Let us find on what Islam and Christianity agree.

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Do the Bible(KJV) and Quran agree mostly (on faith and morals, not history)?

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Grace Seeker said:
No. ... as long as both groups believe that they exclusively have THE TRUTH and that all others are in error, and then that belief is coupled with a strong desire to prosleytize and to do so with intolerance of others that are different, there is going to be conflict between the two.
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Well said, GraceSeeker!
 
Why try to close the only attempt to bring understanding of the very things that unite us? It is time that those that have faith to combine in this world against the apathy of disbelief, the lies of atheism and the falsehood of materialism. The central message of both Islam and Christianity is that God has laid down a code by which we are to live...and by following that code we draw closer to Him that built the universe. Now the minutae of these codes may differ but in essence they say the same thing about respecting each other, respecting life, honouring God and His laws, repenting of our sin and seeking forgiveness for past errors and trying to lead new lives based upon His codes of morals, expectations and law.

So come on let us instead of seeking to close down this thread spread our wings of faith and explore each others faith and find that the same God talks to us both...well He would wouldn't He...seeing as there is only one God revealed through his messengers and prophets.
 
David Gould said:
Why try to close the only attempt to bring understanding of the very things that unite us? It is time that those that have faith to combine in this world against the apathy of disbelief, the lies of atheism and the falsehood of materialism. The central message of both Islam and Christianity is that God has laid down a code by which we are to live...and by following that code we draw closer to Him that built the universe. Now the minutae of these codes may differ but in essence they say the same thing about respecting each other, respecting life, honouring God and His laws, repenting of our sin and seeking forgiveness for past errors and trying to lead new lives based upon His codes of morals, expectations and law.

So come on let us instead of seeking to close down this thread spread our wings of faith and explore each others faith and find that the same God talks to us both...well He would wouldn't He...seeing as there is only one God revealed through his messengers and prophets.
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Salam David, I agree very much with what you said.:thumbs_up:thumbs_up
 
Fine then at least make your contributions in list form. I prefer to keep things simple so they dont end up in difficulties later on....give me a bit and i will put up an updated list.
 
1. Jesus is in both the Quran and the Bible.
2. Jesus was born of a virgin (Mary
3. we should look after and care for weaker members of society
4. need to worship God
5. justice for the poor and oppressed, giving our time and money to help others.
6. Treating our neighbour as we want to be treated ourselves.
7. There is one God.
8. We are all created by the same God and we should care about all of God’s creation.
9. Jesus will return on the last day.
10. Jesus the son of Mary was a Messenger of Allah and His word
11. God is the most just. Since God is just, He won't do anything unjust
12. Adam was the first man.
13. Forgiveness of those who wrong you is highly desirable.
14. One who forgives receives great reward.
15. Vengeance belongs to God.
16. Abraham offered his son for sacrifice.
17. God is ALMIGHTY and created EVERYTHING.
18. There is an afterlife.
19. Jesus was alive when He ascended to heaven.
20. Jesus performed miracles.
21. Isa (Jesus) is Allah's Word in both Islam and Christianity.
22. We are called to live a life that submitts to God's righteousness (i.e. his sovereignty and Lordship) rather than seeking after our own wants and desires in life.

23. That despite a life of obedience to God's call to do good works, one still only makes it to heaven/paradise by virtue of God's grace and not our own merit which, no matter how good, falls short of God's standard for His righteousness.

24. Jesus is the Messiah
25. Jesus has the ability to give life to whomever Allah / God Pleases

I dont know that anyone has come up any other items for the list on which there is consensus. David, I like the points you have brought up:), but i am not sure how they can be enumerated seperate from one another :-[(perhaps my editing skills are less than adequate for the taskimsad).

I really dont want to close the thread to be quite honest:)...i just dont want it to get off topic or run away from the main point.:) Simply stated concepts that are common to Islam and Christianity seem to me an easy way to keep the communication flowing without the trap of semantics getting in the way. :)
 
Abhrham, Moses and Noah pbut were Great prophets.
 
Zafran said:
Abhrham, Moses and Noah pbut were Great prophets.
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While God no doubt spoke to them, Christians don't generally include either Abraham or Noah in the list of Prophets as they aren't seen as having a message that was meant to be delivered to other people.
 
Grace Seeker said:
While God no doubt spoke to them, Christians don't generally include either Abraham or Noah in the list of Prophets as they aren't seen as having a message that was meant to be delivered to other people.
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What is the requirement for Prophethood in Christianity?
 
rpwelton said:
What is the requirement for Prophethood in Christianity?
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Good question. Not sure that I can answer that, for I'm not sure that we have an agreed upon standard. You see, it isn't a question we ask much among ourselves.

The New Westminster Dictionary of the Bible has a 3 1/2 page article under the heading "prophet". It's opening sentence, presumably defining the term, reads thusly:
An authoritative teacher of God's will; cf. the expression, "Thus saith the Lord."
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Elsewhere in the article it states:
Speaking of the order of prophets, God promised to raise them up from among the chosen people, qualify them by putting his words into their mouths, enable them to speak all that he commanded them, and maintain the authority of his word which they should speak (Deut. 18:18-19). Every prophet of God, and preeminently Christ, was like Moses (Deut. 18:18; Acts 3:22-23), in similarity of enduement, of doctrine, of attitude toward the law, of didactic work.....

Words are given to the prophet by God, and the prophet cannot resist the Spirit (Jer. 20:7-9; Amos 3:3-8, cf. Balaam, Num. chs. 22 to 24). The words are sent by his Spirit to the prophets, are given to be taught to the people, and have been accredited in the past by their fulfillment (Zech. 1:6; 7:12; also Neh. 9:30). The prophets did not inherit the office, nor receive it by human appointment, but were chosen, prepared, and called of God....

The English word is derived from the Gr. prophetes. In classical Greek, mantis is the ecstatic announcer of oracles, and prophetes is their sober-minded interpreter, who makes the dreams, visions, or enigmatic utterances of the frenzied mantis intelligible. The prophetes, accordingly, is not a predictor, but one who speaks forth that which he has received from the divine Spirit. The prefix pro is not temporal. The prophet speaks for, or in behalf of, another; he is the mouthpiece of the spokesperson of God. He is a forthteller rather than a foretellr.

The Hebrew word nabi, which is translated "prophet," means one who announces. It seems also to have been used in a comprehensive sense. In the Hebrew Scriptures Abraham is called a prophet* (Gen. 20:7). Between him and God there was a direct personal intercourse, with him was the secret of the Lord, to him God revealed himself and his purposes, he was able to teach his descendants the true knowledge of God, and he had power of intercession with God.... The nabi, or propeht, was a person qualified by God to be his spokesman to men. And this is the fundamental idea which underlies the term as used in Deut. 18:18. The prophet was a part of his environment, used the language of his time, and prophesied in the contemporary historical situation.
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Other things mentioned in the article include possessing prophet vision (being a seer), having a ministry of teaching, being an ambassador of God to the people, to make known the secret counsel of God, and to announce God's purposes.



*Which shows just how little "prophethood," as an office, is discussed among Christians that I didn't even remember this verse. When I think of prophets, I think of the books of the prophets that are found in the scriptures:Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah, and Malachi. And then there are some others beyond that whose lives and ministries are recorded elsewhere in the scriptures, people like: Elijah, Elisha, Balaam, Samuel, Nathan, and John the Baptist. But there are many others: not just Moses, but also his sister Miriam, Joseph (Jacob's son), and others like Abraham who were in fact prophets, but that I think of primarily in other ways.

Because the basic idea behind being a prophet is one who speaks forth on God's behalf, Christians generally do not believe that prophethood is something that past. The NT spoke of there continuing to be prophets as a gift to the church, and many a Christian preacher probably sees themselves in someway being utilized by God in this way every time he/she stands in the pulpit. Though that would not imply that they all see themselves as speaking free from error.
 
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Grace Seeker,

Ok, if you do not agree that Abhraham, Moses and Noah were prophets. then what would you say they are...Messengers or Men of God (what would you mean by that anyhow?) or what?
 
Grace Seeker said:
Good question. Not sure that I can answer that, for I'm not sure that we have an agreed upon standard. You see, it isn't a question we ask much among ourselves.

Because the basic idea behind being a prophet is one who speaks forth on God's behalf, Christians generally do not believe that prophethood is something that past. The NT spoke of there continuing to be prophets as a gift to the church, and many a Christian preacher probably sees themselves in someway being utilized by God in this way every time he/she stands in the pulpit. Though that would not imply that they all see themselves as speaking free from error.
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What are the qualifications for a modern day prophet? I would assume he would have to bring some sort of miracles. Are there actually examples of this in Christian history (or even modern history)?
 
Can I ask that we take the discussion on prophets to a new thread?
It's very interesting, but it doesn't seem to belong into this thread ... Perhaps the mods can create a new thread and move the relevant posts?

Thank you :)
 
glo said:
Can I ask that we take the discussion on prophets to a new thread?
It's very interesting, but it doesn't seem to belong into this thread ... Perhaps the mods can create a new thread and move the relevant posts?

Thank you :)
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I was thinking the same thing. A new thread would be great!
 
love_quran said:
Grace Seeker,

Ok, if you do not agree that Abhraham, Moses and Noah were prophets. then what would you say they are...Messengers or Men of God (what would you mean by that anyhow?) or what?
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I didn't say I disagreed. I just said that Christians don't generally include them in the lists of prophets. Actually I would agree that Abraham and Moses are prophets. But not Noah. Noah was just a righteous man of God and that is all that we really know to say about him. Anything else would require reading into the text -- which plenty of people (Christians and non-Christian alike) have done over the years, but that doesn't mean that we too should continue to do so ourselves.
 
Grace Seeker said:
I didn't say I disagreed. I just said that Christians don't generally include them in the lists of prophets. Actually I would agree that Abraham and Moses are prophets. But not Noah. Noah was just a righteous man of God and that is all that we really know to say about him. Anything else would require reading into the text -- which plenty of people (Christians and non-Christian alike) have done over the years, but that doesn't mean that we too should continue to do so ourselves.
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Ahh, thank you. Now i understand your meaning :)
 
Al-Salam Alaykum!

But God(swt) has spoke to Noah(puh) and revealed him his plan isn't it? thats why Nuh(puh) prepared the ship and warned his poeple about the great flood???
 
Basit said:
Al-Salam Alaykum!

But God(swt) has spoke to Noah(puh) and revealed him his plan isn't it? thats why Nuh(puh) prepared the ship and warned his poeple about the great flood???
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God revealed his plan to Noah, but no where in the Bible does it say that God asked Noah to warn the people about the coming flood nor does it appear therein that Noah ever attempted to do so on his own. He just built the boat, got the designated animals and his family on board. And God shut the door. Then the rains fell.

In fact, according to Genesis, it was God's intent to destroy the people, so O would suspect that at least in the Biblical version of this event that it is most likely that there was neither effort nor desire to warn the people of their coming destruction. So, no need for Noah to be a prophet if he has no message for anyone in this telling of the story.
 
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