the people belive that secularism is when u enter a state buildin you have to leave not only your islamic thoughts but also your heartly belief in islam. Is it possible for a person to leave his belives out of an official place. yes you may have to obey the rules and consider secularism. but no one has right to accuse you because of your beliefs if you obey the rules.
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In secularism there is supposed to be a separation of church and state, but religious rights are supposed to be observed as well as respected by the government as well. The whole point is to have no restriction on religion or its practice. If what you say is true Turkey isnt even a secular society, I am not sure what it would be classified as:?
 
yigiter187 said:
the case is not like this....muslims are regarded as a danger for secularism in turkey..if a little girl closing his head with scarf sıngs an islamic song in front of poster of ataturk,she is considered as anti-secularısm......
my country is very strange, isnt it?:)
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wow... that makes me angry... someone adopt that girl :(
 
Secular means having to leave all morals and duties of any religion. When you talk to a secular person that person will claim the religion but does not practice it. This will leade the muslims astray from the duties they suppose to do.
 
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I personally believe everybody has the right to choose. If they want to be christian, muslim, jew, agnostic etc. If they do not want their government to be Islamic fair play let them be whatever they want to be. :)

If they don't want Islam to lighten their life then that's their loss. :alright:

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HBot 5000 said:
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I personally believe everybody has the right to choose. If they want to be christian, muslim, jew, agnostic etc. If they do not want their government to be Islamic fair play let them be whatever they want to be. :)

If they don't want Islam to lighten their life then that's their loss. :alright:

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well said:)
 
By the way, just deleted a bunch of off-topic posts. Iran and Iraq are subjects which may be discussed in any number of existing threads all about them.

Please stick to the topic everyone.
 
MTAFFI said:
In secularism there is supposed to be a separation of church and state, but religious rights are supposed to be observed as well as respected by the government as well. The whole point is to have no restriction on religion or its practice. If what you say is true Turkey isnt even a secular society, I am not sure what it would be classified as
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How about banning religious headscarves in France, isn't that also against the rules of secularism? That would also make France an "unclassified" country as well...
 

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