Let's call God Allah

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So? Whats your point? Jesus also wasnt called Isa for example, because He was called Yeshua from arameic. So should all muslims now call Jesus as Yeshua? :?

Aaron, the names of Jesus(AS) to my understanding is given below, please correct me if I am wrong:

[PIE]The word "`EESA" (AS) in the Qur'an comes from "`EESHO" (AS) in Aramaic, a language which predates Hebrew by several hundred years and never had any etymological ties with the Hebrew derivative "YESHUA" (AS) or even the word "E'SAU" (AS)

Since the language Jesus (pbuh) spoke and taught was Aramaic, the Qur'an have accurately taken his name in Aramaic and not the Hebrew derivative, "YESHUA" (AS)[/PIE]

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from what I have learned that is wrong, and that grammatically shorten al-ilah to Allah doesn't even make sense...

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You could be right. I got the Info regarding "Al-Ilah" from here:

http://www.artbismillah.org/html/_allah_.html

To my understanding Jesus spole Aramaic, and God in Aramaic means Alaha:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaha
 
Christians should call God "God" in their language. If they speak Arabic, call Him Allah. If they aren't arabic speakers, then calling God "Allah" is an expression of agreement with the Muslim concept of God, hence an implicit denial of Christian truth. This should not be taken as a slam against Muslims, we just all need to agree that we don't agree and deal with it. As a Catholic, I feel the Bishops comments were a misguided attempt to get along with Muslims, he needs to be reprimanded.

lol.. some of this is in order then

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peace!
 
Great Article glo.. here are the 99 names of Allah... Though Allah SWT has 100 names, most if not all don't know what the one hundredth name is, but we may certainly invoke him using any of the ones we do know---
peace!
Ninty Nine Names Of Allah

al-Rehman The Gracious
al-Raheem The Merciful
al-Malik The Sovereign
al-Quddus The Holy
as-Salam The Source of Peace
al-Mumin The Gaurdian of the Faith
al-Mohaymin The Protector
al-Azeez The Mighty
al-Jabbar The Compeller
al-Mutakabbir The Majestic
al-Khaliq The Creator
al-Bari The Originator
al-Musawwir The Fashioner
al-Ghaffar The Forgiver
al-Qahhar The Subduer
al-Wahhab The Bestower
al-Razzaq The Provider
al-Fattah The Opener
al-Aleem The Knowing
al-Qabidh The Constrictor
al-Basit The Expander
al-Khafidh The Abaser
ar-Rafay The Exalter
al-Mu'izz The Honourer
al-Muzill The Abaser
as-Samee The All-Hearing
al-Baseer The All-Seeing
al-Hakam The Judge
al-Adl The Just
al-Lateef The Subtle One
al-Khabeer The Knowing
al-Haleem The Forbearing
al-Azeem TheGreat
al-Ghafur The All-Forgiving
ash-Shakur The Appreciator
al-Ali The High
al-Kabeer The Great
al-Hafeez Preserver
al-Muqeet The Sustainer
al-Haseeb The Reckoner
al-Jaleel The Sublime
al-Kareem Generous
ar-Raqeeb The Watchful
al-Mujeeb The Responser
al-Wassay The All-Embracing
al-Hakeem The Wise
al-Wadud The Loving
al-Mujeed The Glorious
al-Baaith The Resurrector
ash-Shaheed The Witness
Names Meanings


al-Haqq The True
al-Wakeel The Trustee
al-Qawi The Strong
al-Mateen The Firm
al-Walee The Friend
al-Hameed Praisworthy
al-Muhsi The Reckoner
al-Mubdi The Originator
al-Mu'id The Restorer
al-Muhyi The Giver of Life
al-Mumeet The Giver of Death
al-Hayee The Living
al-Qayyum The Self Subsisting
al-Wajid Finder
al-Majid The Noble
al-Wahid The Unique
as-Samad The Eternal
al-Qadir The Powerful
al-Muqtadir The Powerful
al-Muqaddim The Expediter
al-Mu'akhir The Postponer
al-Awwal The First
al-Akhir The Last
al-Zahir The Manifest
al-Batin The Hidden
al-Waalee The Governor
al-Muta'li The Most Exalted
al-Barr The Benign
al-Tawwab The Oft Returning
al-Muntaqim The Avenger
al-Afu Pardoner
ar-Rauf The Compassionate
Malikul-Mulk The Owner of Sovereignty
Dhul-Jalal-wal-Ikram The Lord of Majisty and Bounty
al-Jame The Gatherer
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al-Ghanee The Self Sufficient
al-Mughani The Enricher
al-Mani The Preventer
al-Nafi The Propitious
an-Noor The Light
al-Hadi The Guide
al-Badi' The Incomparable
al-Muqsit The Just
al-Dhar The Distresser
al-Baqi The Everlasting
al-Warith Inheritor
ar-Rasheed The Guide to the Right Path
as-Sabur The Patient

You left one name out. Jesus:-)
 
You left one name out. Jesus:-)

I find that to be an interesting observation. Perhaps it is because of what the name Jesus(as) means or more specifiacally the name it was derived from means. Jesus(as) is a fairly recent English name that came about at the time of the second printing of the KJV. It does not appear in the first printing.

The name is believed to be an Anglicized version of the Arabic/Aramaic Isa or the Hebrew Yeshua.

JESUS

The word Jesus is the Latin form of the Greek Iesous, which in turn is the transliteration of the Hebrew Jeshua, or Joshua, or again Jehoshua, meaning "Jehovah is salvation." Though the name in one form or another occurs frequently in the Old Testament, it was not borne by a person of prominence between the time of Josue, the son of Nun and Josue, the high priest in the days of Zorobabel. It was also the name of the author of Ecclesiaticus, of one of Christ's ancestors mentioned in the genealogy, found in the Third Gospel (Luke 3:29), and one of the St. Paul's companions (Colossians 4:11). During the Hellenizing period, Jason, a purely Greek analogon of Jesus, appears to have been adopted by many (1 Maccabees 8:17; 12:16; 14:22; 2 Maccabees 1:7; 2:24; 4:7-26; 5:5-10; Acts 17:5-9; Romans 16:21). The Greek name is connected with verb iasthai, to heal; it is therefore, not surprising that some of the Greek Fathers allied the word Jesus with same root (Eusebius, "Dem. Ev.", IV; cf. Acts 9:34; 10:38). Though about the time of Christ the name Jesus appears to have been fairly common (Josephus, "Ant.", XV, ix, 2; XVII, xiii, 1; XX, ix, 1; "Bel. Jud.", III, ix, 7; IV, iii, 9; VI, v, 5; "Vit.", 22) it was imposed on our Lord by God's express order (Luke 1:31; Matthew 1:21), to foreshow that the Child was destined to "save his people from their sins." Philo ("De Mutt. Nom.", 21) is therefore, right when he explains Iesous as meaning soteria kyrion; Eusebius (Dem., Ev., IV, ad fin.; P.G., XXII, 333) gives the meaning Theou soterion; while St. Cyril of Jerusalem interprets the word as equivalent to soter (Cat., x, 13; P.G., XXXIII, 677). This last writer, however, appears to agree with Clement of Alexandria in considering the word Iesous as of Greek origin (Paedag., III, xii; P.G., VIII, 677); St. Chrysostom emphasizes again the Hebrew derivation of the word and its meaning soter (Hom., ii, 2), thus agreeing with the exegesis of the angel speaking to St. Joseph (Matthew 1:21).


Source: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08374x.htm

The above article is not fully correct as it is using the letter J in some of the Hebrew names.


But the article will suffice to show that the name was common and it was an aknowlegement that God(swt) saves (ie forgives sins) It is more of a verb than a noun so it is really not even fitting as a Name, it is an exclamation.

So in the 99 names we do have the name al-Ghaffar (The forgiver)

Jesus(as) would be an appropriate exclamation to make if some body were to tell you that God(swt) forgives sins. But, it is not an appropriate name for then one who forgives sins.

I find it quite interesting that Jesus'(as) own name is a proclamation that Allah(swt) alone forgives sins and does not say Jesus'(as) forgives sins.
 
How come your discriminating against the Father and Holy Spirit? :?

Hello Malaikah. No discrimination, only that Jesus seems to get all the attention. If muslims object to the Deity of Jesus, they must also object to the Deity of the Holy Spirit. I guess it's a given that muslims accept the Deity of the Father.

FATHER
. .
. ONE .
. GOD .
SON . . . . SPIRIT

Peace
 
Hello Malaikah. No discrimination, only that Jesus seems to get all the attention. If muslims object to the Deity of Jesus, they must also object to the Deity of the Holy Spirit. I guess it's a given that muslims accept the Deity of the Father.

FATHER
. .
. ONE .
. GOD .
SON . . . . SPIRIT

Peace

Ooops! Couldn't figure out how to attach:-)
 
It wouldn't fit with christian persepective of God because Allah means, ONE without GENDER or PLURAL this is the proper name of Allah because it separates Him from His creation as none is totally one or genderless , but Christians today worship 3, (thats two too many) two of whom are a man and a woman( as some worship Mary(as)).

this might however make it easier for us to connect to them and show them.

and Allah knows Best.
 
It wouldn't fit with christian persepective of God because Allah means, ONE without GENDER or PLURAL this is the proper name of Allah because it separates Him from His creation as none is totally one or genderless , but Christians today worship 3, (thats two too many) two of whom are a man and a woman( as some worship Mary(as)).

this might however make it easier for us to connect to them and show them.

and Allah knows Best.


We worship one God. When we worship Jesusm, we are worshipping the very same one God that we are when we worship the Father. And when we worship the Father we are worshipping the very same one God that we are when we worship the Holy Spirit. And when we worship the Holy Spirit, we are worshipping the very same one God that we are when we worship the Son (also known as Jesus).

And though Mary is often called the Mother of God (a phrase I personally wish was not used), it is not meant to confer any aspect of diety on her, but merely to recognize that she is Jesus' mother and that Jesus is God. And while I agree that what some Catholics do in giving honor to Mary looks periliously similar to worship, on closer examination I find out that it is not worship.

As a non-Catholic I may not understand it all, but I am willing to accept the word of my Catholic brothers and sisters that they do NOT worship Mary. Though I understand that you are not a Christian and thus may not fully understand what I mean when I say that we Christians do not worship but one God even as we worship that one God in three persons, perhaps just as I am willing to take the word of my Catholic brothers with regard to their practice of their faith, might you be willing to accept what I say as the truth with regard to our practice of our Christian faith.



Glo, as far as the topic of this thread. I would have no problem using the term "Allah" to refer to God in an Arabic speaking country, but it would seem ridiculous to do so in countries that do not. And even in Arabic speaking countries, might it be more offensive to Muslims than using another term. Consider post to which I have already responded. If I was using the term Allah for God, then I would have to say that Jesus is Allah. That Allah exists as one being in three persons. That Jesus is the son of Allah. This might cause more problems than it solves.
 
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as far as i know before the bible was translated out of its original dialog jesus (as) or esa as we know him never claimed anytime he was allahs son (tobah) and rather said he was a follower aswell he never said he was the one who cured leppers etc, however it was allah who had done it.
 
dont get me wrong but i find christianity such an idolitory religion
 
this is my thought:
"God doesn't mind what he is called. God is above such "discussion and bickering".
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I agree with this. i also think that if a god/s exists they are above being worshiped and frankly dont realy care about us.
 
i cant agree with you, God is something which is something the humand mind can not comprehend, something we cant even believe to imagen or understand...its like trying to think of how big outter space is, dark with no beginning and no end, so many galaxies if you really sit and think our mind can not even begin to imagen how something has no beginning and no end like space, same way we cannot comprehend god.

i know he exisit by seeing the beauty of this world, every leaf every drop of rain, mountians and sunrises, or even the smile on a babies face. this is all what god has created, we should be thankful whether allah has asked us to or not we should thank him for every breath he has given to us. and you cannot understand what compassion is to god, we are merly humands but tiny specs if that in this universe...
 

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