KUFR THOUGHTS, how to get rid of them? :'(

^LOL! in the lecture i was talking about the SHEIKH said shirk and he said 'whats shirk, no i didnt say shrek, i said shirk'

:hiding: sorry off topic...
 
Assalamualaikumu

this is the better question of many

often it is seeking money which causes kafr thoughts

the explaination is embedded within Chinese culture; and the story of the cultural revolution is that resolution which the Chinese find in a sort of Jihad of non-believers who try to fault believers and find that they can not.

The Chinese whom are wrongly accused by non-believers (and it often has been that non-believers have successfully accused Chinese believers of kafr when they could not of any other thing) are enormously resilient. They can accomodate entire mountains of pain in their psychology.

The Chinese eventually arrive at the solution of counter accusing the non-belivers; but rather than a counter accusation with non-belief; a counter accusation of "if you want to believe in forever then in Allah you are to be accepted only if your forever into the future includes forever was the ill of the past yours also"; in that counter a believer is rescued by Allah, but a non-believer is in the definition of not believing, only thereby becoming responsible for every ill of the past:- that is, if they want forever to be real. That way the kafir are less difficult; and less kafr is stirred.

So the solution to avoiding kafr is to trust that fear of forever to Allah/ even if you are not yet able to be certain, know Allah is. It is the blessed thing to know that the thing you most fear is the resolution into nothing to fear. Alcoholics Anonymous call it "rock bottom". There are very many ways in many cultures of accepting that most difficult of all du'a. Allah grant that Humanity is freed of any kafr.

Meanwhile try the simplicity of never knowing what any other persons fault could be within not knowing even the accountiblity of your own faults. Just pray and commit to accepting what the account is in Allah even when it is not known. Then it is easier to always assume the best intentions.

Many folk in modern societies are socially pushed into considering it unwise, or ill-educated, or lacking in means, to just be like a child in assuming justice is. Why not try believing fully in innocent until proven guilty? That usually is effective.

Also whenever you catch yourself in kafr then make du'a to prevent any shaytan whom might have supposed to be taking advantage of forcing your mind into kafr; if they force your mind then you can not uncreate what they have caused; but you can notice that it was not what you wanted and thereby if you make du'a you become a shaytan catcher since they learn what not to do when Humans make du'a.

I hope that helps. Also learning the imagery of Animist cutlural belief always helps because then the shaytan can't make money from forcing you into kafr; since the result is not profitable to them. When a common kafr attaches to specific imagery of an animal then any harm from is connected back to the processes of mother nature, and proper management of the Earth's atmosphere.

mu'assalam
 
Curaezipirid said:
Assalamualaikumu

this is the better question of many

often it is seeking money which causes kafr thoughts

the explaination is embedded within Chinese culture; and the story of the cultural revolution is that resolution which the Chinese find in a sort of Jihad of non-believers who try to fault believers and find that they can not.

The Chinese whom are wrongly accused by non-believers (and it often has been that non-believers have successfully accused Chinese believers of kafr when they could not of any other thing) are enormously resilient. They can accomodate entire mountains of pain in their psychology.

The Chinese eventually arrive at the solution of counter accusing the non-belivers; but rather than a counter accusation with non-belief; a counter accusation of "if you want to believe in forever then in Allah you are to be accepted only if your forever into the future includes forever was the ill of the past yours also"; in that counter a believer is rescued by Allah, but a non-believer is in the definition of not believing, only thereby becoming responsible for every ill of the past:- that is, if they want forever to be real. That way the kafir are less difficult; and less kafr is stirred.

So the solution to avoiding kafr is to trust that fear of forever to Allah/ even if you are not yet able to be certain, know Allah is. It is the blessed thing to know that the thing you most fear is the resolution into nothing to fear. Alcoholics Anonymous call it "rock bottom". There are very many ways in many cultures of accepting that most difficult of all du'a. Allah grant that Humanity is freed of any kafr.

Meanwhile try the simplicity of never knowing what any other persons fault could be within not knowing even the accountiblity of your own faults. Just pray and commit to accepting what the account is in Allah even when it is not known. Then it is easier to always assume the best intentions.

Many folk in modern societies are socially pushed into considering it unwise, or ill-educated, or lacking in means, to just be like a child in assuming justice is. Why not try believing fully in innocent until proven guilty? That usually is effective.

Also whenever you catch yourself in kafr then make du'a to prevent any shaytan whom might have supposed to be taking advantage of forcing your mind into kafr; if they force your mind then you can not uncreate what they have caused; but you can notice that it was not what you wanted and thereby if you make du'a you become a shaytan catcher since they learn what not to do when Humans make du'a.

I hope that helps. Also learning the imagery of Animist cutlural belief always helps because then the shaytan can't make money from forcing you into kafr; since the result is not profitable to them. When a common kafr attaches to specific imagery of an animal then any harm from is connected back to the processes of mother nature, and proper management of the Earth's atmosphere.

mu'assalam
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salams sis, lol i only kind of understood the bit on bold.

But mashalah you're way too philosophical.... can you pls simplify wat you're trying to say for me :X

no offense intended!

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Dear Brothers and Sisters,
I also have this problem first thing dont be panic be relaxed ask dua to ALLAH then mindfullness is the best solution for this kind of thoughts do some meditation just for 10minutes do in this way in your meditation that thoughts regarding ALLAH and Prophets those bad thoughts will not come up in my mind its all over like this you just tell to yourself little by little you will get controll over it do you know i suffered like 13 years of this thoughts. Just be cool and calm keep your prayers steadfast and read quran with meaning. Inshallah you will be cured.
This is called OCD (Obssession compulsive disorder) another name given by scientists they say this occurs becos of neurons in the brain transmission is affected around 2% of the world population has this in various ways. You can tackle this thoughts through Conginative behaviour exercise you can see lots of things through net which will be helpful for you to controll or eradicate this thoughts. Like Yoga and Meditation which will be more helpful.
 
:sl: brothers and sisters

13 years of this thoughts.
im about to go crazy and i've been suffering wodoo/wiswaas/prayer for only a few months. I don't know what i complain about sometimes.


p.s im not the original anon poster.

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i belive one of the methods to get rid off the Kufir thoughts is Fear. Fear of Allah (SW) and his punishments.
 
Anonymous Tester said:
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for obvious reasons i prefer to complain anonymously regarding this thread.

http://www.islamicboard.com/basics-islam/30718-nature-faith-iman.html

personally i suffer from that alot



Issue is, EXTREMELY ugly and haram thoughts and phrases pass by my mind, even regarding Allah SWT :cry: things that would render someone an apostate if they said them verbally.

My worry is, these thoughts are becoming so frequent that I can't even tell whether i'm inducing these thoughts or whehter its purely shaytan's interference :cry: . Not that these thoughts are due to doubts existing in me, i totally reject them, but they just keep occurring to me even though i dont feel even the slightest inclination to them.

I really hate to mention details, but sometiems shaytan makes me imagine myself uttering words against Allah and his prophet, when i get these thoughts hit I immediately follow it by seeking refuge from shaytan, and seriously the only way i get rid of the thoguhts is by shaking my head (physically) till the thoguht gets out of me. But sometimes i get flash backs and it's as if i'm saying it to myself and i don't know if that was intentional or was it shaytan whispering those thoughts to me.

I think this has been happening to me for over two years now. And i'm really suffering, but i'm really worried maybe because its my nafs that's seriously trying to play 'ill dare myself to say that n then seriously regret it'.

I must add, I TOTALLY REJECT THESE THOUGHTS, i love Allah and his messenger. But i don't know how to stop remembering these terrible things :cry: :cry:

Does the hadiths refer to such things? like recalling (without will) these incidents and it almost feels as if ur saying those phrases to yourself?? but then u really regret it and keep saying istighfar and seeking refuge from Allah?

please help :(
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this happens 2 me alot & i now tend to get rid of them by doing more zikr of Allah (s.w.t) n fear of the consequences in both worlds
 
Allah-creation said:
i belive one of the methods to get rid off the Kufir thoughts is Fear. Fear of Allah (SW) and his punishments.
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It isnt lack of fear, subhanallah if anything it increases my Fear of Allah everytime I get an evil thought. Lately it's getting worse and I keep thinking that perhaps it isnt shaytan... maybe its my own subconscious.....
I dont know....
ive been talking to myself alot lately, everytime I get such a thought I try to distract myself and start talking loudly to myself, people around me are getting pretty worried. I've read all there is to read about waswas, its just you cant help but feel like an ungrateful creature when you harbour such thoughts against your Creator. I feel Allah cannot have mercy on me imsad

im surprised so many people go through this, I didnt want to talk about it but last night I hardly slept because of guilt, I can barely look at the screen right now... I guess the only defence mechanism against these thoughts is to read and live the Quran.
 
Hawa said:
It isnt lack of fear, subhanallah if anything it increases my Fear of Allah everytime I get an evil thought. Lately it's getting worse and I keep thinking that perhaps it isnt shaytan... maybe its my own subconscious.....
I dont know....
ive been talking to myself alot lately, everytime I get such a thought I try to distract myself and start talking loudly to myself, people around me are getting pretty worried. I've read all there is to read about waswas, its just you cant help but feel like an ungrateful creature when you harbour such thoughts against your Creator. I feel Allah cannot have mercy on me imsad

im surprised so many people go through this, I didnt want to talk about it but last night I hardly slept because of guilt, I can barely look at the screen right now... I guess the only defence mechanism against these thoughts is to read and live the Quran.
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:sl: brothers and sisters
try distracting yourself. like take up an activity. such as, a course or something. and dont let shaytan tell you its your subconsious, think of this ayah:

"Then set your face upright for religion in the right state-- the nature made by Allah in which He has made men; there is no altering of Allah's creation; that is the right religion, but most people do not know--" 30,30.

hope that helps. PM me if you need futher help. i was the other anon.

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Salams
sis just keep reminding yourself that shaythans plot is weak and dont let these thoughts affect your deen. Also recite surat Baqrah and there is an excellent lecture by Riyadulhaq about siatanic whispers,which will also help you.
 
:sl: brothers and sisters
jazakallahu khair for that advice annie. im not the original poster, but there were things in there that inshallah, can he;lp me (suffering form a different type of wiswas)

:sl: brothers and sisters
 
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I'm the original poster, alhamdulialh its been almost a month and a bit more and i havn't had any of these thoughts occurring to me anymore, i'm soo pleased alhamdulilah :)

i dont know how exaclty i stopped it, but Alhamdulilah!

Jazakum Allah khayr so much for your help!

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you need to relax...Most of the time, these things happen because you think too much about these things. If you are constantly worried about having these thoughts, then you WILL have these thoughts. For example, try telling yourself not to think of a zebra, you won't be able to stop thinking about it. Just chill, busy your mind with things, sports, studies etc.
 
mpk said:
you need to relax...Most of the time, these things happen because you think too much about these things. If you are constantly worried about having these thoughts, then you WILL have these thoughts. For example, try telling yourself not to think of a zebra, you won't be able to stop thinking about it. Just chill, busy your mind with things, sports, studies etc.
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:sl:
I think what helps is if you make istighfaar alot. Trying to focus on something else sometimes actually makes it worse.... :X i been thru this.

:w:
 
^ ya not surprising, istighfar is always helpful in erasing sins and causing Allah to accept your dua to drive away those sorta thoughts.

all the best
salamz :)
 
LOL, I think nearly everyone has this kind of thought's, it is when it becomes to much it may be seen a problem. I guess first thing is to do is to ignore much as possible, and keep yourdelf in learning the deen.

It effects people especially during going to sleep, Prayers (salat), and when one becomes distressed or depressed.
 
Assalaamu alaykum..hey ukhti(im assuming ur a sister?)i hope ur well inshaallah.. i am a sister and im new to the forum, I wanted to let u know that i have been through the same situation as you and i am still suffering from these evil whisperings, it has been over 2 years for me too. Inshaallah if you ever want to talk to me in private please do not hesitate, it would be nice to be able to talk about this problem to someone who is experiencing the same thing and maybe we could offer some advice to eachother to help us over come this problem. Inshaallah if you ever want to talk to me in private about this issue then please do not hesitate (only if ur a sister :sunny:) if you want my email address inshaallah i can provide you with that and you can contact me via email inshaallah. hope to hear from you soon inshaallah.

Wassalaamu alaykum
 

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